MineralMan
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Sat Dec-19-09 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #53 |
| 55. Absolutely. This battle is over. The next battle is |
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just beginning. If we give up now, we lose for a long, long time. Thanks!
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| -Well, "Something" Is About To Pass in The Senate. |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:00 AM |
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individual mandates that force us to buy that crap, with no cost controls, no oversight, is slavery. |
niyad |
Dec-19-09 10:03 AM |
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Do the mandates kick in before the subsidies do? |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:05 AM |
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if I understand correctly they do |
Lerkfish |
Dec-19-09 10:10 AM |
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It's also a NEW TAX. We were promised over and over no tax increases unless |
AndyA |
Dec-19-09 10:16 AM |
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Single payer health care would also be a new tax, you know. |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:21 AM |
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The difference between that and what we're about to have shoved up our asses |
AndyA |
Dec-19-09 10:30 AM |
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The huge cost savings would make the taxes considerably less than |
clear eye |
Dec-19-09 10:36 AM |
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the additional taxes for most would be less than their current health insurance premiums. |
dysfunctional press |
Dec-19-09 11:53 AM |
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Amen |
Nikki Stone1 |
Dec-19-09 10:41 AM |
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Cost controls and oversight are built in. See link... |
Hekate |
Dec-19-09 11:19 AM |
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Even if you have coverage birth control isn't cheap. |
dkf |
Dec-19-09 10:05 AM |
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It isn't cheap. You're right. It should be. |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:10 AM |
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I'm learning that getting better legislators doesn't mean getting Democrats into office. |
dkf |
Dec-19-09 10:14 AM |
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Yes, indeed. Better Democrats. |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:22 AM |
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And that will still be covered n/t |
sandnsea |
Dec-19-09 10:12 AM |
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"this current half-assed thing" |
janx |
Dec-19-09 10:05 AM |
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It's a corporatist poisoned chalice that they'll shove on us now |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-19-09 10:53 AM |
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It's a horrible bill and NOT about healthcare. |
ananda |
Dec-19-09 10:06 AM |
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If this bill passes, it will be a Democratic bill, and they can't get away from that, especially |
still_one |
Dec-19-09 10:07 AM |
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I think there may be an answer to that. Given the total |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:17 AM |
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I understand that, but unless that is explained simply and clearly, not with a Kerry nuance, people |
still_one |
Dec-19-09 10:21 AM |
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Maybe that's our job. Maybe we need to make explaining that |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:27 AM |
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It has to be, because our elected representatives aren't doing a very good job of it /nt |
still_one |
Dec-19-09 10:34 AM |
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Kill the bill. It stinks. |
Laelth |
Dec-19-09 10:08 AM |
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The Senate probably thinks its own crap doesn't stink. nt |
phasma ex machina |
Dec-19-09 11:34 AM |
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the problem is that if this crap passes, it sets us on a road that in the future |
nightrain |
Dec-19-09 10:09 AM |
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I hope that's not the case. I can see how a public option could |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:15 AM |
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certainly not likely to "easily insert" a more public option when |
nightrain |
Dec-19-09 10:38 AM |
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If they can't get single payer now |
BP2 |
Dec-19-09 10:21 AM |
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Only if we allow bad Democrats to remain in office. |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:28 AM |
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there will always be "bad" (corporate) Democrats in Congress! |
nightrain |
Dec-19-09 10:40 AM |
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Then it's hopeless? |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:45 AM |
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Kill this farce. Start over. It's a horrible policy precedent to force people to buy PRIVATE |
nightrain |
Dec-19-09 10:50 AM |
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I'm afraid the time has passed to do that. |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 11:29 AM |
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you can't control where people take a thread. No bill has been signed. |
nightrain |
Dec-19-09 12:19 PM |
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Senatorial bowel movement alert! nt |
phasma ex machina |
Dec-19-09 11:35 AM |
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remove everything that benefits death care corps. then send it back to the senate nt |
msongs |
Dec-19-09 10:11 AM |
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You don't understand. That would not pass this Senate. |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:30 AM |
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I don't sit here just griping on election day. I vote. Garbage in garbage out. |
shadowknows69 |
Dec-19-09 10:12 AM |
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Election day is far too late. Voting is far too little. |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:19 AM |
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Suggestions? I call and write Congress critters that have deemed me irrelevant. |
shadowknows69 |
Dec-19-09 12:05 PM |
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Gas? |
HopeHoops |
Dec-19-09 10:12 AM |
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!!! |
KansDem |
Dec-19-09 10:34 AM |
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We need to vote out all these Corporatist Democrats in the Senate. |
ShortnFiery |
Dec-19-09 10:40 AM |
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That's it. Now, what will you be doing in your state to do |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:44 AM |
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that 'something' passing through the bowels of the senate |
Mari333 |
Dec-19-09 10:41 AM |
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This bill is worse than nothing because it strengthens the same entities that undermine public... |
JVS |
Dec-19-09 10:42 AM |
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Yes. That's what I said, basically. |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 11:30 AM |
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I think it's overly simplistic. |
JVS |
Dec-19-09 11:37 AM |
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I'm not saying it's easy. It's not. It's not going to all happen in |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 11:50 AM |
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Why are people unrecommending this? |
crispini |
Dec-19-09 10:43 AM |
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I don't care about unrecs. This was posted to generate discussion, |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 10:52 AM |
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Well, more power to you. |
crispini |
Dec-19-09 11:08 AM |
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I'll check into that. Most of my efforts are in |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 11:27 AM |
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Yeah I work in local races too. |
crispini |
Dec-19-09 04:56 PM |
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This OP is not about the health care bill. That's over. |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 11:05 AM |
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Sometimes half of the loaf is all you are able to get. |
davsand |
Dec-19-09 11:48 AM |
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Absolutely. This battle is over. The next battle is |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 11:51 AM |
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Something is about to pass my cat, too. |
cliffordu |
Dec-19-09 11:32 AM |
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So, what's your plan for getting better people into the Senate? |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 11:52 AM |
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I'll support who I think will get the job done - with the meager resources I have and |
cliffordu |
Dec-19-09 12:12 PM |
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The Bill |
phasma ex machina |
Dec-19-09 11:54 AM |
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K & R. |
HuckleB |
Dec-19-09 12:06 PM |
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THANK GOD IT PASSED 2: THE THANKENING |
DireStrike |
Dec-19-09 12:13 PM |
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You said it, and that is correct. |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Dec-19-09 12:14 PM |
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My dear Peggy, |
MineralMan |
Dec-19-09 12:45 PM |
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When it passes, it should be delivered to the President's desk in a bedpan. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Dec-19-09 12:21 PM |
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like hoping for a cute little baby, and getting a jagged kidney stone instead |
SoCalDem |
Dec-19-09 12:22 PM |
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This isn't a modest win. It is a terrible loss. |
Wardoc |
Dec-19-09 05:44 PM |
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