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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 08:11 PM
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20. Or perhaps we as a country have become too timid
about asking for investigations of wrongdoing in our political and business dealings.

Or was there something in one of the articles that indicated this was more than a provocative request to draw attention to potential misdealings by a Republican fundraiser? I say we are better off nipping any potential Lee Atwaters in the bud. If they choose to investigate, and they find she did nothing wrong, will she go to jail? If they investigate and find that she did do illegal things, should she not be required to pay the consequences?
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  -Grayson wants to send critic to jail for five years rayofreason  Dec-18-09 07:25 PM   #0 
  - Actually it isn't. It's not the criticism, it's the deception.  Jim Sagle   Dec-18-09 07:29 PM   #1 
  - She's the head of the Lake County Republican party to boot  dmr   Dec-19-09 12:44 AM   #63 
  - Disappointing.  gateley   Dec-18-09 07:31 PM   #2 
  - Maybe his ego is out of control  robcon   Dec-18-09 07:32 PM   #3 
  - I don't believe Grayson is posturing. The Web site creator has lied to federal officials  johnfunk   Dec-18-09 08:01 PM   #14 
  - I've always thought there was something "off" about him. n/t  cali   Dec-18-09 07:37 PM   #4 
  - There's nothing 'off' about calling a liar a liar!  sabrina 1   Dec-18-09 07:44 PM   #7 
  - Calling a liar a liar is fine...  rayofreason   Dec-18-09 07:52 PM   #10 
     - I missed the part of the article  quakerboy   Dec-18-09 08:07 PM   #18 
     - If the law allows him to, more power to him  JVS   Dec-18-09 08:33 PM   #26 
  - Well Cali...  trumad   Dec-19-09 06:32 AM   #77 
     - +100  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-19-09 08:45 AM   #83 
  - Free speech or Deceptive speech? I'm not an attorney but this sounds like defamation of character?  midnight   Dec-18-09 07:38 PM   #5 
  - I don't think you can defame a congressman.  rayofreason   Dec-18-09 07:45 PM   #8 
     - Did you read his complaint?  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 09:31 PM   #38 
  - I don't think free speech as defined by the Founding  sabrina 1   Dec-18-09 07:41 PM   #6 
  - I don't think you understand free speech.  rayofreason   Dec-18-09 07:49 PM   #9 
  - True, political speech in the found father's time was rather... spirited  NobleCynic   Dec-18-09 07:56 PM   #12 
  - They still close the bars in PA on election day during polling hours  AllentownJake   Dec-18-09 08:07 PM   #17 
  - Early elections were nothing but shit flinging and vote buying  AllentownJake   Dec-18-09 08:06 PM   #15 
  - Oh my god yes. I've read some of the stuff they said to each other back then.  Danger Mouse   Dec-18-09 08:09 PM   #19 
  - Are you saying our opponents can use these worst tactics  clear eye   Dec-19-09 01:00 AM   #65 
  - come on....  mike_c   Dec-18-09 07:55 PM   #11 
  - She's raising money and skirting campaign donation limits by claiming ...  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 08:57 PM   #28 
  - Because fund-raising is involved,  clear eye   Dec-19-09 01:05 AM   #66 
  - hahahahahaha. your ignorance is showing. that you know fuck all  cali   Dec-18-09 08:07 PM   #16 
     - and more power to him for trying to do so  ldf   Dec-18-09 11:00 PM   #57 
     - Would you prefer this being replicated all over the country as Republicans  clear eye   Dec-19-09 01:10 AM   #67 
     - I know a great deal about the speech at the time.  sabrina 1   Dec-19-09 01:44 AM   #72 
     - No, YOUR ignorance is showing that YOU know fuck all!  rd_kent   Dec-19-09 03:28 PM   #93 
  - The asshat who put up the website deserves it -for flat out lying  WillYourVoteBCounted   Dec-18-09 07:58 PM   #13 
  - By that standard, there goes The Onion - and Jon Stewart, Steve Colbert, & SNL, for that matter...nt  apocalypsehow   Dec-18-09 08:28 PM   #23 
  - When those folks you mention start fund-raising and fraudulently filing FEC forms ..  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 09:02 PM   #30 
  - Oh, my point is spot-on - and it stands undisputed. Nice try, though. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Dec-18-09 09:03 PM   #31 
     - Do those folks raise money? Have they filed FEC forms? No. Your point doesn't mean shit.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 09:11 PM   #33 
     - You're changing the subject. That's not a very honest way to discuss things among adults. Return to  apocalypsehow   Dec-18-09 09:29 PM   #37 
        - No problem. Just so you are straight on the issue of free speech versus FEC fund-raising laws.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 09:34 PM   #40 
           - I posted nothing about FEC fund-raising laws. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Your serial dishonesty in implying so,  apocalypsehow   Dec-18-09 09:37 PM   #41 
              - You posted in a thread that is about EXACTLY THAT and made an analogy to entertainers.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 09:48 PM   #43 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-09 09:54 PM   #45 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-09 09:56 PM   #47 
                    - My guess is that your adversary has just "ignored" you  clear eye   Dec-19-09 01:17 AM   #69 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-09 08:36 AM   #82 
