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Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 02:31 PM
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42. I hope
Or I imagine you must have an employer paid health insurance so you will not be forced by the mandate to buy any yourself so you don't care that the rest wil be forced to pay whatever the insurance companies decide to charge or face severe taxes and or jail time if they cannot afford it, you also seem to be good with the idea of giving the insurance industry a HUGE christmas gift and screwing the middle class (or what is left of that class).
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  -The Plum Line: Howard Dean: Kill The Senate Bill madfloridian  Dec-15-09 02:15 PM   #0 
  - Howad Dean is a wealthy man with Health Insurance...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:17 PM   #1 
  - I don't think you get it.  madfloridian   Dec-15-09 02:18 PM   #4 
  - I don't either.  FLAprogressive   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #7 
  - I agree. I think this is the way it was designed to work out..... Lots of confustion.  midnight   Dec-15-09 02:22 PM   #15 
  - On another thread I just told this same poster -  DURHAM D   Dec-15-09 02:22 PM   #16 
  - Killing a bill and allowing the existing system to stand is immoral...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #22 
     - This "reform" is no more moral than the current system. Fail nt  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:27 PM   #31 
     - I hope  Old Codger   Dec-15-09 02:31 PM   #42 
     - I agree with you Old Codger  Carni   Dec-16-09 02:10 PM   #89 
     - I agree. While the Senate Bill now doesn't have everything I want it will still  quiller4   Dec-15-09 03:12 PM   #58 
  - So you'd rather have half-assed health care "reform" instead of real reform?  FLAprogressive   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #5 
  - There's no reform if we kill the bill, either. Period.  TheWraith   Dec-15-09 02:23 PM   #20 
  - There's no reform if we pass this bill, either nt  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:28 PM   #33 
     - Bullshit. No more pre-existing conditions. No dropping the sick.  TheWraith   Dec-15-09 06:38 PM   #72 
        - But it's so wonderful that they are charging older people twice as much for the same insurance  eridani   Dec-16-09 01:58 AM   #84 
           - No, they're not. The current multiplier is 3. They will charge older people 3 times as much. nt  laughingliberal   Dec-16-09 02:03 AM   #85 
  - Any reform, even covering just half an ass, is better than the system we have.  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:26 PM   #30 
  - His concern is noted. This guy is trolling for a flame war ... let it go.  thunder rising   Dec-15-09 02:30 PM   #37 
  - I don't think that's entirely fair. Yes, we can't and don't want to kill the bill.  TheWraith   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #9 
  - You are absolutly right. All or nothing thinking...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:28 PM   #34 
  - Giving hundreds of billions of tax dollars to the insurance industry  coti   Dec-15-09 02:20 PM   #12 
  - but it's "reform" and it's a win for Obama. that's all that matters to some.  FLAprogressive   Dec-15-09 02:21 PM   #14 
  - No it's not. Don't be absurd. nt  TheWraith   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #23 
  - It will cover people who are dying without insurance...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:29 PM   #36 
     - And what is the monthly premium for those people dying without insurance?  SOS   Dec-15-09 05:31 PM   #68 
  - 20 million of those without insurance now will still not have any with the current bill  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #21 
  - self delete  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:25 PM   #28 
  - The "anything is better than nothing" attitude has to stop.  AndyA   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #25 
  - To say it is better for 50+ million people to continue with nothing must stop...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 02:33 PM   #43 
  - The so-called change may be unaffordable for those who need it the most.  madfloridian   Dec-15-09 02:36 PM   #45 
  - NO ONE is saying to continue with nothing.  AndyA   Dec-15-09 03:05 PM   #56 
  - If no Senate bill is passed, the house bill dies...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 05:04 PM   #66 
     - One thing's for certain: If this bill passes, or if nothing passes, Obama will be a ONE TERM  AndyA   Dec-15-09 05:18 PM   #67 
        - I am not going to worry about 2012 until after the midterms in 2010...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-15-09 09:11 PM   #81 
  - Sure, under this bill only 20 million of them will be left behind. The ones who get coverage will  laughingliberal   Dec-16-09 02:06 AM   #86 
  - Yes, it is a dangerous thing to accept just anything so easily.  madfloridian   Dec-15-09 02:33 PM   #44 
