| 162. My story ended happier than your sons |
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Edited on Sat Apr-21-07 08:49 PM by lumberjack_jeff
At age 5 my mom ran with me to California where we lived with a variety of relatives and strangers and in the LA projects. Even 5 year-olds must learn how to fight there.
My mom's sister eventually called my dad, told him where I could be found and told him he needed to come get me.
He did, took me back home to Washington and was charged with kidnapping.
My life could have quickly reverted to the bad life with mom that awaited me except for one lucky break; mom came to court drunk. As easy as a target as mom could have been, and as inexcusable as her behavior was, dad never interfered with her visitation, nor did he, or my stepmother ever bad-mouth her.
Parental alienation absolutely exists, and it takes an extremely bad mom for any dad to get a fair shake in the patriarchal system. Luckily for me, she was really, really bad.
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| -Alec Baldwin is a hypocrite |
pnwmom |
Apr-20-07 11:30 PM |
#0 |
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Utterly embarrassing. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Apr-20-07 11:34 PM |
#1 |
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You know, sometimes my daughter forgets to turn on her phone |
K8-EEE |
Apr-21-07 01:39 AM |
#39 |
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And I bet there's something else you wouldn't do. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 04:05 AM |
#43 |
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I admire him as an actor and I agree with his politics |
K8-EEE |
Apr-21-07 12:28 PM |
#89 |
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Parental alienation is very real. |
flying_monkeys |
Apr-20-07 11:40 PM |
#2 |
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How do we know when and how that voicemail was passed on? |
pnwmom |
Apr-20-07 11:46 PM |
#4 |
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Read the motion filed by Baldwin's lawyer |
CookCountyResident |
Apr-21-07 12:10 AM |
#17 |
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Who says the voicemail wasn't forwarded to someone by the 11 year old |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 01:08 AM |
#31 |
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Riiight. |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 04:28 AM |
#49 |
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It's quite possible a girl could go to her friend, or her friend's mother, |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 04:49 AM |
#55 |
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Oh come on. |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 06:23 AM |
#67 |
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Right. |
CookCountyResident |
Apr-21-07 12:07 AM |
#15 |
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"The child does not benefit from this at all..." Oh yes she does. Now |
AJ9000 |
Apr-21-07 12:13 AM |
#18 |
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Baldwin was on Letterman making fun of Ireland right before he called her. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 01:17 AM |
#34 |
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There's no way she could have seen the show |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-21-07 04:03 AM |
#42 |
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Who says she watched it on real time? Someone could have taped it |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 04:08 AM |
#44 |
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the assertion |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-21-07 04:09 AM |
#45 |
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That's not the way I read the article. Yes, he had taped it before a live |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 04:16 AM |
#46 |
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Loving fathers |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-21-07 04:21 AM |
#48 |
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He spent two and a half minutes screaming threats and profanity at her. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 04:41 AM |
#52 |
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oh please |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-21-07 04:44 AM |
#53 |
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Why do you keep minimizing this? That wasn't the worst thing he said, it's |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 04:54 AM |
#56 |
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Cosby's career |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-21-07 04:59 AM |
#57 |
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Guess what? The kids on the TV show were not Cosby's real kids!!!!! |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:11 AM |
#59 |
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No |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-21-07 05:23 AM |
#62 |
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An eleven year old has friends. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:28 AM |
#63 |
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I think folks need to be reminded of the Occam's Razor theory. |
Clark2008 |
Apr-21-07 07:47 AM |
#73 |
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Did you listen to the whole tirade? Or just read a couple of phrases? |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 08:12 AM |
#74 |
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Agree and I was subjected too some SERIOUS! verbal, mental and physical abuse. |
Blue State Native |
Apr-21-07 10:11 AM |
#83 |
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You didn't listen to the audiotape then. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:08 PM |
#107 |
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DING DING DING! MonkeyFunk, you're our grand prize winner! |
rocknation |
Apr-21-07 05:22 PM |
#112 |
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I tend to agree with you |
ncabot22 |
Apr-21-07 08:12 PM |
#157 |
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who says she didn't give it to the media herself? |
butterfly77 |
Apr-21-07 05:40 PM |
#120 |
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BINGO! The child will know that Daddy's behavior is |
Triana |