                       - Correct. At this point it's better to let the MODs take out the trash.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-19-09 01:28 PM   #89 
     - Are they raising funds for Republican candidates  sabrina 1   Dec-19-09 02:11 PM   #90 
  - Gee, did they raise campaign funds by falsifying where they live?  clear eye   Dec-19-09 01:13 AM   #68 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-09 08:50 AM   #84 
  - See post 24 to join the lawsuit. nt.  WriteDown   Dec-18-09 08:34 PM   #27 
  - Or perhaps we as a country have become too timid  quakerboy   Dec-18-09 08:11 PM   #20 
  - She's raising money to unseat him, saying she's a constituent when she isn't.  Marr   Dec-18-09 08:23 PM   #21 
  - Good for him. I support his effort to force his critics to at least not lie.  kestrel91316   Dec-18-09 08:24 PM   #22 
  - Exactly! Who here will join my class action suit against  WriteDown   Dec-18-09 08:31 PM   #24 
     - When MySpace starts raising funds and fraudulently filling out FEC forms, you might have a point.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 09:25 PM   #36 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-09 09:40 PM   #42 
        - LOL. You would rather have this discussion be about Jon Stewart and his lies.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 09:52 PM   #44 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-09 09:54 PM   #46 
              - Hey, I was just pointing out your bogus analogy.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 10:02 PM   #48 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-09 10:06 PM   #49 
                    - Difficult to comprehend the mentality that wears itself out pretending it can't read.  apocalypsehow   Dec-18-09 10:08 PM   #50 
        - Looks like its now a "committee" so I doubt anything will come from this  WriteDown   Dec-19-09 12:37 AM   #61 
           - I'm not sure what you mean by "now" it's a committee?  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-19-09 08:33 AM   #81 
  - She shouldn't lie about her district  JVS   Dec-18-09 08:31 PM   #25 
  - She can lie about her district all she wants. She just can't do that and raise funds.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 09:14 PM   #34 
  - I'll take "What is US Code: Title 18, 1001?" for $100,000  varelse   Dec-18-09 09:00 PM   #29 
  - Good points raised here.  RedCloud   Dec-18-09 09:18 PM   #35 
  - Thank you  varelse   Dec-19-09 03:26 PM   #92 
  - You mean there's been a law against astroturfing the whole time?!  rucky   Dec-18-09 10:12 PM   #51 
  - Sure there has.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 10:25 PM   #54 
  - See post 61, nt  WriteDown   Dec-19-09 12:39 AM   #62 
     - You wanted me to visit the smear site?  varelse   Dec-19-09 03:24 PM   #91 
  - Oh, hell yes. Gulag all those RW MF'rs. Re-education camps all around..  galileoreloaded   Dec-18-09 09:09 PM   #32 
  - And here we see that "moderates" and "centrists" at DU would rather side with someone committing...  JVS   Dec-18-09 09:33 PM   #39 
  - Sad. I think some people just read the headline and the Politico spin.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 10:21 PM   #53 
  - She's a Republican. Grayson hates Republicans. What's so hard to understand?  jgraz   Dec-18-09 10:19 PM   #52 
  - Ohfergodssake. DUers are the most fickle bunch I've ever known in my life. Last month you wanted...  Hekate   Dec-18-09 10:26 PM   #55 
  - LOL. So true.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 10:37 PM   #56 
  - Arresting someone for that is excessing  Juche   Dec-18-09 11:08 PM   #58 
  - You are assuming there ISN'T a suit planned.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-18-09 11:35 PM   #59 
  - I'll say something that's unpopular.  Meldread   Dec-19-09 12:23 AM   #60 
  - We go by his stances and votes.  clear eye   Dec-19-09 01:28 AM   #70 
     - I don't doubt that he's a progressive.  Meldread   Dec-19-09 03:52 AM   #73 
        - I wish more Dems would put on that type of show.  clear eye   Dec-19-09 06:45 AM   #78 
           - The other side calls us grandma killers, baby killers, commies, socialists ...  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-19-09 08:52 AM   #86 
  - If he feels that this is a lie  Angry Dragon   Dec-19-09 12:45 AM   #64 
  - And all it takes is a Politico smear against him for you to push him under a bus.  clear eye   Dec-19-09 01:31 AM   #71 
  - I've never been caught up in the Grayson swooning  cali   Dec-19-09 04:00 AM   #74 
     - So, friend, who are the "good" Jewish elected officials in your opinion? n/t  clear eye   Dec-19-09 06:21 AM   #76 
        - wtf? there are lots of non-jewish members of Congress who  cali   Dec-19-09 06:49 AM   #79 
  - if you can't stand the heat, at least don't sweat when you're in the kitchen - stoopid move Grayson  tomm2thumbs   Dec-19-09 04:13 AM   #75 
  - Taking on an illegal PAC is beneath him?  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-19-09 08:29 AM   #80 
     - I'm just saying he could have had one of his people write the letter - it is beneath him for me  tomm2thumbs   Dec-19-09 09:24 AM   #87 
        - I get where you are coming from.  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-19-09 09:34 AM   #88 
  - the posters here falling for this distortion are either  ima_sinnic   Dec-19-09 08:52 AM   #85 

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