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154. Have you caught Richard Haas the head of the Council of Foreign Relations yet?
Edited on Sat Dec-12-09 05:12 PM by truedelphi
He is clearly of the "You are either with us or against us" mindset.

Even scarier is that he is one of those who advises Obama.


Those on this board who support Social Justice, who support Truth, who support Civil Rights, and support these expanding wars are in for a real shock when they find out who the real enemy is.

It is the "Other" not just the "Other" in foreign lands like Pakistan (which we have been illegally bombing over the summer) but also and more importantly the "Other" within.

It is too much work for Americans to work on their own inner fears and neurosis.

Thus we project our fears and our weaknesses outward, into a non-ending cataclysm of death decreed by the fact that since Evil lurks in all our hearts, (but that particular and personal Evil can never be undone), we must therefore perpetually wage war on those in foreign lands, and those who are different or "progressive" here.
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  -He lost me at the word 'evil.' Are_grits_groceries  Dec-12-09 08:51 AM   #0 
  - yep.  dysfunctional press   Dec-12-09 08:54 AM   #1 
  - If you are unwilling to engage in moral discourse, Obama's speech was not for you.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 08:54 AM   #2 
  - Perpetuating a phony "war" is akin to promoting "moral discourse" in which universe?  Echo In Light   Dec-12-09 09:08 AM   #11 
  - Don't change the subject. Obama could have promoted his war in non-moral terms  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 09:22 AM   #26 
  - How am I changing the subject?  Echo In Light   Dec-12-09 09:57 AM   #54 
     - Being for or against the war in Afghanistan is an entirely different subject  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 10:01 AM   #59 
        - Not coming from someone who plays a direct role in escalating war, it's not  Echo In Light   Dec-12-09 10:03 AM   #63 
        - Can't have it both ways. Be in the same boat with those who ridicule the antiwar movement  Duende azul   Dec-12-09 09:31 PM   #200 
           - Who's made any attempt to have it both ways?  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 10:10 PM   #205 
  - not a phony war  d3m0l1sh3r   Dec-12-09 04:06 PM   #136 
  - interesting profile - Hacking is a Crime  Torn_Scorned_Ignored   Dec-12-09 10:34 PM   #206 
  - Ask the innocent women, children and men of Afghanistan  pokercat999   Dec-13-09 08:12 AM   #242 
  - The stated reasons that the US is involved there are lies, based on lies, period.  Echo In Light   Dec-13-09 09:21 AM   #247 
  - The topic is the speech  Autonomy   Dec-13-09 01:56 AM   #226 
  - I am not against engaging in moral discourse.  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 09:08 AM   #12 
  - Yes, it is possible to engage in moral discourse in a way that does not admit of nuance.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 09:33 AM   #36 
  - So a moral discussion justifies such language? A lot of what he did...  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Dec-12-09 09:25 AM   #29 
  - Language like "evil" when discussing groups like al Qaeda? Yes.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 09:56 AM   #53 
     - Hmm... why is evil a loaded term?  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Dec-12-09 10:20 AM   #71 
     - Yes, clearly nobody used "evil" before George W. Bush.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 10:24 AM   #74 
     - Not what you expected, eh?  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Dec-12-09 10:32 AM   #76 
        - If you have no problem with that logical consequence of your statement  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 10:47 AM   #83 
           - "I'm not sure what people's problem is with that word (evil)." -- you  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Dec-12-09 11:14 AM   #98 
           - How is that a response?  Vattel   Dec-12-09 05:42 PM   #163 
              - LOL!  paulk   Dec-12-09 06:53 PM   #177 
