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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:05 PM
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56. NO ONE is saying to continue with nothing.
Did you read what I wrote?

The House bill is the better of the two bills. Dean suggests it is the one to move forward with at this point. Sheesh.
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  -The Plum Line: Howard Dean: Kill The Senate Bill madfloridian  Dec-15-09 02:15 PM   #0 
  - Howad Dean is a wealthy man with Health Insurance...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:17 PM   #1 
  - I don't think you get it.  madfloridian   Dec-15-09 02:18 PM   #4 
  - I don't either.  FLAprogressive   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #7 
  - I agree. I think this is the way it was designed to work out..... Lots of confustion.  midnight   Dec-15-09 02:22 PM   #15 
  - On another thread I just told this same poster -  DURHAM D   Dec-15-09 02:22 PM   #16 
  - Killing a bill and allowing the existing system to stand is immoral...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #22 
     - This "reform" is no more moral than the current system. Fail nt  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:27 PM   #31 
     - I hope  Old Codger   Dec-15-09 02:31 PM   #42 
     - I agree with you Old Codger  Carni   Dec-16-09 02:10 PM   #89 
     - I agree. While the Senate Bill now doesn't have everything I want it will still  quiller4   Dec-15-09 03:12 PM   #58 
  - So you'd rather have half-assed health care "reform" instead of real reform?  FLAprogressive   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #5 
  - There's no reform if we kill the bill, either. Period.  TheWraith   Dec-15-09 02:23 PM   #20 
  - There's no reform if we pass this bill, either nt  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:28 PM   #33 
     - Bullshit. No more pre-existing conditions. No dropping the sick.  TheWraith   Dec-15-09 06:38 PM   #72 
        - But it's so wonderful that they are charging older people twice as much for the same insurance  eridani   Dec-16-09 01:58 AM   #84 
           - No, they're not. The current multiplier is 3. They will charge older people 3 times as much. nt  laughingliberal   Dec-16-09 02:03 AM   #85 
  - Any reform, even covering just half an ass, is better than the system we have.  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:26 PM   #30 
  - His concern is noted. This guy is trolling for a flame war ... let it go.  thunder rising   Dec-15-09 02:30 PM   #37 
  - I don't think that's entirely fair. Yes, we can't and don't want to kill the bill.  TheWraith   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #9 
  - You are absolutly right. All or nothing thinking...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:28 PM   #34 
  - Giving hundreds of billions of tax dollars to the insurance industry  coti   Dec-15-09 02:20 PM   #12 
  - but it's "reform" and it's a win for Obama. that's all that matters to some.  FLAprogressive   Dec-15-09 02:21 PM   #14 
  - No it's not. Don't be absurd. nt  TheWraith   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #23 
  - It will cover people who are dying without insurance...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:29 PM   #36 
     - And what is the monthly premium for those people dying without insurance?  SOS   Dec-15-09 05:31 PM   #68 
  - 20 million of those without insurance now will still not have any with the current bill  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #21 
  - self delete  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:25 PM   #28 
  - The "anything is better than nothing" attitude has to stop.  AndyA   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #25 
  - To say it is better for 50+ million people to continue with nothing must stop...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:33 PM   #43 
  - The so-called change may be unaffordable for those who need it the most.  madfloridian   Dec-15-09 02:36 PM   #45 
  - NO ONE is saying to continue with nothing.  AndyA   Dec-15-09 03:05 PM   #56 
  - If no Senate bill is passed, the house bill dies...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 05:04 PM   #66 
     - One thing's for certain: If this bill passes, or if nothing passes, Obama will be a ONE TERM  AndyA   Dec-15-09 05:18 PM   #67 
        - I am not going to worry about 2012 until after the midterms in 2010...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 09:11 PM   #81 
  - Sure, under this bill only 20 million of them will be left behind. The ones who get coverage will  laughingliberal   Dec-16-09 02:06 AM   #86 
  - Yes, it is a dangerous thing to accept just anything so easily.  madfloridian   Dec-15-09 02:33 PM   #44 
  - Walk very carefully around that statement ... Dean has done more for the Democrats than any other  thunder rising   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #27 
