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Tue Dec-22-09 05:23 PM
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| 74. That's why the repukes are going to fight it no matter what... |
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Harkin essentially said it the other day, it's a "starter house", but it's not really even that. The purpose of this bill, no matter how bad it is, is to establish that people are entitled to health insurance, and that it is the government's responsibility to help them get it. Once you establish that, and if you're future debates use this as a premise, you'll start to see some improvement. Repukes know this, and they do not want this. Besides, Dems are saying "Don't worry about any problems with this bill, we'll fix them later" is essentially telling repukes "Whatever concessions you get to pass this bill, we're going to take away down the road". Why would they ever vote for it?
The problem is, this bill is so weak with respect to the government's role in all of this, I'm not sure it establishes that premise (that it's the governments role to make sure everyone has health coverage). It's not like a starter house, it's like buying the land. You now have a place to build a house if you want to, but you haven't committed to doing that, and it's not a forgone conclusion that you will.
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| -Swallow this bill, we'll improve it later is BULLSHIT! |
nosmokes |
Dec-21-09 08:14 PM |
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They said the same thing...absolutely the SAME thing abou the Patriot Act. n/t |
Poll_Blind |
Dec-21-09 08:15 PM |
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exactly... and now almost ten years later |
ixion |
Dec-21-09 08:19 PM |
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Huh? Who wanted to "improve on" the Patriot Act? |
treestar |
Dec-21-09 09:11 PM |
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Yeah, we GET that you are late to the party |
glitch |
Dec-21-09 09:53 PM |
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Do no HARM - better the status quo then this atrocity - a recipe for enslavement |
debbierlus |
Dec-21-09 11:24 PM |
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The Patriot Act.... |
bvar22 |
Dec-21-09 11:24 PM |
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Great point! They did, indeed... n/t |
Poll_Blind |
Dec-22-09 02:06 PM |
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AND NAFTA!! We Are Such Stupid IDIOTS!! We're Going To Let Them Roll Us |
ChiciB1 |
Dec-22-09 06:51 PM |
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Don't worry, we will refine Nafta later...... |
Yuugal |
Dec-21-09 08:18 PM |
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And they did. They passed the last round of GATT |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-21-09 08:58 PM |
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I cant wait for my pacific rimjob...... nt |
Yuugal |
Dec-21-09 09:01 PM |
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LOL! (n/t) |
whatchamacallit |
Dec-21-09 09:10 PM |
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Har! |
nosmokes |
Dec-22-09 04:21 PM |
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Hey, that's terrible on lots of levels. |
rhett o rick |
Dec-22-09 05:13 PM |
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yep, you said it |
ixion |
Dec-21-09 08:19 PM |
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or course it is bullshit. any idiot with half a brain knows that. |
jonnyblitz |
Dec-21-09 08:19 PM |
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Tom Harkin sheepishly told Rachel Maddow "the Senate has too much on its plate in 2010" to do more. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-21-09 08:24 PM |
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Yep. "we'll improve it later" carries the same weight as "no bill without a public option". k&r |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Dec-21-09 08:26 PM |
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All lies |
peace frog |
Dec-22-09 02:57 PM |
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You'd think after 30 years of them saying such nonsense you'd figure it out |
AllentownJake |
Dec-21-09 08:27 PM |
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Social security is one of the next targets. nt |
PufPuf23 |
Dec-21-09 08:30 PM |
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Well they couldn't privatize it in 2005 |
AllentownJake |
Dec-21-09 08:34 PM |
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Republicans couldn't. |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-21-09 09:55 PM |
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I'm no pollyanna, but I don't think social security will ever be ended |
whathehell |
Dec-22-09 02:25 PM |
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True - when there were actual elections |
JFN1 |
Dec-22-09 04:46 PM |
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Ronnie Raygun touched it, Hard, and he is an American hero. nt |
rhett o rick |
Dec-22-09 05:15 PM |
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He didn't end it. And if he did, he'd be an American Villain. |
whathehell |
Dec-22-09 05:31 PM |
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Noone is stupid enough to "end it". They will just fix it until it kills itself. And Ronnie started |
rhett o rick |
Dec-22-09 05:49 PM |
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"Noone"? |
whathehell |
Dec-23-09 12:16 AM |
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I agree with mr jake. You are being picky about words. nt |
rhett o rick |
Dec-23-09 08:31 AM |
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You agree with Mr. Jake, but disagree with me?....Funny, because we both said the same thing |
whathehell |
Dec-23-09 10:29 AM |
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The bubble machine doesn't have a lot of options left now that confidence has been destroyed in the |
glitch |
Dec-21-09 10:00 PM |
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Look at Arne Duncan and Charter Schools |
PufPuf23 |
Dec-21-09 11:22 PM |
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we should start asking DUers how they feel about Social Security |
fascisthunter |
Dec-22-09 02:58 PM |
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It's like having the doctor tell you he's going to give you a lobotomy, BUT |
cherokeeprogressive |
Dec-21-09 08:27 PM |
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I see you love terrible analogies as much as me. It's like the doctor telling you he is going to |
rhett o rick |
Dec-22-09 05:19 PM |
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LOL I love that one! n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
Dec-22-09 05:43 PM |
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Mite as well LOL, cant cry anymore. NGU. nt |
rhett o rick |
Dec-22-09 05:48 PM |
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Your eyelids are getting heavy. After I count to 3 you will forget all about any improvement. |
phasma ex machina |
Dec-21-09 08:36 PM |
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If it didn't bother me to do the cliche "110%" I'd give you more than a 100% agreement :) |