           - I have a sister  shirlden   Dec-13-09 06:28 AM   #236 
              - I didn't mean to tar absolutely everyone in the Christian Right.  Unvanguard   Dec-13-09 09:25 AM   #248 
     - Doesn't the Evil vs Good theme go back to Ronald Reagan?  varelse   Dec-12-09 07:06 PM   #182 
        - And Reagan, in turn, got it from  tomg   Dec-13-09 02:30 AM   #227 
           - What else could we expect from a B-movie actor? (nt)  varelse   Dec-13-09 10:20 AM   #252 
     - I refer you to the links below:  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-12-09 02:43 PM   #115 
     - What does this post have to do with anything I said?  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 04:19 PM   #142 
        - No! You turn BOTH blind eyes to your country's demonic role as a superpower -  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-12-09 06:01 PM   #167 
        - I don't think you have any substantive idea about what I think regarding US foreign policy.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 07:08 PM   #184 
        - Stupid is as Stupid does to quote Forrest  digidigido   Dec-13-09 03:04 AM   #228 
     - Dominating the world by military force is evil  eridani   Dec-12-09 02:43 PM   #116 
     - Yes and yes.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 04:20 PM   #143 
        - 800 military bases around the globe are for what, then?  eridani   Dec-13-09 11:11 PM   #262 
     - by your description, we too are evil  northernlights   Dec-12-09 03:14 PM   #129 
     - By my description, yes, particular instances of US conduct have been evil.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 04:24 PM   #145 
        - we're better than they are because  northernlights   Dec-13-09 05:01 PM   #260 
     - I'm not sure what people's problem is with that word.  AlbertCat   Dec-12-09 09:14 PM   #197 
     - The people in Afghanistan may disagree with you.  SharksBreath   Dec-13-09 07:31 AM   #237 
        - By all appearances, the people of Afghanistan don't  Unvanguard   Dec-13-09 09:27 AM   #249 
  - If Obama Cared About "Morality", We'd Be Intervening In Hundreds Of Other Areas Around the Globe.  Toasterlad   Dec-12-09 09:30 AM   #32 
  - Both of those statements are not true.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 09:38 AM   #40 
     - We are now winging our justification for war in Afghanistan IMHO.  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 10:02 AM   #61 
     - That's a fair point, that the "evil" discourse distracts from the real policy issues.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 10:18 AM   #69 
        - I did think it was a very good speech.  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 10:27 AM   #75 
           - I think we need to stop looking at Obama through the lens of Bush.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 10:39 AM   #81 
     - So...We Can't Intervene Just "Anywhere" It Would Be Moral To Do So...  Toasterlad   Dec-12-09 10:52 AM   #87 
     - Did you read either of Obama's speeches?  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 10:55 AM   #89 
     - Simply opinion. Indeed it seems more like conjecture.  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-12-09 02:51 PM   #121 
     - it is perfectly possible to construct a justification  SharksBreath   Dec-13-09 07:38 AM   #239 
  - It seems like many fail to understand anything other than simplistic bumper sticker discussions.  HuckleB   Dec-12-09 10:22 AM   #72 
  - My moral norms include--  eridani   Dec-12-09 02:40 PM   #113 
  - So do mine. US conduct in Afghanistan (as in Iraq) has not always been in accordance  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 05:45 PM   #165 
  - If you're are unwilling to engage in reason, you shouldn't abuse the language like this.  JackRiddler   Dec-12-09 04:52 PM   #149 
  - best post of the week, maybe the month n/t  Vattel   Dec-12-09 05:21 PM   #157 
  - Oh, i'm damn well willing to discourse morality, but using subjective terms  jobycom   Dec-12-09 05:22 PM   #158 
  - Did you read his speech? (Either of his speeches?)  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 05:43 PM   #164 
