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Thu Dec-10-09 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #112 |
| 129. Climate Change Fraud, they got charts too |
| -A Poll on Scientific Transparency |
Nederland |
Dec-09-09 06:40 PM |
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should not have to release code and data |
bridgit |
Dec-09-09 06:46 PM |
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who enforces scientists "having" to do anything...? |
mike_c |
Dec-09-09 06:48 PM |
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I think when it comes |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 06:51 PM |
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There has never been a time when data, protocols and results were not entirely open and available |
timeforpeace |
Dec-09-09 07:01 PM |
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The double standard is concerning |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 07:06 PM |
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what do you mean, "until now...?" |
mike_c |
Dec-09-09 08:43 PM |
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I've yet to read of anyone on here |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:02 PM |
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but how would you propose that be done...? |
mike_c |
Dec-09-09 08:25 PM |
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I think a good start |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 08:36 PM |
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Someone's going to break into your lab, and if they find ANYTHING... |
Junkdrawer |
Dec-09-09 07:13 PM |
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I suppose that demonstrates how little the general public knows... |
mike_c |
Dec-09-09 08:19 PM |
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I honestly don't think most people even know what they are asking for anymore |
CreekDog |
Dec-10-09 10:50 AM |
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Nothing good can come from hiding data |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 06:48 PM |
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The only thing scientists should release is what they submit to peer-review. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 06:50 PM |
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End of thread. |
Forkboy |
Dec-09-09 06:52 PM |
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Wouldn't repeating the experiment exactly |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 06:54 PM |
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Ever read a scientific paper? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 06:56 PM |
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Yes, they do |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 06:58 PM |
#11 |
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Oh, nevermind. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 07:02 PM |
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Sorry, but no |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 07:05 PM |
#16 |
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Once you publish the paper... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 07:11 PM |
#21 |
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Who get's to decide what's relevant |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 07:23 PM |
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The peers. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:17 PM |
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Here's where you screwed up: |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:18 PM |
#66 |
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It doesn't. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:24 PM |
#70 |
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Again, you screwed up |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:26 PM |
#72 |
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If one wants to renew a grant and get more money, sure. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:28 PM |
#75 |
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So findings do affect funding |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:30 PM |
#77 |
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No, output affects funding. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:33 PM |
#79 |
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Incorrect |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:42 PM |
#81 |
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All labs show global warming to be manmade. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:53 PM |
#84 |
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Incorrect |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:56 PM |
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Scientific American's a biased source, eh? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:58 PM |
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An editorial within it is |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 10:01 PM |
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I never argued they were scientific papers. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-10-09 02:42 PM |
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So you believe an editorial |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 11:45 PM |
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I remain curious though |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 10:08 PM |
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The science is not settled |
Nederland |
Dec-10-09 08:29 AM |
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That's the same thing George W. Bush says about evolution. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-10-09 02:43 PM |
#157 |
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I'm not wrong |
Nederland |
Dec-10-09 03:39 PM |
#159 |
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Clarify Please |
Nederland |
Dec-09-09 08:38 PM |
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It's still reproducable |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-09-09 07:46 PM |
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That would neccessitate |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 07:53 PM |
#30 |
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Oh, bullcrap. |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-09-09 08:38 PM |
#38 |
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No, I suspect you are lying |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 08:42 PM |
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Nope, just you that's lying. |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-09-09 09:01 PM |
#48 |
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What's the point of reproducing one paper |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:04 PM |
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The purpose would be to satisfy concerns about the data. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:09 PM |
#57 |
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If that's the case |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:10 PM |
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Oh, I already gave you several good reasons. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:14 PM |
#61 |
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Give me 10 years |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:17 PM |
#64 |
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Alright, go for it. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:18 PM |
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Ah but of course |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:21 PM |
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If the research is legimate, science would be happy to accept it. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:26 PM |
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Ahem |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:30 PM |
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JonQ, all real scientists back my line of argument. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:31 PM |
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Sigh |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:45 PM |
#82 |
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So, was the NSF in on the conspiracy when Bush was in office? |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:30 AM |
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How is bush |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:44 AM |
#114 |
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You're avoiding the question |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:48 AM |
#120 |
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Big push was never from US based enterprises |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:51 AM |
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You offer no proof, only conjecture |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:55 AM |
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Not really conjecture |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 11:13 AM |
#143 |
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It can cost billions of dollars |
Nederland |
Dec-10-09 08:09 AM |
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Yes, that's right. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-10-09 02:45 PM |
#158 |
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LHC scientists disagree with you |
Nederland |
Dec-10-09 03:50 PM |
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Not really. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-10-09 04:36 PM |
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And since you are such a prolific reading of scientific journals |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 07:02 PM |
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Two per day? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 07:10 PM |
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Sorry, but yes, I do |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 07:21 PM |
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Hmmm, no you don't. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 08:39 PM |
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You misunderstood |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 08:47 PM |
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And do you really think |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:00 PM |
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Oh, it's entirely possible. I read three or four today. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:01 PM |
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Well sure, if that's what you need to believe |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:05 PM |
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JonQ, you're a global warming denier. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:06 PM |
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In a few years |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:09 PM |
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Now you're sounding like doomsday cultists. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 09:12 PM |
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? |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:15 PM |
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A whole TWO papers per day? |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-09-09 09:02 PM |
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Some people seem to think it is impossible |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:07 PM |
