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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:52 PM
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40. Of course Joseph was really the father according to Mathew 1:1-17
Matthew 1:1 says:
The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


The remainder of the verses go though the genealogy starting with Abraham and ending with Joseph.

This makes no sense unless Joseph supplied the sperm. Of course, that is possible without there having been actual penetration, so Mary may still have technically been a virgin with an intact hymen.
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  -So...Jesus was illegitimate? trof  Dec-16-09 09:55 AM   #0 
  - The Lord is perfectly okay with abortion. He performs thousands himself, every day. n/t  dustbunnie   Dec-16-09 09:58 AM   #1 
  - too many steroids, chuckie, too many steroids  spanone   Dec-16-09 10:00 AM   #2 
  - Now why would Chuckie diss ol' Mary like that.  lapfog_1   Dec-16-09 10:01 AM   #3 
  - No, Jesus was not illegitimate. It's called "immaculate  Fire1   Dec-16-09 10:02 AM   #4 
  - "Immaculate conception" refers to the conception of Mary  FarCenter   Dec-16-09 10:32 AM   #8 
  - This Never Made Sense  RobinA   Dec-16-09 11:47 AM   #17 
  - A fable to one is fact to another. I don't see how intelligent  Fire1   Dec-16-09 12:02 PM   #22 
  - so she would not soil god's penis, she had to be special.  CBGLuthier   Dec-16-09 03:39 PM   #43 
  - No shit sherlock! It is because of the immaculate conception  Fire1   Dec-16-09 11:57 AM   #21 
  - Immaculate conception refers to Mary not inheriting original sin.  JVS   Dec-16-09 10:32 AM   #9 
  - Who said it refers to original sin?? n/t  Fire1   Dec-16-09 12:03 PM   #23 
     - Pius IX, although the first person to say that it is about original sin is a detail lost to the ages  JVS   Dec-16-09 12:52 PM   #27 
        - Ok. you mean, "WITHOUT" original sin, thus immaculate.  Fire1   Dec-16-09 01:05 PM   #28 
           - Yeah, thus "not inheriting"  JVS   Dec-16-09 01:07 PM   #29 
  - Long story short :  Arugula Latte   Dec-16-09 03:46 PM   #45 
  - I forget - which came first? The pregnancy or the marriage? I forget.  rurallib   Dec-16-09 10:05 AM   #5 
  - The pregnancy came first  Sanity Claws   Dec-16-09 10:25 AM   #7 
     - Holy cow...more twists and turns than an episode of "Jerry Springer"  pipi_k   Dec-16-09 04:40 PM   #54 
  - Luckily, Mary and Joseph lived in a Republican Paradise:  Turbineguy   Dec-16-09 10:07 AM   #6 
  - Pontius Pilate needs to produce a copy of the 'long-form' live birth certificate  Brother Buzz   Dec-16-09 10:42 AM   #10 
  - Didn't the shepards get there before the wise men?  FarCenter   Dec-16-09 02:34 PM   #37 
     - Did the shepards bear gifts?  Brother Buzz   Dec-16-09 02:44 PM   #39 
  - Me thinks one of the wise men has some 'splainin to do.  izzybeans   Dec-16-09 10:56 AM   #11 
  - I Thought  RobinA   Dec-16-09 11:51 AM   #18 
     - I don't know with the trade routes and things, I'd travel that far to  izzybeans   Dec-16-09 03:58 PM   #47 
  - I've heard that from right wingers  treestar   Dec-16-09 10:58 AM   #12 
  - No. Jesus was imaginary...nt  SidDithers   Dec-16-09 10:59 AM   #13 
  - Exactly (nt)  mr blur   Dec-16-09 11:34 AM   #15 
  - This is simply incorrect. He was a historical person (though his real name was not Jesus)  Romulox   Dec-16-09 11:56 AM   #20 
     - The Romans, famous for their meticulous bookkeeping, have no record of Pontius Pilate  librechik   Dec-16-09 01:16 PM   #33 
        - There is a stone with part of Pontius Pilate's name in the inscription  FarCenter   Dec-16-09 02:44 PM   #38 
        - thanks for the link--interesting n/t  librechik   Dec-16-09 03:59 PM   #49 
        - Jesus is referenced by several non-christian sources...  Romulox   Dec-16-09 03:32 PM   #41 
        - sorry, can't document no evidence. thanks for the link  librechik   Dec-16-09 04:00 PM   #50 
        - That's simply not true. You may be thinking of "can't prove a negative"  Romulox   Dec-16-09 04:14 PM   #51 
           - I'm sorry--I gave you a link--to the man who translated the Dead Sea Scrolls  librechik   Dec-16-09 04:28 PM   #52 
              - The post upthread contained no link.  Romulox   Dec-16-09 04:33 PM   #53 
                 - by golly you're right, just put up the Amazon pic  librechik   Dec-16-09 04:41 PM   #55 
        - Yeah, but there aren't any contemporary accounts.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Dec-16-09 04:42 PM   #56 
        - Here's some evidence of Pilate, btw.  Romulox   Dec-16-09 03:36 PM   #42 
           - thanks for that--interesting if it can be established as from the era  librechik   Dec-16-09 03:58 PM   #48 
  - That which you do to the least of these... n/t  Orsino   Dec-16-09 11:23 AM   #14 
  - This is a perfect example of what happens...  Jello Biafra   Dec-16-09 11:40 AM   #16 
  - it would have been HER choice...not herod's.  dysfunctional press   Dec-16-09 11:53 AM   #19 
  - Exactly what care did Joseph and Mary receive anyway?  Winterblues   Dec-16-09 12:20 PM   #24 
  - If Chuck Norris thinks that there was no abortion or birth control  LibertyLover   Dec-16-09 12:30 PM   #25 
  - Jesus's father is also the father of Jesus's mother  montanto   Dec-16-09 12:30 PM   #26 
  - yup--no birth certificate either!  librechik   Dec-16-09 01:07 PM   #30 
  - Jesus was the Sun  DefenseLawyer   Dec-16-09 01:13 PM   #31 
  - He doesn't know what he's talking about  cmkramer   Dec-16-09 01:15 PM   #32 
  - Even then, 'abstinence' didn't work. nt  Obamanaut   Dec-16-09 02:10 PM   #34 
  - I posted this a while back...  Javaman   Dec-16-09 02:11 PM   #35 
  - No child is "illegitimate" except in the eyes of hard-hearted people.  GreenPartyVoter   Dec-16-09 02:15 PM   #36 
  - Of course Joseph was really the father according to Mathew 1:1-17  FarCenter   Dec-16-09 02:52 PM   #40 
  - Interestingly, the genealogy mentions three women who wouldn't  deutsey   Dec-16-09 03:55 PM   #46 
  - Whatever you do:  Guy Whitey Corngood   Dec-16-09 03:42 PM   #44 
 

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