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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 07:18 PM
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It feels like a battering ram was used on "the left" this week for questioning policy.
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I feel bruised and sore and my heart feels heavy over the fact that all the resources of the administration were rallied in defense of the health care bill....used to discredit and put down those who spoke out.

In effect they targeted one man, but in pitting resources like that against their own.. they sent a loud and clear message what happens when one crosses the Senate leaders and the WH. I did not see it so much if we questioned the House bill. But there appears to be something hallowed and sacred about the Senate bill.

I see there is even a new talking point making the rounds. That those of us who don't support the health care reform unquestioningly do not "care about the poor." I don't know where that started, but it is on a par with the 2003 use of the word "fringe activists", and 2005's term "noisy activists."

I know the bill will pass. It is inevitable. But from all we can tell from all sources it gives huge additional power to the insurance companies. Yet it is sacrilege to question.

Something is wrong with that kind of thing happening. I let my hubby read some of the posts here that ridicule those who want to see change in the bill. He said, oh, my...sounds like our local Democrats were turned loose there. Maybe that is why I am passionate about getting it right now that we have a huge majority.

Where we live we are almost shunned by the party leaders because we differ with them on vital issues.

The accusations flying over Obama haters are just as bad as the Hillary haters that people were called here last year. How did this happen?

We have seen this when other issues have come up this year, not just health care. Each time traditonal Democratic values have come up for discussion, the same thing happens. We are told we are not supporting the president, that we are hurting the party.

Have you noticed what happened to the Republican party when they started allowing no criticism of George W. Bush? They were taken over by the religious right, the teabaggers, the Glenn Becks and Sarah Palins.

These are the thing I honestly believe have seen too much compromise this year.

I firmly believe in full and equal rights in every way for women and for gays. There should be no lines drawn, saying this is okay but that is not. We all get equal rights.

Odd, but that makes me a purist in this Democratic party. Abortion is really only available now to women with good financial resources. DADT and DOMA have not yet gone away. Many of our Democrats are also willing to sell out birth control to please the extreme religious right.

I believe in a real public education. Not one run by private corporations. Our party made its decision on this with the president's appointment to the DOE. He is a powerful man, that Arne Duncan. He has a lot of money, a lot of it...and he is using it to bribe school districts to do it his way. Teachers have been treated badly.

I do not believe it is honest and moral to judge children and teachers on the results of one test, written in secret and graded in secret...totally unregulated.

I believe in unions. I believe that unions gave us the strong middle class we had for a long time but which we no longer have because both parties have been union busting with all their trade deals to make other countries happy.

I believe strongly in separation of church and state. Our party does not seem to share my passion on this. They have strengthened the faith-based initiatives begun by Bush. Of the 25 members, 19 are anti-choice...and they were chosen by our party. So they knew and did not care.

I believe that Catholic bishops should not be helping Democrats write bills that are anti-woman in nature.

I believe that we should have used our majority to get a powerful health care reform bill. We did not. We catered and pandered to the right, and our party ignored the progressives and liberals entirely. They let a small minority control the agenda.

I believe strongly that when a huge uprising of purists, liberals, progressives, independents, and others gave a president and congress a resounding majority....they must use that majority for the common good. Or they will lose it.


The really big question mark should have popped up for everyone when Bill Nelson got his way about restricting abortion payments. We all know it is a gift to the religious community, yet we are again accepting.

I know the bill will pass, maybe the House will be given an opportunity to fix it up a little. But then Nelson is threatening filibuster if the House changes the bill.

That is if Lieberman doesn't back down first.





