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104. I agree. Especially the way that 'far left' seems to be used in American politics.
It is true that authoritarian leaders who impose an ideology to maintain power for themselves often end up resembling each other - whether the ideology is explicitly right-wing (Fascism), religious (Christianity or Islam) or supposedly left-wing (Communism). However, the commonality is between the authoritarianism of the leaders, not between the ideologies. Once a leader is prepared to oppress his (or more rarely her) people and allow the strong to trample on the weak in the name of their ideology, then their government is fundamentally right-wing, even if it is imposed in the name of a left-wing ideology.

In any case, most people who are described as 'far left' in the American context are anything but. They are centre-left or even centrist by the standards of many other countries. Universal publicly-funded healthcare; a social safety net; opposition to the death penalty - these are not far left; they are policies shared by all mainstream Europaean governments, including those of the centre-right. A Europaean government that does not share these values is considered *far right*.

There is a huge difference between the far left and the far right in terms of ideologies. And that is even when we are considering the two just in terms of general economic and social policies. When the far right's xenophobia, racism, sexism and general intolerance of minorities is put ino the equation - the gap becomes enormous.

However, it is not just anti-leftists who have been pushing this meme on DU. I have on several occasions seen people argue that sometimes far right-wingers are telling 'truths' that others are hiding, or that progressives should join hands with the likes of Ron Paul supporters or even 'teabaggers' to form an anti-elite, anti-establishment movement. This if ever put into practice could be EXTREMELY dangerous, enabling the far right to use a populist image as a bait for encouraging racism and oppression - as happened in the 1930s. Opposing the status quo because you want something better does NOT mean that you have anything in common with those who oppose the status quo because they want something worse!

The far right everywhere are the ultimate enemy of all that is good in the world; and we should NEVER enable them!
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  -ok, I"m sick and tired of people here saying the far left and the far right are equal Lerkfish  Dec-25-09 06:16 AM   #0 
  - I agree.  H2O Man   Dec-25-09 06:18 AM   #1 
  - +1  JonLP24   Dec-26-09 07:27 AM   #106 
  - Correct  quaker bill   Dec-25-09 06:20 AM   #2 
  - And much more powerful  nxylas   Dec-26-09 06:53 AM   #101 
  - The first people to oppose the Iraq war were called "far left"  mcablue   Dec-25-09 06:21 AM   #3 
  - +1  corpseratemedia   Dec-25-09 06:36 AM   #4 
  - Agreed, although it seems to be a DU tradition to characterize those with whom one doesn't agree,  pampango   Dec-25-09 06:40 AM   #5 
  - In another thread I was more than mocked  Cary   Dec-25-09 06:47 AM   #6 
  - equivalent not equavalent.  cornermouse   Dec-25-09 07:06 AM   #8 
  - You totally missed his point  tavalon   Dec-25-09 07:26 AM   #13 
  - Like the "namecalling" thing  Cary   Dec-25-09 07:44 AM   #18 
     - Why not?  cornermouse   Dec-25-09 08:07 AM   #19 
        - Whatever floats my boat is irrelevant  Cary   Dec-25-09 08:26 AM   #22 
           - Of course.  cornermouse   Dec-25-09 08:33 AM   #25 
           - That isn't what I'm saying  Cary   Dec-25-09 08:51 AM   #28 
           - "you people"  Hannah Bell   Dec-25-09 11:16 PM   #67 
  - I saw that and it was awful  tavalon   Dec-25-09 07:23 AM   #10 
  - Of course you were mocked. In the past we ahve had Presidential...  TreasonousBastard   Dec-25-09 07:24 AM   #11 