Apr-21-07 04:51 PM |
#103 |
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I agree. Everything is about HIM. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:23 PM |
#113 |
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The child could have forwarded this on to one of her friends before |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 01:11 AM |
#32 |
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They're both overaged children doing what divorced people often do |
melody |
Apr-20-07 11:46 PM |
#3 |
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She'll need it. But Basinger can't make Baldwin behave |
pnwmom |
Apr-20-07 11:50 PM |
#6 |
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HE is absolutely the sole owner... |
Triana |
Apr-21-07 04:54 PM |
#104 |
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And from what I've read.. |
zidzi |
Apr-21-07 04:49 PM |
#102 |
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They may very well have joint custody but, in any case, that's not a |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:26 PM |
#115 |
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We need to call Alec's rant what it was: Child abuse (of the emotional variety.) |
AJ9000 |
Apr-20-07 11:47 PM |
#5 |
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I think it is. Like a lot of narcissists, he can be charming when |
pnwmom |
Apr-20-07 11:53 PM |
#8 |
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Well, we don't really know the whole story |
melody |
Apr-21-07 12:15 AM |
#19 |
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"It could seem very different, in context." There is no context to justify |
AJ9000 |
Apr-21-07 12:33 AM |
#21 |
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You've nailed him -- the "all about me." There is no context |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 12:40 AM |
#23 |
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Courts frequently set up schedules for calling |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 04:32 AM |
#50 |
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Can you give an instance of one person going to jail for missing a phone call like this? |
electron_blue |
Apr-21-07 08:33 AM |
#77 |
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No, they don't send dads to jail for missing phone visitation |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 02:48 PM |
#91 |
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odd that isn't the case in my divorce situation. No way would jail be involved after a nonshceduled |
electron_blue |
Apr-21-07 03:05 PM |
#92 |
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maybe your ex is nicer than others |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 03:33 PM |
#94 |
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You seem to have misunderstood |
electron_blue |
Apr-21-07 04:20 PM |
#95 |
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No, you couldn't get him thrown in jail for missing a scheduled visitation |
Mabus |
Apr-21-07 06:17 PM |
#131 |
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Great post. n/t |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 07:26 PM |
#151 |
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Been there. |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 06:34 PM |
#134 |
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I second that sentiment |
Infomaniac |
Apr-21-07 07:16 PM |
#147 |
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One of the worst things is the lawyers! |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 07:22 PM |
#149 |
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She's gone through a half dozen lawyers |
Infomaniac |
Apr-21-07 07:59 PM |
#155 |
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Restraining orders are put in place when there has been spousal abuse. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:12 PM |
#109 |
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No, that's not true |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 07:17 PM |
#148 |
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Difference between TRO and RO |
Mabus |
Apr-23-07 09:35 AM |
#204 |
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No divorced person I've ever heard of went to jail for missing a call. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:10 PM |
#108 |
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Something I didn't know at first -- the context |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 01:31 AM |
#37 |
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Someone upthread said she couldn't have seen the show before he called her |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 04:40 AM |
#51 |
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Someone upthread hasn't proved anything. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:04 AM |
#58 |
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You haven't proved anything, either |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 06:17 AM |
#65 |
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The point is that the rage was misdirected. There is no excuse for that. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 07:21 AM |
#70 |
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I agree that it is up to Basinger |
CookCountyResident |
Apr-21-07 08:52 AM |
#79 |
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Let me tell you how this works |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 02:36 PM |
#90 |
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Did you hear Baldwin whine that Ireland would never treat her mother |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:20 PM |
#110 |
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Are you divorced? |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 06:35 PM |
#135 |
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No, I'm not divorced, but I've gone through |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 06:42 PM |
#136 |
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Thank you. |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 06:47 PM |
#139 |
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Of course it's clear she has a better relationship with her mom |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 06:45 PM |
#138 |