  - Yeah, and I typed a really long response, and it failed to post.  jobycom   Dec-12-09 07:00 PM   #180 
     - But in that very quote he's distinguishing himself from Bush.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 07:06 PM   #183 
        - Only in linguistic skill  jobycom   Dec-13-09 12:12 AM   #217 
           - Yes, "war is still the final word"  Unvanguard   Dec-13-09 09:17 AM   #246 
  - Good points  varelse   Dec-12-09 07:12 PM   #185 
  - Please click on my journal link below and read a compilation of the main points of the speech.  patrice   Dec-12-09 10:48 PM   #207 
  - the problem comes in when moral certitude is falsely applied to a morally ambiguous situation  Lerkfish   Dec-12-09 06:16 PM   #171 
  - Sure. I'll do it right now if you like.  Unvanguard   Dec-12-09 07:24 PM   #188 
  - "The line between good and evil cuts through the heart of every man."  lostnfound   Dec-13-09 06:19 AM   #235 
  - Well said.  enlightenment   Dec-12-09 08:55 AM   #3 
  - Totally agree.  dixiegrrrrl   Dec-12-09 08:56 AM   #4 
  - Oh, there's evil alright. And right now, Obama is the lesser of two....  Junkdrawer   Dec-12-09 08:56 AM   #5 
  - k&r n/t  blindpig   Dec-12-09 09:03 AM   #6 
  - Your idea that evil doesn't exist is just wishful thinking. I think you need to learn about ethnic  NJmaverick   Dec-12-09 09:04 AM   #7 
  - Evidence of asshole humans is not evidence of "evil"  Oregone   Dec-12-09 09:20 AM   #23 
  - "asshole" would be the person letting their dog poop on the lawn. Murding hundreds or thousands or  NJmaverick   Dec-12-09 09:22 AM   #24 
  - So are you defining "Evil" as "Really Bad"?  Oregone   Dec-12-09 09:25 AM   #28 
  - could we get any more semantic here? Perhaps you could start your  CAG   Dec-12-09 09:29 AM   #31 
  - Invoking a spiritual/religious /supernatural term to describe being really bad to other humans....  Oregone   Dec-12-09 09:34 AM   #38 
     - "highly motivate extremist bringing harm to the world" ....umm, such as  CAG   Dec-12-09 09:41 AM   #42 
     - Yes, as I said, a rational person might interpret the spiritual terminology that way  Oregone   Dec-12-09 09:44 AM   #46 
        - Let me know if you have any other problems with another single  CAG   Dec-12-09 09:51 AM   #50 
           - Its a pretty important word. Weaving in spiritual & religious trigger words and leaving it open to..  Oregone   Dec-12-09 09:59 AM   #56 
              - No it wasn't a boo boo, in your case it was a deliberate manipulation of the meaning  NJmaverick   Dec-12-09 10:35 AM   #78 
              - Its a word that can be manipulated in many ways, including spiritual and religiously  Oregone   Dec-12-09 11:03 AM   #93 
                 - what doesn't?  seeinfweggos   Dec-12-09 06:35 PM   #174 
                    - Well, the word "brick" most certainly is less loaded than "evil"  Oregone   Dec-12-09 07:43 PM   #189 
                       - so does the term "act of god" but i assume my home owner's insurance policy isn't being spiritual  seeinfweggos   Dec-12-09 11:15 PM   # 
                       - "anyone with half a brain knows"  Oregone   Dec-13-09 01:00 AM   #220 
                       - Why must you resort to name calling?  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-13-09 05:25 AM   #233 
                          - i grew up in the south too, gay and non-white as a matter of fact  seeinfweggos   Dec-13-09 10:54 AM   #254 
                             - I don't think he was dogwhistling.  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-13-09 11:01 AM   #255 
                       - dupe  seeinfweggos   Dec-12-09 11:15 PM   #212 
              - point  patrice   Dec-12-09 11:20 PM   #213 
     - You need a dictionary because you don't know the definitions of the word evil  NJmaverick   Dec-12-09 09:54 AM   #52 
        - Evil means A LOT of things, some definable by little black books people read on Sunday  Oregone   Dec-12-09 10:00 AM   #58 
        - So who are you to say declare that was the definition that was used by President Obama?  NJmaverick   Dec-12-09 10:04 AM   #64 
