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15. Do you mean peopl like these guys?
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office, take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." --John Quincy Adams
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  -"Members are expected . . . to support Democratic candidates.. ." Cary  Dec-09-09 08:44 AM   #0 
  - I'm there with you  michreject   Dec-09-09 08:47 AM   #1 
  - K&R  lamp_shade   Dec-09-09 08:48 AM   #2 
  - There are some things that cannot be discussed at DU  mdmc   Dec-09-09 08:49 AM   #3 
  - And this is my problem.  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:03 AM   #54 
  - You are complaining about "whiners"  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-09-09 12:45 PM   #100 
  - *grin*  sui generis   Dec-09-09 01:06 PM   #112 
  - rofl EPIC WIN  vadawg   Dec-09-09 01:52 PM   #142 
  - conservatives use the word "whining"  sui generis   Dec-09-09 01:05 PM   #111 
     - "Conservatives" aren't wrong about everything  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:06 PM   #154 
        - What are they right about?  Forkboy   Dec-09-09 02:28 PM   #179 
  - where do you discuss them? the rest of us will join you and leave the paid DLC shills  yurbud   Dec-09-09 01:26 PM   #126 
  - This HCR is just a beginning--people have to realize that  Kingofalldems   Dec-09-09 08:50 AM   #4 
  - This is an insurance bill not HCR  dflprincess   Dec-09-09 01:19 PM   #122 
  - I like that too, though that's the kind of outcome I'd expect if Dems had a narrow majority  yurbud   Dec-09-09 02:07 PM   #155 
  - have you noticed that Dems are giving us table scraps and corporation filet mignon?  yurbud   Dec-09-09 02:07 PM   #156 
  - You've posted this twice in GD  MadHound   Dec-09-09 08:59 AM   #5 
  - maybe he should post on  sui generis   Dec-09-09 01:11 PM   #116 
  - I certainly am "generally supportive of progressive ideals" and  LibDemAlways   Dec-09-09 09:01 AM   #6 
  - but not politicians - "..are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals"  msongs   Dec-09-09 09:01 AM   #7 
  - Not to mention the ones who are genuinely unable to discern that they are rightward>>>>>  Echo In Light   Dec-09-09 09:51 AM   #21 
  - there are no candidates to support at this time.  dysfunctional press   Dec-09-09 09:10 AM   #8 
  - When people advocated not voting or voting 3rd party, to me that is not supporting the democrats  LynneSin   Dec-09-09 09:12 AM   #11 
  - you're welcome to your interpretation- but you don't own the site...  dysfunctional press   Dec-09-09 09:18 AM   #13 
     - No, I'm going with the rules of the democratic underground dear  LynneSin   Dec-09-09 09:19 AM   #14 
     - you're the one that seems unhappy. why would i go anywhere..?  dysfunctional press   Dec-09-09 09:23 AM   #16 
     - Sure there are!  FailingParachute   Dec-09-09 09:46 AM   #19 
     - Um, seriously, I'm not that stupid to play into your word tricks  LynneSin   Dec-09-09 09:48 AM   #20 
     - If nobody speaks up against the crapfest in washington  Warren Stupidity   Dec-09-09 10:01 AM   #27 
     - Separate the two ideas here - people are taking my one concept and trying to merge it into another  LynneSin   Dec-09-09 10:19 AM   #40 
        - Please point out where in the rules  arcadian   Dec-09-09 10:40 AM   #47 
        - " Lamont was endorsed as the candidate."  Warren Stupidity   Dec-09-09 11:03 AM   #55 
     - Refreshing to hear LynneSin n/t  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:19 AM   #64 
     - The better news is we're entitled to raise this legitimate point.  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:01 AM   #52 
        - so alert the mods and stop posing as one  Warren Stupidity   Dec-09-09 11:04 AM   #58 
           - Posing as one?  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:35 AM   #69 
              - You are giving us stern lectures about how we should behave  Warren Stupidity   Dec-09-09 01:03 PM   #109 