  - "people who know what they're talking about" - lol. It's these "experts" trying to push through  Hannah Bell   Dec-25-09 11:22 PM   #70 
  - OK, so we'll play Cultural Revolution and send all the...  TreasonousBastard   Dec-26-09 10:04 AM   #121 
  - Underwriting for health insurance is a fundamentally sociopathic thing to do  eridani   Dec-26-09 12:15 AM   #80 
     - Well, maybe it's a dirty job  TicketyBoo   Dec-26-09 09:40 AM   #120 
     - Doctors and lawyers provide actual services  eridani   Dec-26-09 10:55 PM   #128 
        - They are an unfortunate  TicketyBoo   Dec-27-09 10:17 AM   #134 
           - They are not necessary at all if we simply establish that everyone has the right to health care  eridani   Dec-27-09 04:22 PM   #135 
              - The only way  TicketyBoo   Dec-27-09 04:45 PM   #136 
                 - Private insurance could still provide bells and whistles  eridani   Dec-27-09 06:36 PM   #138 
                    - Private insurance  TicketyBoo   Dec-28-09 07:03 AM   #140 
                       - Yes, Medicare for All just makes way too much sense! n/t  eridani   Dec-29-09 01:01 AM   #144 
     - I never worked for a health insurer, but a large part of any...  TreasonousBastard   Dec-26-09 10:10 AM   #122 
        - Simply accept the premise that everyone has the right to health care--  eridani   Dec-26-09 10:56 PM   #129 
  - Two things, one you will like the other you will not.  Bluenorthwest   Dec-25-09 09:18 AM   #29 
  - Where's a link to that thread?  Violet_Crumble   Dec-25-09 04:16 PM   #53 
  - LECTURE  Jax   Dec-26-09 12:46 AM   #84 
  - You're not equating liberalism  otherlander   Dec-26-09 10:58 PM   #130 
  - Philosophically, yes, very different. Tactically? Sometimes quite similar  cali   Dec-25-09 06:57 AM   #7 
  - Singing quite a different tune, aren't you.  cornermouse   Dec-25-09 07:08 AM   #9 
  - say what? I have no frickin' idea what you're trying to say.  cali   Dec-25-09 07:26 AM   #12 
  - I'm merely saying what I've seen.  cornermouse   Dec-25-09 08:31 AM   #23 
  - I noticed the sudden turnaround & the second sudden turnaround too.  Hannah Bell   Dec-25-09 11:25 PM   #72 
  - Cornermouse is saying you're inconsistent  Cary   Dec-25-09 08:31 AM   #24 
  - More like attack mouse, if this thread is any indication  tavalon   Dec-25-09 07:28 AM   #14 
     - I haven't attacked anyone in this thread. I expressed a pov  cali   Dec-25-09 07:34 AM   #15 
  - Ethics aside, nut-right tactics sometimes work  Kurt_and_Hunter   Dec-25-09 08:19 AM   #21 
  - The Futher You Go...  KharmaTrain   Dec-25-09 07:36 AM   #16 
  - You obviously missed threads calling for alliance with the fucking teabaggers....  JTFrog   Dec-25-09 07:39 AM   #17 
  - There is a big difference: Over the last decades the Liberals have  OHdem10   Dec-25-09 08:17 AM   #20 
  - SOME of the Far Left are equal in their intolerance and irrational hatred. BTW you don't speak for  KittyWampus   Dec-25-09 08:45 AM   #26 
  - It's just lazy thinking.  Forkboy   Dec-25-09 08:49 AM   #27 
  - I started a shit-storm the other day that makes precisely this point...  WCGreen   Dec-25-09 09:31 AM   #30 
  - Its not really new though - look at all the left-wing folks who flocked to Ron Paul...  sweetloukillbot   Dec-25-09 12:38 PM   #38 
     - people who flocked to ron paul aren't really lefties / nt...  Ysabel   Dec-27-09 12:31 AM   #131 
  - There is no difference between the FAR left and the FAR right  Retired AF Dem   Dec-25-09 09:40 AM   #31 
  - what an incredibly ignorant statement.  bowens43   Dec-25-09 09:09 PM   #59 
  - Does that apply to the "moderate" health-insurance mandate, too?  Hannah Bell   Dec-25-09 11:26 PM   #73 
  - Who is far left?  Enthusiast   Dec-26-09 06:24 AM   #93 
  - plonk  JVS   Dec-26-09 08:14 AM   #112 
  - I don't mind it.  jgraz   Dec-25-09 09:43 AM   #32 
  - In 1975 I was a middle-of-the-road Democrat.  Le Taz Hot   Dec-25-09 09:44 AM   #33 
