BluePatriot
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Sun Apr-22-07 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #18 |
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I'm concerned about the far-reaching effects of combining mental and criminal history in rgds. to other entities that perform background checks. I can't condone potential employers, credit agencies, hell even insurance cos. finding out that information. The stigma is still too bad for this. It's like branding someone's records with a scarlet letter.
A weapon-purchase only database could work but I have doubts about the info remaining private.
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 U.S. Congress MAY act to keep guns from mentally ill |
babylonsister |
Apr-22-07 04:52 PM |
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Good Now We Can Take Cheney's Guns Away |
Monkeyman |
Apr-22-07 04:53 PM |
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DAmn! Beat me to it! |
bobbolink |
Apr-22-07 04:58 PM |
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Can we get Ted Nugent and Dick Cheney on the list? |
jilln |
Apr-22-07 04:53 PM |
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obligatory Cheney comment |
Wetzelbill |
Apr-22-07 04:55 PM |
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I wonder if the bill will require states to enter the information whenever... |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 04:55 PM |
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The VA Attorney General was saying last night that they may not have been in compliance |
aikoaiko |
Apr-22-07 05:03 PM |
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Thanks for the update. |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 05:11 PM |
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The VA AG mentioned a 1997 Federal Law, but I don't what it is. |
aikoaiko |
Apr-22-07 05:34 PM |
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NYT is saying Cho's gun purchase prohibited by federal law, see link: |
AJ9000 |
Apr-23-07 01:27 AM |
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Yep, thats what the AG was alluding too. |
aikoaiko |
Apr-23-07 10:10 AM |
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The Patriot Act only applies to terrorists. Remember! |
JDPriestly |
Apr-22-07 06:53 PM |
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Even my rabidly pro-gun peers are for this |
BluePatriot |
Apr-22-07 04:56 PM |
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As long as there are loopholes, like this case showed, might as well |
barb162 |
Apr-22-07 05:00 PM |
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My understanding is that a judge has to rule a person a threat |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 05:13 PM |
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Oh god..what will the nra/bushits |
zidzi |
Apr-22-07 04:57 PM |
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FWIW: The NRA is helping. see post #21 |
aikoaiko |
Apr-22-07 05:01 PM |
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Thanks...post # 11..as well they |
zidzi |
Apr-22-07 05:13 PM |
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There's this funny thing called a "background check" already... |
zulchzulu |
Apr-22-07 04:59 PM |
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The background checks are in effect but don't apply to mental illness history. |
AZBlue |
Apr-22-07 05:07 PM |
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What about the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993? |
zulchzulu |
Apr-22-07 05:21 PM |
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Cho voluntarily checked himself into a hospital - that's why it didn't show up on the background |
AZBlue |
Apr-22-07 11:04 PM |
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The law already applies to mentally ill people ruled dangerous... |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 05:24 PM |
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He was never ruled dangerous. |
AZBlue |
Apr-22-07 11:05 PM |
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As per above |
BluePatriot |
Apr-22-07 07:57 PM |
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Excellent point! |
AZBlue |
Apr-22-07 11:06 PM |
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The bill is to provide more money for compliance, |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 05:23 PM |
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Shouldn't state government justice systems already be in federal compliance? |
zulchzulu |
Apr-22-07 05:34 PM |
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My understanding is that a judge rules, not the police. NT |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 06:07 PM |
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How would Cho's illness be registered for a background check without a judge? |
zulchzulu |
Apr-22-07 09:56 PM |
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Universities don't enter data into the federal database for gun-buyer checks. |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 11:17 PM |
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It's about time. |
lizzy |
Apr-22-07 05:00 PM |
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Even the NRA is helping with this legislation. |
aikoaiko |
Apr-22-07 05:00 PM |
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There was earlier thread on Cho - as I understand it, during the time |
bluerum |
Apr-22-07 05:01 PM |
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It should be the judge's responsibility to get the information to the federal database... |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 05:18 PM |