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  -It feels like a battering ram was used on "the left" this week for questioning policy. madfloridian  Dec-20-09 07:18 PM   #0 
  - I see the unreccers/don't question authority people are here. nt  tbyg52   Dec-20-09 07:23 PM   #1 
  - Yes, they are, just as are the unreccers/hate everyone in power  MineralMan   Dec-20-09 07:27 PM   #3 
     - I don't hate everyone in power - I question everyone in power.  tbyg52   Dec-20-09 08:08 PM   #26 
     - As We All Should!!! /nt  Dragonfli   Dec-20-09 08:11 PM   #28 
     - Well said, tbyg52.  Starry Messenger   Dec-20-09 08:13 PM   #29 
     - Amen. I never used to do that.  madfloridian   Dec-20-09 09:18 PM   #34 
     - Notice how some personalities sail right past that essential, crucial difference?  Echo In Light   Dec-21-09 09:29 AM   #49 
     - I trust politicians about as far as I can throw them.  pleah   Dec-21-09 10:06 AM   #50 
     - How far DO you throw them?  Ken Burch   Dec-21-09 04:09 PM   #70 
        - I'm only 5'1'', how far do you think? ;)  pleah   Dec-21-09 04:56 PM   #76 
           - Short people do sometimes have tremendous upper body strength  Ken Burch   Dec-21-09 05:27 PM   #81 
              - Wouldn't that be awesome. :D  pleah   Dec-21-09 06:22 PM   #84 
                 - If you go into training right now, you've got a shot.  Ken Burch   Dec-21-09 06:23 PM   #85 
     - Amen... nt  Blasphemer   Dec-21-09 06:49 PM   #86 
     - Just so you know, what offends my sensibilities  sabrina 1   Dec-21-09 03:48 PM   #69 
  - I feel the same.  texanwitch   Dec-20-09 07:26 PM   #2 
  - look how many DUers did the same  Skittles   Dec-20-09 07:29 PM   #4 
  - yeah, they really are the Other Right, & yes they call all bc abortion & it'll  KakistocracyHater   Dec-20-09 07:31 PM   #5 
  - I got hate mail in my DU inbox  AllentownJake   Dec-20-09 07:33 PM   #6 
  - You should post it.  LoZoccolo   Dec-20-09 07:45 PM   #12 
  - The newest one is a class act  AllentownJake   Dec-20-09 07:49 PM   #15 
  - It should be sent to Skinner.  pecwae   Dec-21-09 09:17 AM   #45 
  - As both Parties embrace the Religious Right, they start to resemble belief systems  leftstreet   Dec-20-09 07:34 PM   #7 
  - Yes, the new stronger embrace of religion is scary and strange.  madfloridian   Dec-20-09 07:37 PM   #8 
     - Right wing religious movement is America is fake . . . as fake and as well financed . ..  defendandprotect   Dec-21-09 03:15 PM   #68 
  - “The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same.”  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-20-09 07:40 PM   #9 
  - lockstepping - not just for Repubs  TorchTheWitch   Dec-20-09 07:42 PM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-21-09 12:45 PM   #59 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-20-09 07:44 PM   #11 
  - SO you are calling us Palin Democrats?  madfloridian   Dec-20-09 07:46 PM   #13 
  - Hey I got called a PUMA yesterday  AllentownJake   Dec-20-09 07:49 PM   #17 
  - Best to ignore it.  girl gone mad   Dec-20-09 07:52 PM   #19 
  - Don't worry, it's just LoZo trolling, as always.  Forkboy   Dec-20-09 08:06 PM   #25 
     - holy crap.... that person is still here?  fascisthunter   Dec-21-09 12:55 PM   #62 
  - The class of Obama's strongest supporters never ceases to amaze me  AllentownJake   Dec-20-09 07:48 PM   #14 
  - Joe Bageant asks a poor rural disabled white woman about health care  eridani   Dec-20-09 07:55 PM   #20 
  - I got called Allentown's cheerleader yesterday.  donco6   Dec-21-09 04:11 PM   #71 
  - "Once you imply that Democrats are the same as Republicans, you toss your credibility."  Forkboy   Dec-20-09 08:04 PM   #24 
  - Keep your head up, Mad.  girl gone mad   Dec-20-09 07:49 PM   #16 
  - Right. Just like the WTO protesters in 1999 "didn't care about the poor"  eridani   Dec-20-09 07:51 PM   #18 
  - It says something in the DU rules about how you gotta be tough  treestar   Dec-20-09 07:57 PM   #21 
  - Another thing I resent are the ones claiming they are paying MY  Jamastiene   Dec-20-09 07:58 PM   #22 
  - Word  Hydra   Dec-20-09 08:30 PM   #31 
  - we are to old to put up with this shit  madrchsod   Dec-20-09 08:02 PM   #23 
  - I have been told to stay quiet (and locked for good measure) been insulted  Dragonfli   Dec-20-09 08:09 PM   #27 
