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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 09:47 AM
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16. I have said this over and over to people who are against govt running health care:
Who do you prefer making the ultimate decisions about what you can or cannot have for your healthcare dollar: A for profit ins co...or the federal govt? Those are the choices we have. I, too, would prefer that the ONLY persons involved are the patient and the health care provider. However...that can ONLY take place when the patient is 100% self-paying and that most likely is not an option for 99% of the population.

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  -I knew we were lost, when ONE word changed. SoCalDem  Dec-19-09 09:34 AM   #0 
  - But it IS insurance reform, how you get actual care would not change. nt  Captain Hilts   Dec-19-09 09:35 AM   #1 
  - Well, you're absolutely right there, Captain Hilts.  enlightenment   Dec-19-09 09:38 AM   #3 
  - That's the problem. Right now, insurance companies dictate care.  jtrockville   Dec-19-09 09:40 AM   #6 
  - Yep. That's got to change. Getting rid of ins. cos. anti-trust exemption is KEY.  Captain Hilts   Dec-19-09 09:43 AM   #9 
  - More than just anti-trust exemption. Get rid of INSURANCE COMPANIES.  jtrockville   Dec-19-09 09:46 AM   #14 
     - The Prez said they play an important role. I'm not sure what that role is other than  Captain Hilts   Dec-19-09 09:53 AM   #24 
     - They're nothing more than a MIDDLE MAN. A hugely profitable one.  jtrockville   Dec-19-09 10:09 AM   #33 
        - Their "product" is invisible.  bvar22   Dec-19-09 10:28 PM   #57 
           - Their product is the deaths of hundreds of innocent people  varelse   Dec-19-09 10:31 PM   #58 
           - Obama & The Democrat's "Uniquely American Solution" :  bvar22   Dec-19-09 11:13 PM   #60 
              - Upside-down generosity..bah-humbug  SoCalDem   Dec-20-09 04:33 PM   #69 
           - Thought you were talking about Wall St. for a second. Wall St. does produce  change_notfinetuning   Dec-19-09 11:42 PM   #61 
           - It's like a bank giving you $70 for that $100 check you cash  SoCalDem   Dec-20-09 09:27 AM   #68 
     - Abso-fucking-lutely!  pleah   Dec-19-09 11:01 PM   #59 
  - I have said this over and over to people who are against govt running health care:  Hepburn   Dec-19-09 09:47 AM   #16 
     - So you prefer nationalized health care to a Canadian-style single-payer system? n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-19-09 09:49 AM   #18 
     - That is not the point....  Hepburn   Dec-19-09 07:34 PM   #55 
     - It's a real no-shitter, isn't it? Or, rather, it should be. nt  Captain Hilts   Dec-19-09 09:52 AM   #23 
     - Doctors in developed countries don't seem to have such constraints.  jtrockville   Dec-19-09 10:12 AM   #38 
  - Exactly. Playing semantic games doesn't change the fact  tonysam   Dec-19-09 10:16 AM   #40 
  - Exactly. Playing semantic games doesn't change the fact  tonysam   Dec-19-09 10:16 AM   #41 
  - They changed the semantics and the facts at the same time.  BurtWorm   Dec-19-09 10:19 AM   #43 
     - Yes. They're trying to pretend it isn't about our lives.  Orsino   Dec-19-09 07:38 PM   #56 
  - +1  Deja Q   Dec-19-09 11:01 AM   #53 
  - I hear what you're saying, mine heart fell when that word changed. n/t  KarenS   Dec-19-09 09:37 AM   #2 
  - Oh jesus christ....  superduperfarleft   Dec-19-09 09:39 AM   #4 
  - So you admit the reason it was called "health CARE reform" in the beginning was to gull the gullible  Fumesucker   Dec-19-09 09:42 AM   #7 
  - It was called health care reform by the same people,  superduperfarleft   Dec-19-09 09:44 AM   #10 
  - BINGO. nt  Captain Hilts   Dec-19-09 09:44 AM   #11 