  - I've had the opposite happen it seems...  sweetloukillbot   Dec-25-09 12:40 PM   #39 
  - I disagree; BUT I consider "public option" CENTER, not far left.  snot   Dec-25-09 11:02 AM   #34 
  - I've never understood why people are trying to claim that public option is far left  liberal_at_heart   Dec-26-09 12:03 AM   #78 
  - Really?  panzerfaust   Dec-25-09 11:08 AM   #35 
  - Yes, just look at the wide gulf between Obama and Bush....  hansberrym   Dec-25-09 11:54 AM   #36 
  - "Under the radar, Obama pushes for Patriot Act renewal"  Hannah Bell   Dec-25-09 11:34 PM   #75 
  - You are suggesting  Enthusiast   Dec-26-09 06:27 AM   #94 
  - Another example of the wide difference! :-)  hansberrym   Dec-25-09 12:28 PM   #37 
  - K&R.  Vidar   Dec-25-09 12:44 PM   #40 
  - K&R Does a "far left" even really exist in America?  Jamastiene   Dec-25-09 01:03 PM   #41 
  - it's really quite an insane comparison  noiretextatique   Dec-25-09 01:30 PM   #42 
  - Of course it is  Hydra   Dec-25-09 02:06 PM   #44 
  - Thanks for that, it seems that being extremely vocal about your views  JAbuchan08   Dec-25-09 02:24 PM   #46 
  - I think it is a circle rather than a straight line  treestar   Dec-25-09 01:59 PM   #43 
  - If that's true  Hydra   Dec-25-09 02:07 PM   #45 
     - LOL, great point.  JAbuchan08   Dec-25-09 02:25 PM   #47 
     - Where would you get that?  treestar   Dec-25-09 04:11 PM   #51 
        - No, you just made a point by accident and I ran with it  Hydra   Dec-25-09 04:21 PM   #54 
  - What people are noticing in common are activists bases - its got nothing to do with left and right.  Political Heretic   Dec-25-09 02:36 PM   #48 
  - Besides, the spectrum has shifted so far to the right, I don't even know what 'far left' means.  Umbral   Dec-25-09 02:47 PM   #49 
  - The further left you get the more government involvement  treestar   Dec-25-09 04:13 PM   #52 
     - In Britain, "far left" = "moderate socially liberal Tory" n/t  eridani   Dec-26-09 12:19 AM   #82 
  - I wish they'd also get off the 'negativity' horse as well  juno jones   Dec-25-09 02:47 PM   #50 
  - Hehe  Hydra   Dec-25-09 10:21 PM   #64 
  - is it okay then if we just say  hfojvt   Dec-25-09 04:23 PM   #55 
  - K&R.  Greyhound   Dec-25-09 04:55 PM   #56 
  - No argument here.  BrklynLiberal   Dec-25-09 08:03 PM   #57 
  - Everyone wants a PO, those who would kill the bill because it does not have a PO are "FAR LEFT"  krawhitham   Dec-25-09 08:56 PM   #58 
  - Too bad, the far left IS as batshit crazy as the far right  WeDidIt   Dec-25-09 09:13 PM   #60 
  - There was a time where the so called "far left" was just being a Democrat  The Gunslinger   Dec-25-09 09:17 PM   #61 
  - according to fox news, it still it. so it's funny to see the dlc types taking over fox  Hannah Bell   Dec-25-09 11:36 PM   #76 
  - When was that?  Kaleva   Dec-26-09 01:22 AM   #89 
  - Still searching for liberals in America - are there any left?  scentopine   Dec-25-09 09:30 PM   #62 
  - Its just the DLC crowd joining with the GOP to once again work to marginalize  NorthCarolina   Dec-25-09 09:31 PM   #63 
  - yep!  Usrename   Dec-25-09 11:03 PM   #65 
  - makes sense  bridgit   Dec-25-09 11:14 PM   #66 
  - Equal? No, but there are alot of similiarities  JonQ   Dec-25-09 11:19 PM   #68 
  - very true.  parts   Dec-27-09 12:59 AM   #132 
  - They both constantly bash the President.  liquid diamond   Dec-25-09 11:19 PM   #69 
  - If you can't tell left from right, you probably should leave politics to the adults.  jgraz   Dec-25-09 11:23 PM   #71 
  - I can tell them apart alright.  liquid diamond   Dec-26-09 12:51 AM   #85 
  - Advocates of the public option  Enthusiast   Dec-26-09 06:37 AM   #97 
  - But they're mean to the President!!!  JVS   Dec-26-09 08:14 AM   #113 
     - And we know what a wilting little violet he is.  jgraz   Dec-26-09 12:00 PM   #125 