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Suppose you are right, and Basinger is bad-mouthing him. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 06:50 PM |
#141 |
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If I come up to you and start poking you in the chest over and over... |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 06:57 PM |
#145 |
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From both sides, but more from the father |
marshall |
Apr-23-07 12:25 PM |
# |
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well said |
nini |
Apr-21-07 06:22 PM |
#133 |
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you think letterman fed exed her a tape? LOL. oh wait, that would take a whole day... |
bettyellen |
Apr-21-07 08:36 PM |
#160 |
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No, I don't. She could have set the VCR herself if she didn't |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 04:29 AM |
#182 |
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I've been where the child is at when my parents divorced |
marshall |
Apr-23-07 12:21 PM |
#205 |
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The child of two actors? Don't bet on it. |
greyhound1966 |
Apr-21-07 07:33 AM |
#72 |
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Counter example: Christopher Reeve. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 08:16 AM |
#75 |
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There are exceptions, of course. James Earl Jones would be another. |
greyhound1966 |
Apr-21-07 08:43 AM |
#78 |
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Exactly! It's child abuse - and IMO that should be made public... |
Triana |
Apr-21-07 04:55 PM |
#105 |
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regardless of the circumstances? hmmmmm |
nini |
Apr-21-07 06:21 PM |
#132 |
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Suppose you are right and it's Basinger's fault that they're alienated. |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 02:03 AM |
#168 |
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Parental Alienation is not based on what he did wrong here |
nini |
Apr-22-07 12:16 PM |
#200 |
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probably |
HughMoran |
Apr-20-07 11:52 PM |
#7 |
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Hopefully most parents aren't as mean or narcissistic as this guy. |
pnwmom |
Apr-20-07 11:55 PM |
#10 |
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Be careful about judging a snapshot. |
dbonds |
Apr-20-07 11:54 PM |
#9 |
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It wasn't just a little loss of control. It was an extended temper tantrum, |
pnwmom |
Apr-20-07 11:58 PM |
#11 |
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It WAS supposed to be private business |
CookCountyResident |
Apr-21-07 09:55 AM |
#80 |
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Yeah, child abuse is supposed to be private, right? |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:30 PM |
#116 |
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My thoughts, too. No excuse whatsoever for the verbal abuse he heaped |
indie_ana_500 |
Apr-21-07 12:00 AM |
#12 |
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Anyone who had access to the voicemail could have done it, |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 12:43 AM |
#24 |
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Those were my thoughts, too. That the girl and some of her friends... |
indie_ana_500 |
Apr-21-07 12:53 AM |
#27 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-21-07 12:02 AM |
#13 |
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That sounds weirdly like a threat. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 12:44 AM |
#25 |
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If you've done that you're an ignorant prick too. What's the rest of that |
AJ9000 |
Apr-21-07 12:44 AM |
#26 |
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Anger comes from feeling hurt |
Quixote1818 |
Apr-21-07 12:05 AM |
#14 |
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It's clear to me that Baldwin's EGO was wounded, |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 01:05 AM |
#30 |
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I think this is more about fear but I am not Alec Baldwin |
Quixote1818 |
Apr-21-07 01:38 AM |
#38 |
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If he had an ounce of real sensitivity, he wouldn't have made fun of her |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 03:59 AM |
#41 |
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Did I miss something? |
Quixote1818 |
Apr-21-07 11:49 AM |
#86 |
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"The whole audience and David Letterman laughed" -- at Baldwin's |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:32 PM |
#117 |
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Granted he ranted |
vanboggie |
Apr-21-07 12:07 AM |
#16 |
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That's a bunch of BS. That was verbal abuse. Period. HE needs straitening out. |
AJ9000 |
Apr-21-07 12:40 AM |
#22 |
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See post 47 |
vanboggie |
Apr-21-07 06:51 PM |
#142 |
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First he goes on Letterman and makes fun of how his young daughter dances. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 01:22 AM |
#35 |
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Agreed |
magellan |
Apr-21-07 12:30 AM |
#20 |
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And to make matters worse, you know what he was doing before the call? |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 01:25 AM |
#36 |
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Maybe that's why she didn't answer? Man this pisses me off, |
AJ9000 |
Apr-21-07 01:42 AM |
#40 |
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Alec Baldwin defenders are hypocrits |
gravity |
Apr-21-07 12:55 AM |
#28 |
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You nailed it Gravity. Well said. nm |
AJ9000 |
Apr-21-07 12:58 AM |
#29 |
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Exactly. |
philosophie_en_rose |
Apr-21-07 01:13 AM |
#33 |
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Damn right. |
spoony |
Apr-21-07 04:23 PM |
#97 |
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You have no idea what these people have been through |
symbolman |