        - I'm just another person interpreting a word with MANY different meanings, some religious and spiritu...  Oregone   Dec-12-09 10:19 AM   #70 
           - Bull, you are manipulating the truth for your own purposes. The FACT  NJmaverick   Dec-12-09 10:34 AM   #77 
           - Egg on his face. He used a word that got all the fundie girls wet.  Oregone   Dec-12-09 11:00 AM   #91 
           - Number one meaning in Websters  CLANG   Dec-12-09 06:16 PM   #172 
              - Ah...the dictionary...not quite as circulated as the Bible  Oregone   Dec-12-09 07:48 PM   #190 
                 - You are the person doing the assuming...  CLANG   Dec-12-09 10:50 PM   #209 
                    - There are most certainly unprovable beliefs in the world  Oregone   Dec-13-09 01:03 AM   #221 
        - Was Obama's speech about Star Wars?  bejamin wood   Dec-12-09 02:52 PM   #122 
        - His and Bush's use of the word evil simply obfuscate the  snagglepuss   Dec-12-09 10:37 AM   #80 
           - If only the FACT that Al-Qaeda attacked the United States didn't get in the way of your claims  NJmaverick   Dec-12-09 10:48 AM   #85 
              - AQ is a smokescreen. Nothing the US is doing is eliminating AQ, in fact  snagglepuss   Dec-12-09 10:58 AM   #90 
  - Agreed.  JoeyT   Dec-12-09 05:48 PM   #166 
  - How many humans died in Iraq for a LIE?  Fumesucker   Dec-12-09 09:51 AM   #49 
  - I did everything I could to stop the Iraq war, so speak for yourself  NJmaverick   Dec-12-09 09:52 AM   #51 
     - So citizens in a Democracy bear no responsibility for what their government does in their name?  Fumesucker   Dec-12-09 10:07 AM   #65 
  - Using that logic the American health care system is evil and Obama  snagglepuss   Dec-12-09 10:24 AM   #73 
  - Wrong. It's just that oppressive evil beyond a threshold of tolerance  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-12-09 02:57 PM   #124 
  - The removal of Jewish settlers from Gaza by their own government  varelse   Dec-12-09 07:49 PM   #191 
  - Straw man argument. OPer didn't say evil doesn't exist.  clear eye   Dec-13-09 01:53 AM   #225 
  - There was an interesting thread on 'evil yesterday that was disappeared  Echo In Light   Dec-12-09 09:06 AM   #8 
  - Evil means demonic and that's religious. The right must love him more and more each day. Sigh. nt  valerief   Dec-12-09 09:06 AM   #9 
  - Many here believe that religion *is* evil.  berni_mccoy   Dec-12-09 09:08 AM   #13 
     - Oh, it is. For sure. nt  valerief   Dec-12-09 09:18 AM   #20 
  - Do you actually believe that evil is only relative to good?  slackmaster   Dec-12-09 09:07 AM   #10 
  - Evil "exists" in what sense?  Silent3   Dec-12-09 10:01 AM   #60 
  - why on earth  Vattel   Dec-12-09 05:35 PM   #162 
     - I didn't say that I thought he/she thought that.  Silent3   Dec-12-09 10:48 PM   #208 
  - There is no universal definition of evil, and that is one problem with using it to justify war  varelse   Dec-12-09 04:04 PM   #135 
  - thank you  barbtries   Dec-12-09 09:08 AM   #14 
  - right  bigtree   Dec-12-09 09:10 AM   #15 
  - Evil, Terror, Homeland.... Bush used these words in ways that make us wretch when we hear them.  NYC_SKP   Dec-12-09 09:10 AM   #16 
  - Evil also rests within the black heart of a populace in stark denial, choosing inaction  Echo In Light   Dec-12-09 09:14 AM   #18 
  - "Black heart" or just ignorant and susceptible to propaganda.  NYC_SKP   Dec-12-09 09:19 AM   #22 
     - No, many people know what's what by now. Laziness is easier than responsibility.  Echo In Light   Dec-12-09 09:22 AM   #25 
        - Agree with the second part, many but not most people are informed.  NYC_SKP   Dec-12-09 10:12 AM   #67 
  - Well Said. Since When Do We Let Evil Cretins Like Bush Control The Vocabulary?  Paladin   Dec-12-09 09:42 AM   #45 
  - I'm with you on this  malaise   Dec-12-09 09:11 AM   #17 
  - I believe in evil.  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 09:15 AM   #19 
  - good post. nt  woo me with science   Dec-12-09 09:24 AM   #27 
  - President Obama never said people should be tried as evil  NJmaverick   Dec-12-09 10:54 AM   #88 
  - Exactly!  dgibby   Dec-12-09 11:30 AM   #103 