  - Did the far-right vote for this president?  sabrina 1   Dec-26-09 12:25 AM   #83 
     - Another well done, Sabrina. nt  Enthusiast   Dec-26-09 06:39 AM   #98 
     - +1  JVS   Dec-26-09 08:16 AM   #115 
  - I am not afraid to call myself a progressive  liberal_at_heart   Dec-25-09 11:31 PM   #74 
  - They don't need to control your vote  glitch   Dec-25-09 11:58 PM   #77 
  - I blame two things: the idea that both sides of any issue are morally equal  MisterP   Dec-26-09 12:14 AM   #79 
  - Folks are more radcally left than others would have us believe or even acknowledge  inthebrain   Dec-26-09 12:19 AM   #81 
  - They use the same methods in an attempt to achieve their goals.  Kaleva   Dec-26-09 12:54 AM   #86 
  - I think everyone has a gut reaction to support anything that's an "option"  TheWebHead   Dec-26-09 12:56 AM   #87 
  - Well, according to the MSM, Lieberman, Nelson, Baucus, etc., are "MODERATE" Democrats. I guess that  Atticus   Dec-26-09 01:19 AM   #88 
  - Yes, according to the M$M.  Enthusiast   Dec-26-09 06:44 AM   #99 
  - like hamsher? and those saying we ought to ally w/teabaggers  nofurylike   Dec-26-09 01:22 AM   #90 
  - The far right hates socialism, the far left loves socialism. Simple as that.  earth mom   Dec-26-09 02:34 AM   #91 
  - The so-called "far left" is actually the "true left."  Norrin Radd   Dec-26-09 02:46 AM   #92 
  - Codswallop. Jane Hamsher and the assholes at Counterpunch are hardly  cali   Dec-26-09 06:29 AM   #95 
     - I don't consider Counterpunch as 'far left'  LeftishBrit   Dec-26-09 07:27 AM   #107 
     - Nor are they exclusively representative of "Far Left Americans". nt  NorthCarolina   Dec-26-09 07:50 AM   #108 
  - Not equal,  TicketyBoo   Dec-26-09 06:36 AM   #96 
  - Advocates of the public option  Enthusiast   Dec-26-09 06:54 AM   #102 
     - That's not what I said,  TicketyBoo   Dec-26-09 09:27 AM   #119 
        - I've never seen them or  Enthusiast   Dec-26-09 10:37 AM   #123 
           - I don't care to take them off "Ignore"  TicketyBoo   Dec-26-09 10:36 PM   #127 
  - The most salient point is the differing agenda's.... (K&R)  DWilliamsamh   Dec-26-09 06:51 AM   #100 
  - 2 differences:  old mark   Dec-26-09 07:14 AM   #103 
  - I think the far left  TicketyBoo   Dec-27-09 04:52 PM   #137 
  - I agree. Especially the way that 'far left' seems to be used in American politics.  LeftishBrit   Dec-26-09 07:24 AM   #104 
  - definitely not the same BUT  iamthebandfanman   Dec-26-09 07:25 AM   #105 
  - I couldn't agree more, but  tomg   Dec-26-09 08:02 AM   #109 
  - Great post...  LeftishBrit   Dec-26-09 11:28 AM   #124 
  - People should be banned for saying that because...  JVS   Dec-26-09 08:12 AM   #110 
  - You would have gotten more recs had you posted at a time when more people were not around because...  JVS   Dec-26-09 08:13 AM   #111 
  - The term "far left" is the new "liberal", being deliberately used to quiet dissent. It's disgusting  OmmmSweetOmmm   Dec-26-09 08:16 AM   #114 
  - Yes. And the differences re right/left are substantial, despite the want of some to align them  Echo In Light   Dec-26-09 08:19 AM   #116 
     - You said it far more eloquently than I could. Thank you Echo  OmmmSweetOmmm   Dec-26-09 12:03 PM   #126 
  - Not equal in the slightest, the far right get their shit done, the far left argue  Stevenmarc   Dec-26-09 08:25 AM   #117 
  - Since....  Aviation Pro   Dec-26-09 08:28 AM   #118 
  - Who says "far left"? Bill O'Reilly and what other assholes?  Iggo   Dec-27-09 01:02 AM   #133 
  - just take a look around here , sadly  natrat   Dec-28-09 07:10 AM   #141 
  - People usually have a hard time defining...  MellowDem   Dec-27-09 06:43 PM   #139 
  - nt  Shagbark Hickory   Dec-28-09 07:21 AM   #142 
  - It is absurd  blindpig   Dec-28-09 08:16 AM   #143 
  - infiltration  shanti   Dec-29-09 01:05 AM   #145 

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