Apr-21-07 04:19 AM |
#47 |
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And you, apparently, |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:12 AM |
#60 |
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I've been thrown over kitchen tables |
symbolman |
Apr-21-07 06:22 AM |
#66 |
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I'm sorry about what you've gone through. But your situation is different. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 07:14 AM |
#69 |
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The call was bad. He shouldn't have done it. |
demobabe |
Apr-21-07 07:56 PM |
#154 |
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What about his little performace a few hours earlier on Letterman? |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 02:05 AM |
#169 |
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Gawd, get off it already |
demobabe |
Apr-22-07 02:39 AM |
#174 |
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B.S. She could have easily seen it. Nobody knows the timing of all this |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 04:07 AM |
#177 |
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Someone else showed the timing. |
demobabe |
Apr-22-07 04:19 AM |
#179 |
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We don't know who put the tape out. It could have been the girl, |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 04:27 AM |
#181 |
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Doesn't matter WHO released it |
demobabe |
Apr-22-07 07:52 PM |
#203 |
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My story ended happier than your sons |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-21-07 08:48 PM |
#162 |
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Man, I'm sorry to hear that |
symbolman |
Apr-21-07 08:58 PM |
#164 |
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Wah Wah Wah! n/t |
lse7581011 |
Apr-21-07 03:08 PM |
#93 |
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Yeah |
symbolman |
Apr-21-07 07:27 PM |
#152 |
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Exactly |
vanboggie |
Apr-21-07 06:48 PM |
#140 |
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Yep |
symbolman |
Apr-21-07 08:52 PM |
#163 |
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Will do... |
vanboggie |
Apr-22-07 09:21 AM |
#194 |
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I do know what can happen. |
Infomaniac |
Apr-21-07 08:19 PM |
#159 |
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Thanks |
symbolman |
Apr-21-07 08:42 PM |
#161 |
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i heard a clip of baldwin's message on the radio friday |
orleans |
Apr-21-07 04:47 AM |
#54 |
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I bet your friend didn't sound as vicious, did he? |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:16 AM |
#61 |
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Thanks for bringing this up |
symbolman |
Apr-21-07 06:34 AM |
#68 |
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short version: Alec Baldwin is Hitler! |
Checkstub |
Apr-21-07 05:44 AM |
#64 |
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Well he's lost my vote! |
JNelson6563 |
Apr-21-07 07:28 AM |
#71 |
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I'm Sure His Book Will Be Very Enlightening |
Crisco |
Apr-21-07 08:27 AM |
#76 |
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I think she was a rude thoughtless pig. eom |
donco6 |
Apr-21-07 09:59 AM |
#81 |
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Reminds me of a friend's comment |
edhopper |
Apr-21-07 10:08 AM |
#82 |
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Here's my thought: |
donco6 |
Apr-21-07 10:13 AM |
#84 |
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Now there's the sanest comment I've seen all day! |
KzooDem |
Apr-21-07 12:25 PM |
#88 |
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Ding ding ding! Finally. |
Poll_Blind |
Apr-21-07 04:36 PM |
#99 |
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It's important to me that so many people here are unable |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:52 PM |
#126 |
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Well, here's to you ending abuse. One internet message at a time. |
Poll_Blind |
Apr-21-07 06:52 PM |
#143 |
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Abusers take advantage of our respect for their privacy |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:37 PM |
#119 |
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This was clearly verbal abuse and it concerns me that so many people |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:35 PM |
#118 |
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How long are you going to keep this up? |
symbolman |
Apr-21-07 07:38 PM |
#153 |
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And when are you going to quit? I see, he's a LIBERAL, |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 02:07 AM |
#170 |
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Define Liberal |
symbolman |
Apr-22-07 02:45 AM |
#175 |
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Why should I define it? You were the one who said he was a liberal, |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 04:05 AM |
#176 |
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I think you have me mixed up with someone else now |
symbolman |
Apr-22-07 04:12 AM |
#178 |
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Maybe you ought to read your own posts before you send them. |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 04:23 AM |
#180 |
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Oh gee |
symbolman |
Apr-22-07 04:34 AM |
#183 |
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So there are only two kinds of parents, in your view? |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 04:44 AM |
#185 |
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Hopeful? |
symbolman |
Apr-22-07 04:47 AM |
#187 |
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Why are you defending him endlessly? |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 05:13 AM |
#188 |
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Yeah it is |
symbolman |
Apr-22-07 05:37 AM |
#191 |
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Right..... |
Jade Fox |
Apr-21-07 10:16 AM |
#85 |