  - +1 "Dean has done more for the Democrats than any other person."  phasma ex machina   Dec-15-09 07:05 PM   #76 
  - This bill is not going to slow down medical related bankruptcies one bit. It may, in fact, increase  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:37 PM   #47 
  - Uh..  kirby   Dec-15-09 02:37 PM   #48 
  - Still at it with your Howard hate on?  Jax   Dec-15-09 06:39 PM   #73 
  - amen - Howard Dean doesn't have to worry about catastrophic loss and early death if something  Maru Kitteh   Dec-15-09 06:59 PM   #75 
  - This new Leibercare Bill won't help anything.  The Gunslinger   Dec-15-09 08:34 PM   #79 
  - We need to get that out there in the vernacular. Liebercare. It's brilliant nt  laughingliberal   Dec-16-09 02:08 AM   #87 
  - Nothing will change at all with this legislation--  eridani   Dec-16-09 01:57 AM   #83 
  - Totally agree. nt  coti   Dec-15-09 02:17 PM   #2 
  - Thanks Madfloridian. K & R.  truedelphi   Dec-15-09 02:17 PM   #3 
  - I suppose this will be explained away as the voter not understanding blah, blah  midnight   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #6 
  - Dean is not perfect but he's not immoral  Generator   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #8 
  - K&R  FLAprogressive   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #10 
  - I heartily agree.  Liberty Belle   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #11 
  - There you go.  Skinner   Dec-15-09 02:21 PM   #13 
  - K N R  AzDar   Dec-15-09 02:22 PM   #17 
  - Dean is right.  Andy823   Dec-15-09 02:22 PM   #18 
  - Good to know what he's thinking about it - I agree it's best to kill the bill. nt  polichick   Dec-15-09 02:23 PM   #19 
  - Thank you!  Blasphemer   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #24 
  - K&R.  tsuki   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #26 
  - Thanks for putting this up here. K & R.  chill_wind   Dec-15-09 02:26 PM   #29 
  - K&R. Mandating purchase of overpriced insurance is not only a gift to Big Insurance, but to the GOP!  Faryn Balyncd   Dec-15-09 02:27 PM   #32 
  - More from Greg Sargent at The Plum Line  madfloridian   Dec-15-09 02:29 PM   #35 
  - Will the Democratic leadership sacrifice their political power to please their owners?  Marr   Dec-15-09 02:31 PM   #38 
  - Looks that way at this point, yes. nt  laughingliberal   Dec-16-09 02:09 AM   #88 
  - Is there some sort of guarantee of what would come out of reconciliation?  TwilightGardener   Dec-15-09 02:31 PM   #39 
  - Dean is still so respected by progressives - someone to keep in mind...  polichick   Dec-15-09 02:31 PM   #40 
  - Thank you Howard Dean!!!! Big thumbs UP!! n/t  beaglelover   Dec-15-09 02:31 PM   #41 
  - I agree.....kill this Senate piece of shit  Zodiak   Dec-15-09 02:36 PM   #46 
  - I'm with Dean. Send this stinking pile of manure to the gabage dump it belongs in nt  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:40 PM   #49 
  - There is a simple test that will show you how good this plan is, and for whom.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-15-09 02:41 PM   #50 
  - If there was a stock for the American people, it would have tanked when the leadership caved  Faryn Balyncd   Dec-15-09 02:49 PM   #53 
  - Yep, people do ignore that.  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:49 PM   #54 
  - Have you been watching the ticker? Insurance stocks are down.  quiller4   Dec-15-09 03:14 PM   #60 
  - ... Speaks for me.  Ignis   Dec-15-09 02:43 PM   #51 
  - I trust and respect him. If he says it's no good, it's no good.  closeupready   Dec-15-09 02:43 PM   #52 
  - I trust him on some issues but he is too much of a purist for me.  quiller4   Dec-15-09 03:14 PM   #59 
     - I think the calculus here is that Dean knows if  closeupready   Dec-15-09 03:35 PM   #62 
     - No, Howard is not a purist. That's just absurd.  cali   Dec-15-09 03:40 PM   #64 
  - Kicking for the good doc..  democrank   Dec-15-09 02:58 PM   #55 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Dec-15-09 03:06 PM   #57 
  - I trust Howard Dean's political instincts on this issue. I hope we can have his interview to hear.  David Zephyr   Dec-15-09 03:19 PM   #61 
  - here you go, David  cali   Dec-15-09 03:39 PM   #63 
     - cali, is there a link?  David Zephyr   Dec-15-09 06:05 PM   #69 
        - David, I'm such a dunce. My apologies. Here's the link.  cali   Dec-15-09 06:40 PM   #74 
           - Thank you for the link. Dean speaks for me. That's all I needed to hear.  David Zephyr   Dec-15-09 08:32 PM   #77 
  - That's it for me, then.  WeDidIt   Dec-15-09 03:40 PM   #65 
  - Yep.  David Zephyr   Dec-15-09 08:32 PM   #78 
  - Here is the transcript and audio from VPR  madfloridian   Dec-15-09 06:09 PM   #70 
  - thanks  optimator   Dec-15-09 06:36 PM   #71 
  - (FDL) He's not alone --  chill_wind   Dec-15-09 09:06 PM   #80 
  - k&r for the Good Doctor Dean. Kill the bill. n/t  Laelth   Dec-15-09 09:41 PM   #82 

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