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Hmmph. Judges under the thumb of RW extremists? Beside the point |
bluerum |
Apr-22-07 10:07 PM |
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30 days wouldn't have worked |
Sgent |
Apr-23-07 01:04 AM |
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Okaaay..... How is this gonna work in the real world? What about those of us who are |
GreenPartyVoter |
Apr-22-07 05:01 PM |
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It takes a village to keep guns out of the hands of the village idiots. |
aikoaiko |
Apr-22-07 05:05 PM |
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Dingdingding we have a winner |
BluePatriot |
Apr-22-07 08:05 PM |
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Will this discourage people from seeking mental health care? |
JDPriestly |
Apr-22-07 05:02 PM |
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It applies to people ruled by a judge to be a threat. |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 05:19 PM |
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How about tacking on an addendum: "and asshats." nt |
SmokingJacket |
Apr-22-07 05:10 PM |
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Also Clean Up Contradictory Laws |
KharmaTrain |
Apr-22-07 05:16 PM |
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Gun law loopholes allow ANYONE to get a gun if they really want to |
zulchzulu |
Apr-22-07 05:27 PM |
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Repeat after me "there is no such thing as a gun show loophole"... |
Man_in_the_Moon |
Apr-23-07 10:23 AM |
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Trouble is most shootings seem to be |
blues90 |
Apr-22-07 05:35 PM |
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Mm-hmm... So, how can this end at all be achieved without... |
colinmom71 |
Apr-22-07 05:37 PM |
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It's for when a judge rules that someone is a threat to himself or others. |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 06:09 PM |
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If that's the case, the legislation is meaningless pandering... |
zulchzulu |
Apr-22-07 10:02 PM |
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Sounds Good to Me -- |
bertha katzenengel |
Apr-22-07 05:40 PM |
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Oh but they have 2nd Amendment rights!! |
Xap |
Apr-22-07 06:32 PM |
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Don't expect any help from me, man... |
derby378 |
Apr-22-07 08:01 PM |
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K&R. How many NRA members would fail a psychological test to |
ProgressiveEconomist |
Apr-22-07 07:45 PM |
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There are no plans to require psychological tests to buy a gun. |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 08:12 PM |
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Don't some states (eg TX) require psychological screening for gun-carry permits? |
ProgressiveEconomist |
Apr-22-07 08:21 PM |
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I don't know about Texas law, but if they requre screening... |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 11:13 PM |
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1ST ON THE LIST ...CHENEY!!..EOM |
flyarm |
Apr-22-07 08:37 PM |
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How convenient |
Jacobin |
Apr-22-07 08:49 PM |
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If this law already exists.... |
loyalsister |
Apr-22-07 09:14 PM |
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Read up on it - This bill would help the states out financially |
slackmaster |
Apr-23-07 10:17 AM |
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Well, let's not be hasty |
Canuckistanian |
Apr-22-07 09:20 PM |
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Mental Illness is severely misunderstood |
RedCappedBandit |
Apr-22-07 10:31 PM |
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I agree. Not every mental illness is chronic. There should be a cluase for restoration of rights. nt |
piedmont |
Apr-22-07 11:31 PM |
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Is someone who is "mentally ill" defined as someone who opposes Bush policies? |
shance |
Apr-22-07 11:08 PM |
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It's a person who is an imminent danger to himself or others. NT |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 11:18 PM |
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Who is the person to "prove" one is actually a danger to himself or others? |
shance |
Apr-22-07 11:49 PM |
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A state judge decides. NT |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 11:53 PM |
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Cho was deemed not a danger to others-- only himself. |
piedmont |
Apr-22-07 11:55 PM |
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My understanding is that's enough for the database. NT |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-22-07 11:59 PM |
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Then I hope there's a provision for re-establishing the right later. nt |
piedmont |
Apr-23-07 12:03 AM |
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Don't many Conservatives believe that Liberalism is a mental illness? |
ToeBot |
Apr-22-07 11:34 PM |
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Irrelevant |
slackmaster |
Apr-23-07 10:18 AM |
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