madfloridian
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Tue Dec-15-09 02:18 PM
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| 4. I don't think you get it. |
| -The Plum Line: Howard Dean: “Kill The Senate Bill” |
madfloridian |
Dec-15-09 02:15 PM |
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Howad Dean is a wealthy man with Health Insurance... |
Ozymanithrax |
Dec-15-09 02:17 PM |
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I don't think you get it. |
madfloridian |
Dec-15-09 02:18 PM |
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I don't either. |
FLAprogressive |
Dec-15-09 02:19 PM |
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I agree. I think this is the way it was designed to work out..... Lots of confustion. |
midnight |
Dec-15-09 02:22 PM |
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On another thread I just told this same poster - |
DURHAM D |
Dec-15-09 02:22 PM |
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Killing a bill and allowing the existing system to stand is immoral... |
Ozymanithrax |
Dec-15-09 02:24 PM |
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This "reform" is no more moral than the current system. Fail nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-15-09 02:27 PM |
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I hope |
Old Codger |
Dec-15-09 02:31 PM |
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I agree with you Old Codger |
Carni |
Dec-16-09 02:10 PM |
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I agree. While the Senate Bill now doesn't have everything I want it will still |
quiller4 |
Dec-15-09 03:12 PM |
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So you'd rather have half-assed health care "reform" instead of real reform? |
FLAprogressive |
Dec-15-09 02:19 PM |
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There's no reform if we kill the bill, either. Period. |
TheWraith |
Dec-15-09 02:23 PM |
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There's no reform if we pass this bill, either nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-15-09 02:28 PM |
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Bullshit. No more pre-existing conditions. No dropping the sick. |
TheWraith |
Dec-15-09 06:38 PM |
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But it's so wonderful that they are charging older people twice as much for the same insurance |
eridani |
Dec-16-09 01:58 AM |
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No, they're not. The current multiplier is 3. They will charge older people 3 times as much. nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-16-09 02:03 AM |
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Any reform, even covering just half an ass, is better than the system we have. |
Ozymanithrax |
Dec-15-09 02:26 PM |
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His concern is noted. This guy is trolling for a flame war ... let it go. |
thunder rising |
Dec-15-09 02:30 PM |
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I don't think that's entirely fair. Yes, we can't and don't want to kill the bill. |
TheWraith |
Dec-15-09 02:19 PM |
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You are absolutly right. All or nothing thinking... |
Ozymanithrax |
Dec-15-09 02:28 PM |
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Giving hundreds of billions of tax dollars to the insurance industry |
coti |
Dec-15-09 02:20 PM |
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but it's "reform" and it's a win for Obama. that's all that matters to some. |
FLAprogressive |
Dec-15-09 02:21 PM |
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No it's not. Don't be absurd. nt |
TheWraith |
Dec-15-09 02:24 PM |
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It will cover people who are dying without insurance... |
Ozymanithrax |
Dec-15-09 02:29 PM |
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And what is the monthly premium for those people dying without insurance? |
SOS |
Dec-15-09 05:31 PM |
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20 million of those without insurance now will still not have any with the current bill |
laughingliberal |
Dec-15-09 02:24 PM |
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self delete |
laughingliberal |
Dec-15-09 02:25 PM |
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The "anything is better than nothing" attitude has to stop. |
AndyA |
Dec-15-09 02:24 PM |
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To say it is better for 50+ million people to continue with nothing must stop... |
Ozymanithrax |
Dec-15-09 02:33 PM |
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The so-called change may be unaffordable for those who need it the most. |
madfloridian |
Dec-15-09 02:36 PM |
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NO ONE is saying to continue with nothing. |
AndyA |
Dec-15-09 03:05 PM |
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If no Senate bill is passed, the house bill dies... |
Ozymanithrax |
Dec-15-09 05:04 PM |
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One thing's for certain: If this bill passes, or if nothing passes, Obama will be a ONE TERM |
AndyA |
Dec-15-09 05:18 PM |
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I am not going to worry about 2012 until after the midterms in 2010... |
Ozymanithrax |
Dec-15-09 09:11 PM |
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Sure, under this bill only 20 million of them will be left behind. The ones who get coverage will |
laughingliberal |
Dec-16-09 02:06 AM |
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Yes, it is a dangerous thing to accept just anything so easily. |
madfloridian |
Dec-15-09 02:33 PM |
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Walk very carefully around that statement ... Dean has done more for the Democrats than any other |
thunder rising |
Dec-15-09 02:24 PM |
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+1 "Dean has done more for the Democrats than any other person." |
phasma ex machina |
Dec-15-09 07:05 PM |
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This bill is not going to slow down medical related bankruptcies one bit. It may, in fact, increase |
laughingliberal |
Dec-15-09 02:37 PM |
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Uh.. |
kirby |
Dec-15-09 02:37 PM |
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Still at it with your Howard hate on? |
Jax |
Dec-15-09 06:39 PM |
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amen - Howard Dean doesn't have to worry about catastrophic loss and early death if something |