  - I had the same reaction  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-12-09 09:18 AM   #21 
  - Like Everything Else Obama Is, It Was Just Rhetoric.  Toasterlad   Dec-12-09 09:29 AM   #30 
  - wow. Ignore his accomplishments and its easy to just paint the  CAG   Dec-12-09 09:31 AM   #33 
     - Please List His Accomplishments.  Toasterlad   Dec-12-09 09:32 AM   #35 
        - ...  CAG   Dec-12-09 09:44 AM   #47 
           - Oh, Please.  Toasterlad   Dec-12-09 10:47 AM   #84 
           - The liberal saint Dennis Kucinich wouldn't have gotten any more accomplished  CAG   Dec-12-09 11:53 AM   #105 
              - If I may quote Toasterlad,  salguine   Dec-12-09 04:08 PM   #138 
                 - Boy, I wish I could live in this fantasyland where I can just ignore reality  CAG   Dec-12-09 04:50 PM   #147 
                    - The whole "it takes time" meme needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot, too. It's  salguine   Dec-12-09 05:18 PM   #155 
                    - and when everything is better, you'll be whimpering about why  CAG   Dec-12-09 06:50 PM   #175 
                    - WOOHOO!!!  SammyWinstonJack   Dec-12-09 06:59 PM   #179 
                    - Agree absolutely. This is LUNACY!!  CLANG   Dec-12-09 06:25 PM   #173 
           - Lol! You actually list "announced his INTENTION to _____" several times  Lorien   Dec-12-09 03:35 PM   #131 
              - I'm sorry he hasn't solved the worlds ills in 11 months. I guess you could name  CAG   Dec-12-09 04:51 PM   #148 
                 - Do you actually pay attention to anything that's going on, or do you just spend  salguine   Dec-12-09 05:21 PM   #156 
                    - all I've said is he hasn't solved everything in 11 months. How radical  CAG   Dec-12-09 06:51 PM   #176 
                    - and I guess you too could help debbie downer try to name  CAG   Dec-12-09 10:50 PM   #210 
                       - "Debbie Downer"? You debate/argue like a fucking six-year-old. No one is saying  salguine   Dec-12-09 11:51 PM   #215 
                          - You're the one who can't form a sentence without cussing up a storm, and then  CAG   Dec-13-09 07:51 AM   #240 
                          - I didn't say you were insane because you disagreed with me. I said you were insane because  salguine   Dec-13-09 12:12 PM   #256 
                          - ...and still waiting to have a president named who did more than Obama  CAG   Dec-13-09 08:03 AM   #241 
                             - :  salguine   Dec-13-09 09:48 AM   #250 
                                - Thank you! Now, any others, or might I assume you think Obama is the  CAG   Dec-13-09 02:51 PM   #258 
                                   - :  salguine   Dec-13-09 07:22 PM   #261 
                                   - So I guess we're all done, then? You asked for one, I gave you two, you've been quiet...  salguine   Dec-14-09 10:37 AM   #263 
  - In most cases, Evil is an emergent property of otherwise "acceptable" behaviors  patrice   Dec-12-09 09:32 AM   #34 
  - K & R  Le Taz Hot   Dec-12-09 09:33 AM   #37 
  - Is criminal behavior moral and just a different choice? Is anything amoral?  stray cat   Dec-12-09 09:36 AM   #39 
  - Why do we have laws?  Oregone   Dec-12-09 09:57 AM   #55 
  - Was what was done on 9-11 evil? Was it wrong? Or was it just a different moral value  stray cat   Dec-12-09 09:40 AM   #41 
  - A govt slaughtering its own civilians to green light their pre-arranged plans is evil  Echo In Light   Dec-12-09 10:02 AM   #62 
     - neocon strategy  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-12-09 06:10 PM   #170 
  - Invoking morality to justify killing is as old and distasteful as Cain and Abel. K&R  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-12-09 09:41 AM   #43 
  - Exactly. It's already too late for that. But would always have been for the aggressor,  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-12-09 06:04 PM   #169 
  - Did we fight Germany because they were evil?  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 09:42 AM   #44 
  - I appreciate that you are starting to see that President Obama was right  NJmaverick   Dec-12-09 10:36 AM   #79 