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No. I don't think it's impossible. |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-09-09 09:25 PM |
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Like I said |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:27 PM |
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Oh, please. |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-09-09 09:38 PM |
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So saying it's |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:47 PM |
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Hahahahaha!!! |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 09:16 AM |
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Sigh |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 09:43 AM |
#102 |
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Thanks, JonQ! |
Rabrrrrrr |
Dec-10-09 10:09 AM |
#104 |
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Believe me |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:22 AM |
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Wow, you're full of right-wing talking points, aren't you? |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:33 AM |
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RW talking point? |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:45 AM |
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Let's see |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:50 AM |
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You really don't understand the debate |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:53 AM |
#126 |
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LOLOLOLOLOL |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:57 AM |
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And there it is |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:59 AM |
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That is EXACTLY what you are doing, loserboy. |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 10:15 AM |
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No need to get testy |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:19 AM |
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LOL!!! |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 10:40 AM |
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You could always do your own study |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:47 AM |
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A blog? |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 10:54 AM |
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The data is there |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 11:02 AM |
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Climate Change Fraud, they got charts too |
bridgit |
Dec-10-09 10:54 AM |
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Yup. |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 11:18 AM |
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Funny you didn't provide a source for that image |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:45 AM |
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It's based on |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:49 AM |
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What the hell are you talking about? |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:52 AM |
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So are you in favor of transparency or not? |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:53 AM |
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Answer my question. |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:57 AM |
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Not really |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 11:01 AM |
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Not all data is peer reviewable |
Johonny |
Dec-09-09 08:36 PM |
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If it can't be peer reviewed then it isn't science |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 08:39 PM |
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clearly then |
Johonny |
Dec-10-09 09:00 AM |
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Are you really trying to equate the two? |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 09:11 AM |
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...and you've never heard of ITAR, then. |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:35 AM |
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Reread the poll question being asked |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:55 AM |
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You are the expert at diverting the conversation |
PVnRT |
Dec-10-09 10:58 AM |
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Still no rereading of the question being asked? |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:59 AM |
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That's true, the applied nature of the data isn't always 'peer understood' either... |
bridgit |
Dec-09-09 10:33 PM |
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Depends on Who pays for it! |
Traveling_Home |
Dec-09-09 06:52 PM |
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Release all and let |
bbinacan |
Dec-09-09 06:54 PM |
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Arrest records and the juicy bits of any affairs would also be helpful...n/t |
Junkdrawer |
Dec-09-09 07:03 PM |
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If they get public funding, their methodology and data should be public knowledge. n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
Dec-09-09 07:05 PM |
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I find it amazing that some people are actually arguing against transparency |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 07:10 PM |
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I find it humorous that global warming deniers are pretending to be scientifically literate. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 07:12 PM |
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Sorry, but right now it's the proponents |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 07:23 PM |
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I'm reminded of Ben Stein's movie about Creationism. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-09-09 08:42 PM |
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Haven't seen it |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 08:48 PM |
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Agree. Strange. n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
Dec-09-09 07:12 PM |
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At least the poll results above have changed dramatically as time goes on. |
timeforpeace |
Dec-09-09 09:14 PM |
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real science requires others to attempt to repeat the experiment to either... |
yawnmaster |
Dec-09-09 07:34 PM |
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Scientific papers should be subject to peer review. |
baldguy |
Dec-09-09 07:58 PM |
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In 1974 Richard Feynman spoke about scientific integrity... |
bik0 |
Dec-09-09 08:05 PM |
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Release Everything.. |
RoadRage |
Dec-09-09 08:42 PM |
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I'd like some transparency on how many of the leading Global Warming "skeptics" are funded by |
Warren DeMontague |
Dec-09-09 09:09 PM |
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How about all scientists |
JonQ |
Dec-09-09 09:19 PM |
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Oh, yes, it's all a big conspiwacy. |
Warren DeMontague |
Dec-10-09 03:20 AM |
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If you read all those papers you claim to read... |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 09:27 AM |
#100 |
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" Nobody is hiding anything" |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 09:44 AM |
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Like I said... |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 10:28 AM |
#108 |
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How do you "spot fraud" |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 10:43 AM |
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Nice try. |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 11:02 AM |
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My gosh |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 11:07 AM |
#140 |
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I see that reading comprehension is not one of your better skills |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 11:10 AM |
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To you |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 11:11 AM |
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You sure like to project your ignorance on other people, don't you? |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 11:17 AM |
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I'm not the one defending |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 11:30 AM |
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There you go again |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 11:39 AM |
#147 |
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So no answer eh? |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 12:19 PM |
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Thanks again for proving my point. |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 12:20 PM |
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Obfuscation: |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 12:22 PM |
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Funny, but I never took a stance either way |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-10-09 12:24 PM |
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So what is your stance on this then? |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 01:00 PM |
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If no one else understands, and you're the only one that does: then what is going on? |
bridgit |
Dec-10-09 11:40 AM |
#148 |
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I'm not the only one |
JonQ |
Dec-10-09 12:21 PM |
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"Scientific Transparency", as mentioned above I have a problem with how quickly... |
bridgit |
Dec-10-09 02:41 PM |
#155 |
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I was gonna say "Yeah, sure, why not?" |
Iggo |
Dec-09-09 10:09 PM |
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I think it would be great if you tell us what you think first. n/t |
Cleita |
Dec-09-09 10:10 PM |
#90 |
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Release all code and data (nt) |
Nederland |
Dec-10-09 08:01 AM |
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This is already required for NIH funded projects with >500k/yr direct costs. |
moc |
Dec-09-09 10:15 PM |
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As soon as we get corporate transparency, sure. |
Overseas |
Dec-10-09 09:27 AM |
#101 |
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Sadly trying to get funding from the government and private sector creates too much pressure |
liberal_at_heart |
Dec-10-09 10:45 AM |
#115 |
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you forgot to say "from the 1980's" |
CreekDog |
Dec-10-09 10:47 AM |
#118 |
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non specialists can do nothing good with the data |
n2doc |
Dec-10-09 05:01 PM |
#162 |
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