Maru Kitteh |
Dec-15-09 06:59 PM |
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This new Leibercare Bill won't help anything. |
The Gunslinger |
Dec-15-09 08:34 PM |
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We need to get that out there in the vernacular. Liebercare. It's brilliant nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-16-09 02:08 AM |
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Nothing will change at all with this legislation-- |
eridani |
Dec-16-09 01:57 AM |
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Totally agree. nt |
coti |
Dec-15-09 02:17 PM |
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Thanks Madfloridian. K & R. |
truedelphi |
Dec-15-09 02:17 PM |
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I suppose this will be explained away as the voter not understanding blah, blah |
midnight |
Dec-15-09 02:19 PM |
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Dean is not perfect but he's not immoral |
Generator |
Dec-15-09 02:19 PM |
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K&R |
FLAprogressive |
Dec-15-09 02:19 PM |
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I heartily agree. |
Liberty Belle |
Dec-15-09 02:19 PM |
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There you go. |
Skinner |
Dec-15-09 02:21 PM |
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K N R |
AzDar |
Dec-15-09 02:22 PM |
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Dean is right. |
Andy823 |
Dec-15-09 02:22 PM |
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Good to know what he's thinking about it - I agree it's best to kill the bill. nt |
polichick |
Dec-15-09 02:23 PM |
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Thank you! |
Blasphemer |
Dec-15-09 02:24 PM |
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K&R. |
tsuki |
Dec-15-09 02:24 PM |
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Thanks for putting this up here. K & R. |
chill_wind |
Dec-15-09 02:26 PM |
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K&R. Mandating purchase of overpriced insurance is not only a gift to Big Insurance, but to the GOP! |
Faryn Balyncd |
Dec-15-09 02:27 PM |
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More from Greg Sargent at The Plum Line |
madfloridian |
Dec-15-09 02:29 PM |
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Will the Democratic leadership sacrifice their political power to please their owners? |
Marr |
Dec-15-09 02:31 PM |
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Looks that way at this point, yes. nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-16-09 02:09 AM |
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Is there some sort of guarantee of what would come out of reconciliation? |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-15-09 02:31 PM |
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Dean is still so respected by progressives - someone to keep in mind... |
polichick |
Dec-15-09 02:31 PM |
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Thank you Howard Dean!!!! Big thumbs UP!! n/t |
beaglelover |
Dec-15-09 02:31 PM |
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I agree.....kill this Senate piece of shit |
Zodiak |
Dec-15-09 02:36 PM |
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I'm with Dean. Send this stinking pile of manure to the gabage dump it belongs in nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-15-09 02:40 PM |
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There is a simple test that will show you how good this plan is, and for whom. |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-15-09 02:41 PM |
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If there was a stock for the American people, it would have tanked when the leadership caved |
Faryn Balyncd |
Dec-15-09 02:49 PM |
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Yep, people do ignore that. |
laughingliberal |
Dec-15-09 02:49 PM |
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Have you been watching the ticker? Insurance stocks are down. |
quiller4 |
Dec-15-09 03:14 PM |
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... Speaks for me. |
Ignis |
Dec-15-09 02:43 PM |
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I trust and respect him. If he says it's no good, it's no good. |
closeupready |
Dec-15-09 02:43 PM |
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I trust him on some issues but he is too much of a purist for me. |
quiller4 |
Dec-15-09 03:14 PM |
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I think the calculus here is that Dean knows if |
closeupready |
Dec-15-09 03:35 PM |
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No, Howard is not a purist. That's just absurd. |
cali |
Dec-15-09 03:40 PM |
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Kicking for the good doc.. |
democrank |
Dec-15-09 02:58 PM |
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K & R |
democracy1st |
Dec-15-09 03:06 PM |
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I trust Howard Dean's political instincts on this issue. I hope we can have his interview to hear. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-15-09 03:19 PM |
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here you go, David |
cali |
Dec-15-09 03:39 PM |
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cali, is there a link? |
David Zephyr |
Dec-15-09 06:05 PM |
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David, I'm such a dunce. My apologies. Here's the link. |
cali |
Dec-15-09 06:40 PM |
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Thank you for the link. Dean speaks for me. That's all I needed to hear. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-15-09 08:32 PM |
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That's it for me, then. |
WeDidIt |
Dec-15-09 03:40 PM |
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Yep. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-15-09 08:32 PM |
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Here is the transcript and audio from VPR |
madfloridian |
Dec-15-09 06:09 PM |
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thanks |
optimator |
Dec-15-09 06:36 PM |
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(FDL) He's not alone -- |
chill_wind |
Dec-15-09 09:06 PM |
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k&r for the Good Doctor Dean. Kill the bill. n/t |
Laelth |
Dec-15-09 09:41 PM |
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