Wardoc |
Dec-21-09 08:37 PM |
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Give me a blank check for this bridge, and next month I'll send you the deed of title |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-21-09 08:51 PM |
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If a good bill can't be passed now when we have the majority |
Raine |
Dec-21-09 08:56 PM |
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But no point in having the Public Option because it's so crippled. We can't go back and fix it... |
FormerDittoHead |
Dec-21-09 09:02 PM |
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Look at history, many programs have been improved on since they began |
treestar |
Dec-21-09 09:13 PM |
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Name one after Ronald Reagan nt. |
AllentownJake |
Dec-21-09 10:14 PM |
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Why? |
Qutzupalotl |
Dec-22-09 01:45 PM |
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Institutionalizing fascism is not progress. |
PufPuf23 |
Dec-21-09 11:27 PM |
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And when do you expect enough votes will be had to pass a strong public option? |
Better Believe It |
Dec-22-09 04:06 PM |
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You mean like Medicare? |
Raineyb |
Dec-22-09 05:07 PM |
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I figure they'll just make it even worse later. nt |
valerief |
Dec-21-09 09:36 PM |
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Fix it later my ass !!!!!!!!!!! |
blues90 |
Dec-21-09 09:44 PM |
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K&R |
Odin2005 |
Dec-21-09 09:47 PM |
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Sorry, but I disagree |
Motown_Johnny |
Dec-21-09 09:53 PM |
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What Tweety did not mention is that during LBJ's term there were only 700 |
truedelphi |
Dec-22-09 03:22 AM |
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And more lobbyists after this passes |
ArcticFox |
Dec-22-09 03:24 PM |
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What he also did not mention |
skepticscott |
Dec-22-09 06:46 PM |
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That is why I think it is absurd to believe that |
truedelphi |
Dec-23-09 02:19 AM |
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And don't be asking for more stuff, you got your health care reform.nt |
Tim01 |
Dec-21-09 10:00 PM |
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It's called let's not repeat a history that has led us nowhere. |
HuckleB |
Dec-21-09 10:15 PM |
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The issue with swallowing this bitter pill, as suggested by Dr. Dean, is that |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-21-09 10:20 PM |
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That's a very big problem. |
Laelth |
Dec-21-09 10:59 PM |
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Here, drive your car now, |
WT Fuheck |
Dec-21-09 11:23 PM |
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K&R. |
Vidar |
Dec-22-09 06:22 AM |
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When the insurance companies come to the table....they get everything they want.... |
coyote |
Dec-22-09 08:22 AM |
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We don't have our foot in the door. The insurance industry has their boot in our ass! |
Better Believe It |
Dec-22-09 04:10 PM |
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K&R |
Faryn Balyncd |
Dec-22-09 08:49 AM |
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I'd agree. Enough of the Fix-it Later Fairy Tales. |
chill_wind |
Dec-22-09 11:30 AM |
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That's Dubya Talk |
Blue Owl |
Dec-22-09 11:55 AM |
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A big fucking K&R!!! |
Libertas1776 |
Dec-22-09 11:59 AM |
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If they couldn't get the good stuff now |
Goldstein1984 |
Dec-22-09 12:00 PM |
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Saw that, but I think he was a Congressman. He's no loss |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-22-09 01:48 PM |
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YES it is! |
FiveGoodMen |
Dec-22-09 01:52 PM |
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They tell you that if the bill fails |
Mnpaul |
Dec-22-09 01:58 PM |
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Gosh, if you can't believe a senator, who can you believe? And next time, |
change_notfinetuning |
Dec-22-09 02:48 PM |
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Krugman: Pass the Bill |
johan helge |
Dec-22-09 01:58 PM |
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yes...kill this bill. It's a bad bill. |
winyanstaz |
Dec-22-09 02:18 PM |
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If they simply scuttle the bill and expand medicare to everyone in reconcilliation, we have a winner |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-22-09 02:43 PM |
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I think they need to mess it up a little more and THEN pass it. |
Wizard777 |
Dec-22-09 02:47 PM |
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I own a company |
wolfgangmo |
Dec-22-09 04:52 PM |
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K&R (nt) |
fascisthunter |
Dec-22-09 02:59 PM |
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Even Krugman is saying that. I don't like it either. nt. |
mistertrickster |
Dec-22-09 04:00 PM |
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That is only your opinion, and you have no facts on which to base it. All facts say the opposite. |
stevenleser |
Dec-22-09 04:56 PM |
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The Realization That |
WVRICK13 |
Dec-22-09 04:56 PM |
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That's why the repukes are going to fight it no matter what... |
hughee99 |
Dec-22-09 05:23 PM |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah they also said it about ... |
mntleo2 |
Dec-22-09 05:38 PM |
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K&R |
girl_interrupted |
Dec-22-09 06:11 PM |
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How many bills have actually been improved over time or come in under budget? |
Clear Blue Sky |
Dec-22-09 06:34 PM |
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Top House Liberal Suggests He Could Accept Deal On Senate Bill |
ProSense |
Dec-22-09 06:51 PM |
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Have you read the bill? Have you read the House bill? What exactly are the POS differences? |
Kablooie |
Dec-22-09 07:12 PM |
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K&R |
invictus |
Dec-22-09 07:23 PM |
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FISA and PATRIOT ACT...show...THEY WILL NEVER RE-VISIT/REPAIR the BILL |
KoKo |
Dec-22-09 07:39 PM |
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Let's see... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-22-09 07:50 PM |
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OK....so |
Highway61 |
Dec-22-09 08:33 PM |
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