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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:46 AM
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38. My 10th amendment argument would be
That since Insurance Companies are state related corporations and they all have state subsidiaries they set up to operate in each state, that there is no interstate commerce to regulate. The only way this tax could fit the 10th amendment is if you can show an impact on interstate commerce

The 4th amendment is this can be determined to be an unreasonable seizure. People citing the examples of things like Auto Insurance fail to understand the auto insurance mandate for what it is. It is a condition of having a driver's license and registering an automobile for use on public roads, it is not a mandate as this plan is, as there is no living license. You can own an automobile and not have insurance, when I moved into an inner city 4 years ago for a time I garaged my car and canceled the insurance on it. I lost my plates for a time, but I still owned my car.

I do not see any precedence where private citizens have been required to purchase a product based on the simple fact they are breathing. All other examples of regulation and fining assume someone has agreed to conduct an activity, employing people, operating a power plant, owning a fire arm. This provision there is no actual choice involved. You are alive or you are not.

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  -Article One: Section 9 of the US Constitution ixion  Dec-25-09 10:48 AM   #0 
  - A fine example of Holiday Inn Express lawyering  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 10:52 AM   #1 
  - coming from you...  ixion   Dec-25-09 10:54 AM   #3 
  - Yes I deal in facts and we have seen what you think of those pesky things  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 10:56 AM   #4 
     - hmmm... I post quotes from the US Constitution, you respond with your typical snark  ixion   Dec-25-09 10:59 AM   #5 
     - Sigh, you want the facts? Here you go  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 11:09 AM   #11 
        - *sigh* ... no, this is called an editorial  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:18 AM   #18 
           - No that's called a legal opinion by a lawyer, but you keep on deluding yourself  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 11:36 AM   #30 
              - ah, so you admit it's an opinion piece... thanks, that's all I needed  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:39 AM   #33 
     - You deal in agenda PR and we all know it  havocmom   Dec-25-09 11:04 AM   #7 
        - That sounds like a good description of your destructive agenda  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 11:05 AM   #9 
        - Ah, attack the person with the lack of tact to say what most think  havocmom   Dec-25-09 11:44 AM   #36 
           - yet it was such an appropriate response to your post  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 12:01 PM   #44 
              - LOL, more of same tactic  havocmom   Dec-25-09 12:27 PM   #50 
                 - yeah!!  ixion   Dec-25-09 12:30 PM   #51 
        - Oh an here, just to show you what a fool you made of yourself  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 11:09 AM   #13 
        - spot on, havocmom  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:39 AM   #34 
        - That was my thought at this person's posts in this thread too  Matariki   Dec-25-09 03:42 PM   #59 
  - You have zero credibility on this board.  arcadian   Dec-25-09 12:51 PM   #52 
  - Look who's talkin'!!!  NYC_SKP   Dec-25-09 10:08 PM   #64 
  - So the constitution is actually written in code?  Xicano   Dec-25-09 07:05 PM   #63 
  - People who don't want health care... won't pay for it if they can...  HysteryDiagnosis   Dec-25-09 10:53 AM   #2 
  - The mandate was put in at the request of the insurance companies.  dkf   Dec-25-09 11:02 AM   #6 
  - K & R nt  Obamanaut   Dec-25-09 11:04 AM   #8 
  - You might want to read this  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 11:11 AM   #15 
     - The last paragraph of your own article admits the matter is not settled, to wit:  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:57 AM   #41 
     - There is sentiment from the Right Wing that the  truedelphi   Dec-26-09 12:14 AM   #66 
     - What gives Congress the authority to require individuals to buy  JDPriestly   Dec-25-09 01:33 PM   #54 
  - they'll do it via the income tax code, and it will be constitutional  unblock   Dec-25-09 11:08 AM   #10 
  - I agree with you, unblock.  JDPriestly   Dec-25-09 01:34 PM   #55 
  - I'd point out all the other times you get fined for not doing something  MineralMan   Dec-25-09 11:09 AM   #12 
  - Enjoy your Christmas I got this one MM  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 11:12 AM   #17 