     - Please see post #19.  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 10:52 AM   #86 
  - You'll get aruments at the edges about this, but you are so very right.  Stinky The Clown   Dec-12-09 09:50 AM   #48 
  - You can't win against an invisible evil bogeyman. Obama ampted up the terra terra terra  earth mom   Dec-12-09 10:00 AM   #57 
  - For starters, "evil" is an utterly subjective rationale for war.  branders seine   Dec-12-09 10:10 AM   #66 
  - Just remember: "evil" spelled backwards is "live". Well in English anyways.  elocs   Dec-12-09 10:13 AM   #68 
  - To paraphrase Forrest Gump, "Evil is as evil does."  StarfarerBill   Dec-12-09 10:43 AM   #82 
  - Evil = Blowback  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-12-09 11:03 AM   #94 
  - In most cases, that's true.  StarfarerBill   Dec-12-09 11:24 AM   #101 
  - Get the beam out of our own eye  GreenArrow   Dec-12-09 08:47 PM   #193 
     - My point exactly.  StarfarerBill   Dec-12-09 09:41 PM   #203 
  - K&R  Individualist   Dec-12-09 11:02 AM   #92 
  - so we are giving bush the word evil?  seeinfweggos   Dec-12-09 11:09 AM   #95 
  - That's silly.  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 11:12 AM   #96 
     - well i think calling hitler evil falls in the context of fighting wars, no?  seeinfweggos   Dec-12-09 11:18 AM   #99 
        - What are you talking about?  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 11:22 AM   #100 
           - well, if i hear someone say "that hitler sure was was evil"  seeinfweggos   Dec-12-09 11:26 AM   #102 
              - I guess you didn't read post #44.  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 02:50 PM   #120 
  - Politicians are usually full of shit, get used to it  Hippo_Tron   Dec-12-09 11:14 AM   #97 
  - evil quotes  seeinfweggos   Dec-12-09 11:42 AM   #104 
  - +10000  shadowknows69   Dec-12-09 11:54 AM   #106 
  - So believing there is evil in the world makes me a Fundy? WTF are you smoking?  Odin2005   Dec-12-09 12:04 PM   #107 
  - If that is what you got out of the OP,  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 02:47 PM   #118 
  - K&R.  Vidar   Dec-12-09 12:52 PM   #108 
  - "It's weak to look two presidents, see them both use the word "evil," and then conclude that they're  Pirate Smile   Dec-12-09 01:03 PM   #109 
  - Amen....hence my sig line.  RagAss   Dec-12-09 01:24 PM   #110 
  - I like it!  grahamhgreen   Dec-12-09 03:08 PM   #127 
  - Agreed 100%! K&R!  Fearless   Dec-12-09 01:55 PM   #111 
  - Enables ends justifies the means type of thinking  Mithreal   Dec-12-09 02:21 PM   #112 
  - Of course there is evil  treestar   Dec-12-09 02:42 PM   #114 
  - Wasn't Al Qaeda evil in what they did on 911?  Andronex   Dec-13-09 12:55 AM   #219 
  - "Evil" is a child's word, or a simpleton's.  Lautremont   Dec-12-09 02:46 PM   #117 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-12-09 02:48 PM   #119 
  - K N R. Outstanding post.  Bonn1997   Dec-12-09 02:53 PM   #123 
  - Really dishonest post based on a hangup of yours  HughMoran   Dec-12-09 03:00 PM   #125 
  - The Taliban and Al Qaeda are evil  bluestateguy   Dec-12-09 03:03 PM   #126 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-12-09 04:14 PM   #140 
  - exactly  Vattel   Dec-12-09 05:33 PM   #160 
  - Talk about "NIT PICKIN" bullshit! This is it! n/t  Fire1   Dec-12-09 03:10 PM   #128 
  - Not to anyone capable of thinking and perceiving with any depth, it isn't.  salguine   Dec-12-09 04:10 PM   #139 
     - Oh pleeeze! Depth?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Fire1   Dec-12-09 04:34 PM   #146 
     - The fiery logic of your response rocks me back on my heels. Uncle! Uncle!  salguine   Dec-12-09 05:23 PM   #159 
     - See #194. It applies to you, too. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Dec-12-09 09:37 PM   #202 
  - I suspect that we, again, are not being told the real reasons for  JDPriestly   Dec-12-09 03:26 PM   #130 
  - Well said  varelse   Dec-12-09 03:48 PM   #132 
  - I agree... "Evil" makes me cringe, but...  Syntheto   Dec-12-09 03:58 PM   #133 