  - No, I think SoCalDem's point is absolutely valid.  BurtWorm   Dec-19-09 09:45 AM   #13 
  - Nationalizing hospitals, like is done in the UK, would be CARE reform.  superduperfarleft   Dec-19-09 09:47 AM   #15 
  - It doesn't matter what the niggling little literal meaning of the words is.  BurtWorm   Dec-19-09 09:54 AM   #25 
     - You may have a point there, and you're not an idiot.  superduperfarleft   Dec-19-09 09:57 AM   #27 
        - "...tombstoned lunatic who posted low-information OPs like this one ..." gee thanks  SoCalDem   Dec-19-09 10:07 AM   #31 
        - I meant to direct "low-information" towards you, not the lunatic part.  superduperfarleft   Dec-19-09 10:31 AM   #48 
           - left-handed "apology" , semi-accepted  SoCalDem   Dec-19-09 10:33 AM   #49 
        - I hear what you're saying, and you obviously have a point.  BurtWorm   Dec-19-09 10:08 AM   #32 
        - Don't get me wrong, I think care reform is needed as well.  superduperfarleft   Dec-19-09 10:35 AM   #50 
        - You know not of whom you speak. nt  Lorien   Dec-20-09 02:52 AM   #64 
  - change  maglatinavi   Dec-19-09 10:00 AM   #29 
  - You are both right.  DefenseLawyer   Dec-19-09 09:52 AM   #22 
  - It's all insurance, just a matter of who funds it. You are right. We were  TwilightGardener   Dec-19-09 10:21 AM   #45 
  - yes, and it's "reform" along the lines of the so-called "Consumer Protection Act"  ixion   Dec-19-09 09:39 AM   #5 
  - Did you read any of Obama's proposals?  BzaDem   Dec-19-09 09:43 AM   #8 
  - Personally, I have fantastic coverage through a union plan  SoCalDem   Dec-19-09 09:50 AM   #20 
  - What you're talking about is insurance reform. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-19-09 09:51 AM   #21 
  - O proposals  maglatinavi   Dec-19-09 10:10 AM   #35 
  - This is NOT the change I voted for....  Hepburn   Dec-19-09 09:44 AM   #12 
  - Damn straight....  daleanime   Dec-19-09 09:48 AM   #17 
  - You're exactly right. Big difference between "care" and "insurance."  Vinca   Dec-19-09 09:49 AM   #19 
  - I knew which word you meant before I opened the thread.  GreenEyedLefty   Dec-19-09 09:57 AM   #26 
  - Until the system is changed, nothing will really change.  AndyA   Dec-19-09 09:58 AM   #28 
  - I guess Obama the progressive-sounding candidate  branders seine   Dec-19-09 10:04 AM   #30 
  - Real Title is 'Insurance Industry Profit Enhancement and Protection Act of 2009'  pissedoff01   Dec-19-09 10:09 AM   #34 
  - a la "Clear Skies" & "Healthy Forests"  SoCalDem   Dec-19-09 10:10 AM   #36 
  - And THAT kicks in immediately.  Octafish   Dec-19-09 10:11 AM   #37 
  - Thanks!  pissedoff01   Dec-19-09 10:12 AM   #39 
  - similar to the commodities and futures modernization act that brought us credit default swaps  grahamhgreen   Dec-20-09 02:58 AM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-09 10:19 AM   #42 
  - Merry Christmas to you too:)  SoCalDem   Dec-19-09 10:21 AM   #44 
  - That one word moved the entire focus of the debate from universal coverage.  Octafish   Dec-19-09 10:24 AM   #46 
  - Young people would be wise to evaluate their job options  SoCalDem   Dec-19-09 10:29 AM   #47 
     - Some societies value their elders for their wisdom and love.  Octafish   Dec-19-09 10:53 AM   #51 
        - It's ironic, isn't it?  SoCalDem   Dec-19-09 10:59 AM   #52 
  - It's exactly how it works. Brilliant find.  Gregorian   Dec-19-09 11:36 AM   #54 
  - Yep - that's about the time I figured it had all gone South  Triana   Dec-19-09 11:56 PM   #62 
  - once most of the Boomers have croaked, there will probably be another chance  SoCalDem   Dec-20-09 09:26 AM   #67 
  - We don't need no stinkin' insurance.  undeterred   Dec-20-09 12:15 AM   #63 
  - Americans need health care, not health insurance.  grahamhgreen   Dec-20-09 02:56 AM   #65 

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