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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 10:10 AM
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9. if I understand correctly they do
but someone will correct me if wrong I assume
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  -Well, "Something" Is About To Pass in The Senate. MineralMan  Dec-19-09 10:00 AM   #0 
  - individual mandates that force us to buy that crap, with no cost controls, no oversight, is slavery.  niyad   Dec-19-09 10:03 AM   #1 
  - Do the mandates kick in before the subsidies do?  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:05 AM   #3 
  - if I understand correctly they do  Lerkfish   Dec-19-09 10:10 AM   #9 
  - It's also a NEW TAX. We were promised over and over no tax increases unless  AndyA   Dec-19-09 10:16 AM   #17 
  - Single payer health care would also be a new tax, you know.  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:21 AM   #21 
     - The difference between that and what we're about to have shoved up our asses  AndyA   Dec-19-09 10:30 AM   #27 
     - The huge cost savings would make the taxes considerably less than  clear eye   Dec-19-09 10:36 AM   #30 
     - the additional taxes for most would be less than their current health insurance premiums.  dysfunctional press   Dec-19-09 11:53 AM   #57 
  - Amen  Nikki Stone1   Dec-19-09 10:41 AM   #35 
  - Cost controls and oversight are built in. See link...  Hekate   Dec-19-09 11:19 AM   #45 
  - Even if you have coverage birth control isn't cheap.  dkf   Dec-19-09 10:05 AM   #2 
  - It isn't cheap. You're right. It should be.  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:10 AM   #10 
  - I'm learning that getting better legislators doesn't mean getting Democrats into office.  dkf   Dec-19-09 10:14 AM   #15 
     - Yes, indeed. Better Democrats.  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:22 AM   #23 
  - And that will still be covered n/t  sandnsea   Dec-19-09 10:12 AM   #12 
  - "this current half-assed thing"  janx   Dec-19-09 10:05 AM   #4 
  - It's a corporatist poisoned chalice that they'll shove on us now  kenny blankenship   Dec-19-09 10:53 AM   #42 
  - It's a horrible bill and NOT about healthcare.  ananda   Dec-19-09 10:06 AM   #5 
  - If this bill passes, it will be a Democratic bill, and they can't get away from that, especially  still_one   Dec-19-09 10:07 AM   #6 
  - I think there may be an answer to that. Given the total  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:17 AM   #18 
     - I understand that, but unless that is explained simply and clearly, not with a Kerry nuance, people  still_one   Dec-19-09 10:21 AM   #20 
        - Maybe that's our job. Maybe we need to make explaining that  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:27 AM   #24 
           - It has to be, because our elected representatives aren't doing a very good job of it /nt  still_one   Dec-19-09 10:34 AM   #29 
  - Kill the bill. It stinks.  Laelth   Dec-19-09 10:08 AM   #7 
  - The Senate probably thinks its own crap doesn't stink. nt  phasma ex machina   Dec-19-09 11:34 AM   #50 
  - the problem is that if this crap passes, it sets us on a road that in the future  nightrain   Dec-19-09 10:09 AM   #8 
  - I hope that's not the case. I can see how a public option could  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:15 AM   #16 
  - certainly not likely to "easily insert" a more public option when  nightrain   Dec-19-09 10:38 AM   #31 
  - If they can't get single payer now  BP2   Dec-19-09 10:21 AM   #22 
  - Only if we allow bad Democrats to remain in office.  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:28 AM   #25 
     - there will always be "bad" (corporate) Democrats in Congress!  nightrain   Dec-19-09 10:40 AM   #32 
        - Then it's hopeless?  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:45 AM   #39 
           - Kill this farce. Start over. It's a horrible policy precedent to force people to buy PRIVATE  nightrain   Dec-19-09 10:50 AM   #40 
              - I'm afraid the time has passed to do that.  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 11:29 AM   #47 
                 - you can't control where people take a thread. No bill has been signed.  nightrain   Dec-19-09 12:19 PM   #64 
  - Senatorial bowel movement alert! nt  phasma ex machina   Dec-19-09 11:35 AM   #51 
  - remove everything that benefits death care corps. then send it back to the senate nt  msongs   Dec-19-09 10:11 AM   #11 
  - You don't understand. That would not pass this Senate.  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:30 AM   #26 
  - I don't sit here just griping on election day. I vote. Garbage in garbage out.  shadowknows69   Dec-19-09 10:12 AM   #13 
  - Election day is far too late. Voting is far too little.  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:19 AM   #19 
     - Suggestions? I call and write Congress critters that have deemed me irrelevant.  shadowknows69   Dec-19-09 12:05 PM   #59 
  - Gas?  HopeHoops   Dec-19-09 10:12 AM   #14 
  - !!!  KansDem   Dec-19-09 10:34 AM   #28 
  - We need to vote out all these Corporatist Democrats in the Senate.  ShortnFiery   Dec-19-09 10:40 AM   #33 
  - That's it. Now, what will you be doing in your state to do  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:44 AM   #38 
  - that 'something' passing through the bowels of the senate  Mari333   Dec-19-09 10:41 AM   #34 
  - This bill is worse than nothing because it strengthens the same entities that undermine public...  JVS   Dec-19-09 10:42 AM   #36 
  - Yes. That's what I said, basically.  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 11:30 AM   #48 
     - I think it's overly simplistic.  JVS   Dec-19-09 11:37 AM   #52 
        - I'm not saying it's easy. It's not. It's not going to all happen in  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 11:50 AM   #54 
  - Why are people unrecommending this?  crispini   Dec-19-09 10:43 AM   #37 
  - I don't care about unrecs. This was posted to generate discussion,  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 10:52 AM   #41 
     - Well, more power to you.  crispini   Dec-19-09 11:08 AM   #44 
        - I'll check into that. Most of my efforts are in  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 11:27 AM   #46 
           - Yeah I work in local races too.  crispini   Dec-19-09 04:56 PM   #68 
  - This OP is not about the health care bill. That's over.  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 11:05 AM   #43 
  - Sometimes half of the loaf is all you are able to get.  davsand   Dec-19-09 11:48 AM   #53 
     - Absolutely. This battle is over. The next battle is  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 11:51 AM   #55 
  - Something is about to pass my cat, too.  cliffordu   Dec-19-09 11:32 AM   #49 
  - So, what's your plan for getting better people into the Senate?  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 11:52 AM   #56 
     - I'll support who I think will get the job done - with the meager resources I have and  cliffordu   Dec-19-09 12:12 PM   #61 
  - The Bill  phasma ex machina   Dec-19-09 11:54 AM   #58 
  - K & R.  HuckleB   Dec-19-09 12:06 PM   #60 
  - THANK GOD IT PASSED 2: THE THANKENING  DireStrike   Dec-19-09 12:13 PM   #62 
  - You said it, and that is correct.  CaliforniaPeggy   Dec-19-09 12:14 PM   #63 
  - My dear Peggy,  MineralMan   Dec-19-09 12:45 PM   #67 
  - When it passes, it should be delivered to the President's desk in a bedpan.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-19-09 12:21 PM   #65 
  - like hoping for a cute little baby, and getting a jagged kidney stone instead  SoCalDem   Dec-19-09 12:22 PM   #66 
  - This isn't a modest win. It is a terrible loss.  Wardoc   Dec-19-09 05:44 PM   #69 

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