Captain Hilts
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Sat Dec-19-09 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #4 |
| -I knew we were lost, when ONE word changed. |
SoCalDem |
Dec-19-09 09:34 AM |
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But it IS insurance reform, how you get actual care would not change. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Dec-19-09 09:35 AM |
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Well, you're absolutely right there, Captain Hilts. |
enlightenment |
Dec-19-09 09:38 AM |
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That's the problem. Right now, insurance companies dictate care. |
jtrockville |
Dec-19-09 09:40 AM |
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Yep. That's got to change. Getting rid of ins. cos. anti-trust exemption is KEY. |
Captain Hilts |
Dec-19-09 09:43 AM |
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More than just anti-trust exemption. Get rid of INSURANCE COMPANIES. |
jtrockville |
Dec-19-09 09:46 AM |
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The Prez said they play an important role. I'm not sure what that role is other than |
Captain Hilts |
Dec-19-09 09:53 AM |
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They're nothing more than a MIDDLE MAN. A hugely profitable one. |
jtrockville |
Dec-19-09 10:09 AM |
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Their "product" is invisible. |
bvar22 |
Dec-19-09 10:28 PM |
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Their product is the deaths of hundreds of innocent people |
varelse |
Dec-19-09 10:31 PM |
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Obama & The Democrat's "Uniquely American Solution" : |
bvar22 |
Dec-19-09 11:13 PM |
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Upside-down generosity..bah-humbug |
SoCalDem |
Dec-20-09 04:33 PM |
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Thought you were talking about Wall St. for a second. Wall St. does produce |
change_notfinetuning |
Dec-19-09 11:42 PM |
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It's like a bank giving you $70 for that $100 check you cash |
SoCalDem |
Dec-20-09 09:27 AM |
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Abso-fucking-lutely! |
pleah |
Dec-19-09 11:01 PM |
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I have said this over and over to people who are against govt running health care: |
Hepburn |
Dec-19-09 09:47 AM |
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So you prefer nationalized health care to a Canadian-style single-payer system? n/t |
superduperfarleft |
Dec-19-09 09:49 AM |
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That is not the point.... |
Hepburn |
Dec-19-09 07:34 PM |
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It's a real no-shitter, isn't it? Or, rather, it should be. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Dec-19-09 09:52 AM |
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Doctors in developed countries don't seem to have such constraints. |
jtrockville |
Dec-19-09 10:12 AM |
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Exactly. Playing semantic games doesn't change the fact |
tonysam |
Dec-19-09 10:16 AM |
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Exactly. Playing semantic games doesn't change the fact |
tonysam |
Dec-19-09 10:16 AM |
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They changed the semantics and the facts at the same time. |
BurtWorm |
Dec-19-09 10:19 AM |
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Yes. They're trying to pretend it isn't about our lives. |
Orsino |
Dec-19-09 07:38 PM |
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+1 |
Deja Q |
Dec-19-09 11:01 AM |
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I hear what you're saying, mine heart fell when that word changed. n/t |
KarenS |
Dec-19-09 09:37 AM |
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Oh jesus christ.... |
superduperfarleft |
Dec-19-09 09:39 AM |
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So you admit the reason it was called "health CARE reform" in the beginning was to gull the gullible |
Fumesucker |
Dec-19-09 09:42 AM |
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It was called health care reform by the same people, |
superduperfarleft |
Dec-19-09 09:44 AM |
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BINGO. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Dec-19-09 09:44 AM |
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No, I think SoCalDem's point is absolutely valid. |
BurtWorm |
Dec-19-09 09:45 AM |
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Nationalizing hospitals, like is done in the UK, would be CARE reform. |
superduperfarleft |
Dec-19-09 09:47 AM |
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It doesn't matter what the niggling little literal meaning of the words is. |
BurtWorm |
Dec-19-09 09:54 AM |
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You may have a point there, and you're not an idiot. |
superduperfarleft |
Dec-19-09 09:57 AM |
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"...tombstoned lunatic who posted low-information OPs like this one ..." gee thanks |
SoCalDem |
Dec-19-09 10:07 AM |
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I meant to direct "low-information" towards you, not the lunatic part. |
superduperfarleft |
Dec-19-09 10:31 AM |
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left-handed "apology" , semi-accepted |
SoCalDem |
Dec-19-09 10:33 AM |
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I hear what you're saying, and you obviously have a point. |
BurtWorm |
Dec-19-09 10:08 AM |
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Don't get me wrong, I think care reform is needed as well. |
superduperfarleft |
Dec-19-09 10:35 AM |
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You know not of whom you speak. nt |
Lorien |
Dec-20-09 02:52 AM |
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change |
maglatinavi |
Dec-19-09 10:00 AM |
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You are both right. |
DefenseLawyer |
Dec-19-09 09:52 AM |
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It's all insurance, just a matter of who funds it. You are right. We were |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-19-09 10:21 AM |
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yes, and it's "reform" along the lines of the so-called "Consumer Protection Act" |
ixion |
Dec-19-09 09:39 AM |
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Did you read any of Obama's proposals? |
BzaDem |
Dec-19-09 09:43 AM |
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Personally, I have fantastic coverage through a union plan |
SoCalDem |
Dec-19-09 09:50 AM |
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What you're talking about is insurance reform. n/t |
superduperfarleft |
Dec-19-09 09:51 AM |
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O proposals |
maglatinavi |
Dec-19-09 10:10 AM |
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This is NOT the change I voted for.... |
Hepburn |
Dec-19-09 09:44 AM |
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Damn straight.... |
daleanime |
Dec-19-09 09:48 AM |
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You're exactly right. Big difference between "care" and "insurance." |
Vinca |
Dec-19-09 09:49 AM |
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I knew which word you meant before I opened the thread. |
GreenEyedLefty |
Dec-19-09 09:57 AM |
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Until the system is changed, nothing will really change. |
AndyA |
Dec-19-09 09:58 AM |
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I guess Obama the progressive-sounding candidate |
branders seine |
Dec-19-09 10:04 AM |
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Real Title is 'Insurance Industry Profit Enhancement and Protection Act of 2009' |
pissedoff01 |
Dec-19-09 10:09 AM |
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a la "Clear Skies" & "Healthy Forests" |
SoCalDem |
Dec-19-09 10:10 AM |
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And THAT kicks in immediately. |
Octafish |
Dec-19-09 10:11 AM |
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Thanks! |
pissedoff01 |
Dec-19-09 10:12 AM |
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similar to the commodities and futures modernization act that brought us credit default swaps |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-20-09 02:58 AM |
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Dec-19-09 10:19 AM |
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Merry Christmas to you too:) |
SoCalDem |
Dec-19-09 10:21 AM |
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That one word moved the entire focus of the debate from universal coverage. |
Octafish |
Dec-19-09 10:24 AM |
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Young people would be wise to evaluate their job options |
SoCalDem |
Dec-19-09 10:29 AM |
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Some societies value their elders for their wisdom and love. |
Octafish |
Dec-19-09 10:53 AM |
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It's ironic, isn't it? |
SoCalDem |
Dec-19-09 10:59 AM |
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It's exactly how it works. Brilliant find. |
Gregorian |
Dec-19-09 11:36 AM |
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Yep - that's about the time I figured it had all gone South |
Triana |
Dec-19-09 11:56 PM |
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once most of the Boomers have croaked, there will probably be another chance |
SoCalDem |
Dec-20-09 09:26 AM |
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We don't need no stinkin' insurance. |
undeterred |
Dec-20-09 12:15 AM |
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Americans need health care, not health insurance. |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-20-09 02:56 AM |
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