  - Walk very carefully around that statement ... Dean has done more for the Democrats than any other  thunder rising   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #27 
  - +1 "Dean has done more for the Democrats than any other person."  phasma ex machina   Dec-15-09 07:05 PM   #76 
  - This bill is not going to slow down medical related bankruptcies one bit. It may, in fact, increase  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:37 PM   #47 
  - Uh..  kirby   Dec-15-09 02:37 PM   #48 
  - Still at it with your Howard hate on?  Jax   Dec-15-09 06:39 PM   #73 
  - amen - Howard Dean doesn't have to worry about catastrophic loss and early death if something  Maru Kitteh   Dec-15-09 06:59 PM   #75 
  - This new Leibercare Bill won't help anything.  The Gunslinger   Dec-15-09 08:34 PM   #79 
  - We need to get that out there in the vernacular. Liebercare. It's brilliant nt  laughingliberal   Dec-16-09 02:08 AM   #87 
  - Nothing will change at all with this legislation--  eridani   Dec-16-09 01:57 AM   #83 
  - Totally agree. nt  coti   Dec-15-09 02:17 PM   #2 
  - Thanks Madfloridian. K & R.  truedelphi   Dec-15-09 02:17 PM   #3 
  - I suppose this will be explained away as the voter not understanding blah, blah  midnight   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #6 
  - Dean is not perfect but he's not immoral  Generator   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #8 
  - K&R  FLAprogressive   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #10 
  - I heartily agree.  Liberty Belle   Dec-15-09 02:19 PM   #11 
  - There you go.  Skinner   Dec-15-09 02:21 PM   #13 
  - K N R  AzDar   Dec-15-09 02:22 PM   #17 
  - Dean is right.  Andy823   Dec-15-09 02:22 PM   #18 
  - Good to know what he's thinking about it - I agree it's best to kill the bill. nt  polichick   Dec-15-09 02:23 PM   #19 
  - Thank you!  Blasphemer   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #24 
  - K&R.  tsuki   Dec-15-09 02:24 PM   #26 
  - Thanks for putting this up here. K & R.  chill_wind   Dec-15-09 02:26 PM   #29 
  - K&R. Mandating purchase of overpriced insurance is not only a gift to Big Insurance, but to the GOP!  Faryn Balyncd   Dec-15-09 02:27 PM   #32 
  - More from Greg Sargent at The Plum Line  madfloridian   Dec-15-09 02:29 PM   #35 
  - Will the Democratic leadership sacrifice their political power to please their owners?  Marr   Dec-15-09 02:31 PM   #38 
  - Looks that way at this point, yes. nt  laughingliberal   Dec-16-09 02:09 AM   #88 
  - Is there some sort of guarantee of what would come out of reconciliation?  TwilightGardener   Dec-15-09 02:31 PM   #39 
  - Dean is still so respected by progressives - someone to keep in mind...  polichick   Dec-15-09 02:31 PM   #40 
  - Thank you Howard Dean!!!! Big thumbs UP!! n/t  beaglelover   Dec-15-09 02:31 PM   #41 
  - I agree.....kill this Senate piece of shit  Zodiak   Dec-15-09 02:36 PM   #46 
  - I'm with Dean. Send this stinking pile of manure to the gabage dump it belongs in nt  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:40 PM   #49 
  - There is a simple test that will show you how good this plan is, and for whom.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-15-09 02:41 PM   #50 
  - If there was a stock for the American people, it would have tanked when the leadership caved  Faryn Balyncd   Dec-15-09 02:49 PM   #53 
  - Yep, people do ignore that.  laughingliberal   Dec-15-09 02:49 PM   #54 
  - Have you been watching the ticker? Insurance stocks are down.  quiller4   Dec-15-09 03:14 PM   #60 
  - ... Speaks for me.  Ignis   Dec-15-09 02:43 PM   #51 
  - I trust and respect him. If he says it's no good, it's no good.  closeupready   Dec-15-09 02:43 PM   #52 
  - I trust him on some issues but he is too much of a purist for me.  quiller4   Dec-15-09 03:14 PM   #59 
     - I think the calculus here is that Dean knows if  closeupready   Dec-15-09 03:35 PM   #62 
     - No, Howard is not a purist. That's just absurd.  cali   Dec-15-09 03:40 PM   #64 
  - Kicking for the good doc..  democrank   Dec-15-09 02:58 PM   #55 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Dec-15-09 03:06 PM   #57 
  - I trust Howard Dean's political instincts on this issue. I hope we can have his interview to hear.  David Zephyr   Dec-15-09 03:19 PM   #61 
  - here you go, David  cali   Dec-15-09 03:39 PM   #63 
     - cali, is there a link?  David Zephyr   Dec-15-09 06:05 PM   #69 
        - David, I'm such a dunce. My apologies. Here's the link.  cali   Dec-15-09 06:40 PM   #74 
           - Thank you for the link. Dean speaks for me. That's all I needed to hear.  David Zephyr   Dec-15-09 08:32 PM   #77 
  - That's it for me, then.  WeDidIt   Dec-15-09 03:40 PM   #65 
  - Yep.  David Zephyr   Dec-15-09 08:32 PM   #78 
  - Here is the transcript and audio from VPR  madfloridian   Dec-15-09 06:09 PM   #70 
  - thanks  optimator   Dec-15-09 06:36 PM   #71 
  - (FDL) He's not alone --  chill_wind   Dec-15-09 09:06 PM   #80 
  - k&r for the Good Doctor Dean. Kill the bill. n/t  Laelth   Dec-15-09 09:41 PM   #82 
 

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