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Good memory. |
donco6 |
Apr-21-07 11:54 AM |
#87 |
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Alec Baldwin IS A RICH SPOILED WHITE BOY |
spoony |
Apr-21-07 04:28 PM |
#98 |
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Yeah, but he's a Democrat, like Nifong, |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:43 PM |
#122 |
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Based on what? |
Jade Fox |
Apr-22-07 09:27 AM |
#195 |
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There is proof that he made the abusive phone call. And it's abusive no |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:41 PM |
#121 |
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Once again, you are.... |
Jade Fox |
Apr-22-07 09:29 AM |
#196 |
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Let me ask you something about your "proof" |
merh |
Apr-22-07 01:31 PM |
#201 |
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Good to see someone call it like it is k and r |
spoony |
Apr-21-07 04:21 PM |
#96 |
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again - this issue is none of our business |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-21-07 04:37 PM |
#100 |
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Child abuse is always best kept behind closed doors. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:44 PM |
#123 |
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careful you don't fall off your soapbox |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-21-07 06:07 PM |
#129 |
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NO. Alec Baldwin is a Narcissist and an Abuser |
Triana |
Apr-21-07 04:45 PM |
#101 |
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That's what it looks like to me too... |
polichick |
Apr-21-07 05:24 PM |
#114 |
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BINGO!!! |
Triana |
Apr-21-07 10:31 PM |
#165 |
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Welcome to DU, polichick! |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 02:09 AM |
#171 |
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Good, informative post, Triana. Thanks. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:46 PM |
#124 |
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Send 'em the links!!! |
Triana |
Apr-21-07 10:32 PM |
#166 |
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DU posters who condemn Baldwin are hypocrites. This is nothing but a junk story! |
saracat |
Apr-21-07 04:58 PM |
#106 |
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It's hard to believe that you actually heard the whole tape. |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:48 PM |
#125 |
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Worst. Book Promotion. Evah. |
gatorboy |
Apr-21-07 05:22 PM |
#111 |
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LOL. n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 05:53 PM |
#127 |
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My sister was a victim of parental alienation |
nini |
Apr-21-07 06:06 PM |
#128 |
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Unless your sister also raged at her children, |
pnwmom |
Apr-21-07 06:53 PM |
#144 |
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You obviously don't understand or believe P.A. is real |
nini |
Apr-21-07 07:16 PM |
#146 |
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How do you know what Basinger is really doing? What she says to Ireland? |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 01:58 AM |
#167 |
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THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE ISSUE WITH PARENTAL ALIENATION |
nini |
Apr-22-07 11:59 AM |
#198 |
| -
Save Alberto! Hurry! |
jazzjunkysue |
Apr-21-07 06:08 PM |
#130 |
| -
There should be laws that prohibit actors from |
winston61 |
Apr-21-07 06:44 PM |
#137 |
| -
The Bloodsport Of Divorce |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Apr-21-07 07:26 PM |
#150 |
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It's verbal abuse |
Raine |
Apr-21-07 08:09 PM |
#156 |
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That's the thing. We have to recognize it as abusive so that we |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 02:15 AM |
#172 |
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Let's have every man & women reveal every angry moment about their s.o.'s to the press for everyone |
8_year_nightmare |
Apr-21-07 08:17 PM |
#158 |
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I think that's why so many DUers are on his side. |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 02:19 AM |
#173 |
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We all agree it was wrong. |
8_year_nightmare |
Apr-22-07 03:55 PM |
#202 |
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Humans who create children should think of the children |
SoCalDem |
Apr-22-07 04:34 AM |
#184 |
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You're right. In two or three years the judge will let Ireland decide |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 04:46 AM |
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delete (dupe) |
pnwmom |
Apr-22-07 04:46 AM |
#186 |
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As far as I'm concerned, this whole incident is a private family matter! |
B Calm |
Apr-22-07 05:14 AM |
#189 |
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Whoa just heard that call on you tube, that was all a little unnnecessary... |
cooolandrew |
Apr-22-07 05:20 AM |
#190 |
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Basinger is the villain in this |
cgrindley |
Apr-22-07 05:53 AM |
#192 |
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I have the same feeling.. Women can be nasty in divorce and turn |
B Calm |
Apr-22-07 06:00 AM |
#193 |
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Just another example of when self obsessed |
winston61 |
Apr-22-07 09:41 AM |
#197 |
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I agree 1000% |
nini |
Apr-22-07 12:02 PM |
#199 |
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Oh, for fucks sake. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-23-07 12:25 PM |
#206 |
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Parents are human beings just like everyone else. |
Sentinel Chicken |
Apr-23-07 12:47 PM |
#207 |
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