  - well, no you don't  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:22 AM   #22 
  - Thanks!  MineralMan   Dec-25-09 06:58 PM   #62 
  - Give some examples of some fines placed on you by the federal government for just living  JDPriestly   Dec-25-09 01:39 PM   #56 
     - pins dropping....  Matariki   Dec-25-09 03:46 PM   #61 
  - For those that recced this idea  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 11:10 AM   #14 
  - You've posted this editorial three times now  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:20 AM   #19 
     - You need to look up the terms "legal opinion" and "editorial" as you clearly  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 11:38 AM   #32 
     - lol... once again, your snark fails you  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:55 AM   #40 
     - Ah, mystery solved.  havocmom   Dec-25-09 11:45 AM   #37 
        - Are you afraid you are being ripped off by the RNC?  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 12:01 PM   #43 
           - Which kindergarten did that one come from?  havocmom   Dec-25-09 10:28 PM   #65 
  - If that's the case, how, how can there be a mandate to pay  napi21   Dec-25-09 11:11 AM   #16 
  - none of the items you mention are purchases of a product from a private, for-profit company  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:20 AM   #20 
  - Income Tax had an amendment to the constitution  AllentownJake   Dec-25-09 11:35 AM   #29 
  - seems to me you are wrong on both counts  hfojvt   Dec-25-09 11:22 AM   #21 
  - pay the fine, or pay the fine  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:25 AM   #23 
  - because the trial option exists  hfojvt   Dec-25-09 03:21 PM   #57 
     - if everyone is considered guilty,  ixion   Dec-25-09 03:43 PM   #60 
  - Difference is though, we are not paying the government, we are paying private companies  The Straight Story   Dec-25-09 11:27 AM   #24 
  - K & R...good job...well done..thank you :)  winyanstaz   Dec-25-09 11:29 AM   #25 
  - thanks!  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:34 AM   #28 
  - My sister-in-law forwarded something like this yesteday. She got it off Free Republic. 'Nuff said.  apocalypsehow   Dec-25-09 11:32 AM   #26 
  - Yeah sad to see so many right wing memes being pushed at DU  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 11:40 AM   #35 
     - I didn't know the constitution was suddenly Right Wing or Left Wing  AllentownJake   Dec-25-09 11:48 AM   #39 
        - Deliberately misinterpretation certainly has right or left wing motives  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 12:00 PM   #42 
        - Yes and I don't think that clause is the issue  AllentownJake   Dec-25-09 12:02 PM   #45 
           - You might find this article of interest  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 12:08 PM   #46 
              - Translation it is going to the Supreme Court  AllentownJake   Dec-25-09 12:11 PM   #47 
                 - It may or may not make it that far. I am sure there will be politically motivated lawsuits  NJmaverick   Dec-25-09 12:14 PM   #48 
                    - It is an unprecedented expansion of Federal Power  AllentownJake   Dec-25-09 12:19 PM   #49 
        - Pretending the 16th amendment doesn't exist is generally something the right wing does  Hippo_Tron   Dec-26-09 12:34 AM   #68 
  - I think the 10th amendment and the 4th amendment make better arguments  AllentownJake   Dec-25-09 11:33 AM   #27 
  - I agree there, too...  ixion   Dec-25-09 11:38 AM   #31 
     - My 10th amendment argument would be  AllentownJake   Dec-25-09 11:46 AM   #38 
  - Just two of a number of good reasons why the bill can only work  JDPriestly   Dec-25-09 01:26 PM   #53 
  - K&R  Odin2005   Dec-25-09 03:26 PM   #58 
  - +10  amborin   Dec-27-09 01:03 AM   #75 
  - Sure that makes sense, if you completely ignore the 16th amendment  Hippo_Tron   Dec-26-09 12:33 AM   #67 
  - my, how gloriously you support our Great Corporations  ixion   Dec-26-09 04:35 AM   #72 
     - So, I support our corproations because I tore your bogus constitutional argument to shreds?  Hippo_Tron   Dec-26-09 03:15 PM   #74 
        - uh, simply dismissing them is not "tearing them to shreds"  ixion   Dec-27-09 05:51 AM   #76 
           - I refuted your arguments  Hippo_Tron   Dec-27-09 11:00 PM   #77 
  - must read from "after downing street" :  amborin   Dec-26-09 01:26 AM   #69 
  - excellent post  ixion   Dec-26-09 04:36 AM   #73 
  - The mandate is totally unconstitutional. Don't let the naysayers lie that it isn't. nt  earth mom   Dec-26-09 02:26 AM   #70 
  - It's forcing us to enter into private contracts, but coercion voids contracts.  Waiting For Everyman   Dec-26-09 02:47 AM   #71 
  - K&R n/t  amborin   Dec-27-09 11:29 PM   #78 

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