  - "Who is evil is defined differently for each person"=you have a lot  dcsmart   Dec-12-09 04:00 PM   #134 
  - i mean, come on  d3m0l1sh3r   Dec-12-09 04:07 PM   #137 
  - I understand where he was going...  upi402   Dec-12-09 04:18 PM   #141 
  - Invoking evil is a cop-out, in my opinion.  Hosnon   Dec-12-09 04:23 PM   #144 
  - Rrrrright. Because there's no evil in the world  impik   Dec-12-09 04:54 PM   #150 
  - Good post...why do people think......  BlueJac   Dec-12-09 04:59 PM   #151 
  - So crashing fuel-laden 737s into the WTC was what?... Annoying?  farmbo   Dec-12-09 05:04 PM   #152 
  - A specific and proveable reason:  quaker bill   Dec-12-09 05:06 PM   #153 
  - Have you caught Richard Haas the head of the Council of Foreign Relations yet?  truedelphi   Dec-12-09 05:10 PM   #154 
  - "Evil" is too relative a concept? Like some people think killing innocent children to make a point  Honeycombe8   Dec-12-09 05:33 PM   #161 
  - I said that I believe in evil.  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 07:02 PM   #181 
  - For thousands of years, baby girls were killed deliberately  varelse   Dec-12-09 07:18 PM   #187 
     - No, it wasn't. In China that was a practice for a while, in secret, and was  Honeycombe8   Dec-13-09 09:16 AM   #245 
        - This wasn't just happening in China  varelse   Dec-13-09 10:19 AM   #251 
  - Great post.  theHandpuppet   Dec-12-09 06:02 PM   #168 
  - K&R.  shadesofgray   Dec-12-09 06:55 PM   #178 
  - Those of you that are listing specific people and acts as evil  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-12-09 07:17 PM   #186 
  - Me, too. George W. Obama.  Peregrine Took   Dec-12-09 07:49 PM   #192 
  - People who quibble over the use and definition of words are special pleaders of the worst sort.  apocalypsehow   Dec-12-09 08:55 PM   #194 
  - Let's see what you have manged to do in your post:  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-13-09 05:05 AM   #232 
     - Physician, heal thyself. You have predicated the thesis of an ENTIRE OP over the use of ONE word.  apocalypsehow   Dec-13-09 04:57 PM   #259 
  - Good point  maryf   Dec-12-09 09:09 PM   #195 
  - They sure sound alike don't they?  Upton   Dec-12-09 09:10 PM   #196 
  - they sound alike  mls   Dec-13-09 12:55 AM   #218 
  - "Evil" and "moral" are too fuzzy--just tactics  Goldstein1984   Dec-12-09 09:22 PM   #198 
  - Your last line nails it. +100  Duende azul   Dec-12-09 11:11 PM   #211 
  - Repeat this.......  midnight   Dec-12-09 09:29 PM   #199 
  - "Evil" has replaced "Rule of law"  BeHereNow   Dec-12-09 09:35 PM   #201 
  - +!0000000000000000  leftstreet   Dec-12-09 11:21 PM   #214 
  - What you said! nt  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-13-09 05:26 AM   #234 
  - Evil exists. Capitalism and American foreign policy prove this. nt  anonymous171   Dec-12-09 10:10 PM   #204 
  - Saying there is "evil" in the world is one thing-  Proud Liberal Dem   Dec-13-09 12:07 AM   #216 
  - He is now just a disapointment to me.  parasearchers   Dec-13-09 01:11 AM   #222 
  - whadayaknow, dude got the same speach writers  natrat   Dec-13-09 01:17 AM   #223 
  - I think bears are evil...  Andronex   Dec-13-09 01:43 AM   #224 
  - Kicked and recommended because the truth hurts. n/t  Stand and Fight   Dec-13-09 03:22 AM   #229 
  - 'If Voting Changed Anything, They'd Make It Illegal'  IndianaGreen   Dec-13-09 03:43 AM   #230 
  - Yeah, it sucked. Out of the many other words he could have used, he sounded like the shadow.  Major Hogwash   Dec-13-09 04:26 AM   #231 
  - Pefectly stated.  DeeDeeNY   Dec-13-09 07:34 AM   #238 
  - I don't know if there is "evil" in the larger metaphorical sense. But there are evil actions.  DuaneBidoux   Dec-13-09 08:50 AM   #243 
  - And yet the plan now is to pay some of the Taliban  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-13-09 08:54 AM   #244 
     - Well you can't justify long term military presence...  Andronex   Dec-13-09 10:32 AM   #253 
  - Relax! Once all the Evil in the world is destroyed we will be at peace.  kenny blankenship   Dec-13-09 12:15 PM   #257 
 

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