  - I hope you are right that "A day of reckoning is coming." nt  tbyg52   Dec-20-09 08:28 PM   #30 
  - Ditto to that.  madfloridian   Dec-20-09 10:18 PM   #39 
  - yep nt  laughingliberal   Dec-20-09 09:23 PM   #35 
  - Not all that fun.  juno jones   Dec-21-09 12:12 AM   #42 
  - My income status fluctuates a lot, but I've been volunteering in my church's meal programs  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-21-09 09:28 AM   #46 
  - Plain English  Okota   Dec-21-09 02:09 PM   #65 
  - I'm so sorry about your wife and yes, that day is coming...  Blasphemer   Dec-21-09 06:52 PM   #87 
  - Not speaking but agreeing.  mirrera   Dec-21-09 07:12 PM   #90 
  - Make that "Ben" Nelson and abortion in the OP...I know better.  madfloridian   Dec-20-09 08:32 PM   #32 
  - There has been no critical word of Nelson or Lieberman  madfloridian   Dec-20-09 08:47 PM   #33 
  - Nope, they aren't. You have that one right.  StreetKnowledge   Dec-21-09 04:17 PM   #73 
  - Good post, mad nt  laughingliberal   Dec-20-09 09:24 PM   #36 
  - I do so love people who continually walk into brick walls  whistler162   Dec-20-09 09:28 PM   #37 
  - Another form of insult.  madfloridian   Dec-20-09 09:49 PM   #38 
  - No, we are continually *shoved* into brick walls. nt  tbyg52   Dec-21-09 09:05 AM   #43 
  - So, don't complain  pecwae   Dec-21-09 09:16 AM   #44 
  - It's getting harder and harder to see the democratic part in the Democratic party. Not for  bertman   Dec-20-09 11:22 PM   #40 
  - How dare they not include a pre-existing clause for adults?  madfloridian   Dec-21-09 11:29 AM   #53 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-21-09 02:11 PM   #66 
  - Yes and only the vote can get better ones.  pundaint   Dec-21-09 11:36 AM   #54 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Dec-20-09 11:43 PM   #41 
  - It is sinister.  burning rain   Dec-21-09 09:28 AM   #47 
  - Rec #100  MissDeeds   Dec-21-09 09:29 AM   #48 
  - K&R  pleah   Dec-21-09 10:07 AM   #51 
  - It is strange. Loyal allies get crapped on. Lukewarm fairweather ones get wined and dined. I..  Wardoc   Dec-21-09 10:07 AM   #52 
  - Battering ram or battering Rahm? n/t  n2doc   Dec-21-09 12:14 PM   #55 
  - Battering Rahm was my first thought as well.  tnlefty   Dec-21-09 12:43 PM   #58 
  - Great OP--Well-written.  Goldstein1984   Dec-21-09 12:23 PM   #56 
  - Then I guess you're very happy that you and the US Catholic Bishops have the same goal  Gman   Dec-21-09 12:36 PM   #57 
  - There is no HCR Bill to kill. There is just a dangerous piece of trash  saracat   Dec-21-09 12:51 PM   #61 
  - Case in point, everyone.  donco6   Dec-21-09 04:14 PM   #72 
  - Lies paint us as wackos and dismiss us and children  upi402   Dec-21-09 12:47 PM   #60 
  - Lot's are with you Mad  fascisthunter   Dec-21-09 12:56 PM   #63 
  - K&R.  Greyhound   Dec-21-09 01:31 PM   #64 
  - IMO, Medicare and Social Security privatization will be next . . . and then abortion ...  defendandprotect   Dec-21-09 03:11 PM   #67 
  - That's what I'm expecting to see, too. And I fear it. nt  valerief   Dec-21-09 06:06 PM   #83 
  - Chris Mathews has declared war on the Progressives.  EmeraldCityGrl   Dec-21-09 04:36 PM   #74 
  - Actually, it feels like SOME on the left used a Battering Ram to bash HCR this week.  HuckleB   Dec-21-09 04:38 PM   #75 
  - How dare them-voters bashing a politician's bill?  Dr Fate   Dec-21-09 05:04 PM   #78 
     - Thanks for another spurious response.  HuckleB   Dec-21-09 05:14 PM   #79 
        - I thought you were defending the so called "reform" & the politicians who were attacking voters...  Dr Fate   Dec-21-09 07:58 PM   #92 
  - Turns out that "Chicago Style Politics" means bullying the left, not the GOP or corporations.  Dr Fate   Dec-21-09 05:00 PM   #77 
  - I agree with you and I must say: This is not my Father's Democratic Party.  BlueJazz   Dec-21-09 05:25 PM   #80 
  - Interesting.  madfloridian   Dec-21-09 05:31 PM   #82 
  - The beatings will continue until morale improves.  Major Hogwash   Dec-21-09 07:00 PM   #88 
  - The Senate's bill is indefensible...the House's bill on the other hand...  EVDebs   Dec-21-09 07:12 PM   #89 
  - I detest Nelson of NE.  femrap   Dec-21-09 07:18 PM   #91 
 

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