                 - Nope. Not going to stop.  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:08 PM   #158 
  - Nope. The time to raise this issue is now. n/t  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:03 AM   #56 
  - I understand your sentiments, and to some degree share them,  existentialist   Dec-09-09 09:11 AM   #9 
  - I'm not good at taking the high road.  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:51 AM   #81 
  - Sorry but I am not a Democratic Party sports team fanatic.  Warren Stupidity   Dec-09-09 09:12 AM   #10 
  - me either.  diamidue   Dec-09-09 11:58 AM   #85 
     - Well Said diamidue! The majority of Dems seem to be  aaronbav   Dec-09-09 12:38 PM   #98 
  - GREAT post Cary  kctim   Dec-09-09 09:17 AM   #12 
  - Do you mean peopl like these guys?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-09-09 09:21 AM   #15 
  - Kudos.  StillHopingForChange   Dec-09-09 09:40 AM   #17 
  - +1  L0oniX   Dec-09-09 10:15 AM   #37 
  - None of these say, "Don't vote" or "Not voting". So you make the OP's Point.  NYC_SKP   Dec-09-09 11:51 AM   #80 
     - What part of " take a part with either would be unworthy.." don't you get?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-09-09 12:47 PM   #104 
  - I voted against a democrat in 2008  AllentownJake   Dec-09-09 09:45 AM   #18 
  - Did you actively campaign against the Democratic PA Attorney general here at DU?  LynneSin   Dec-09-09 09:56 AM   #23 
     - I think a thread on a PA statwide race would sink in 2008 pretty fast  AllentownJake   Dec-09-09 10:04 AM   #30 
     - Obama has some great wins and some "OMG WTF" moments too  LynneSin   Dec-09-09 10:12 AM   #32 
        - Sometimes the best choice is not to support a particular democrat  AllentownJake   Dec-09-09 10:32 AM   #45 
        - You are so wise  goclark   Dec-09-09 10:52 AM   #48 
     - And Bernie caucuses with the Democrats  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:22 AM   #65 
  - I'm sorry you've been offended. However, the outrage lately has  Thickasabrick   Dec-09-09 09:53 AM   #22 
  - Then support those that run against them in the primaries  LynneSin   Dec-09-09 09:57 AM   #24 
     - If there are no current obvious challengers,the only way lay ground for that is to condemn them NOW.  closeupready   Dec-09-09 10:06 AM   #31 
     - Why?  FailingParachute   Dec-09-09 10:18 AM   #39 
        - Oh whatever  LynneSin   Dec-09-09 10:20 AM   #41 
        - I didn't expect much, based upon your beliefs in fairy tales  FailingParachute   Dec-09-09 11:17 AM   #62 
           - You know absolutely nothing about me  LynneSin   Dec-09-09 12:59 PM   #107 
        - See, you're wrong.  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:32 AM   #67 
           - BECAUSE this is democratic underground, not democratic mainstream?  sui generis   Dec-09-09 01:18 PM   #121 
  - "Generally". nt  Javaman   Dec-09-09 09:59 AM   #25 
  - Alert is your friend  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-09-09 10:00 AM   #26 
  - Tough Noogies  BakedAtAMileHigh   Dec-09-09 10:02 AM   #28 
  - Moot point. There are no candidates.  closeupready   Dec-09-09 10:03 AM   #29 
  - Our representatives no longer fear us.  Tailormyst   Dec-09-09 10:12 AM   #33 
  - Now that's some cognitive dissonance, these days.  Morning Dew   Dec-09-09 10:13 AM   #34 
  - So work to get them out of office.  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:06 AM   #60 
     - It is an important distinction.  Morning Dew   Dec-09-09 01:27 PM   #127 
        - You do what you can do.  Cary   Dec-09-09 01:42 PM   #135 
  - Hear!! hear!!! and huzzah!  jpak   Dec-09-09 10:14 AM   #35 
  - "progressive ideals" so uhm where are all these right of center asscarrots coming from?  L0oniX   Dec-09-09 10:14 AM   #36 
  - +1.......well said.  bvar22   Dec-09-09 11:12 AM   #61 
  - The problem is not with the rank and file Democrats acting like Democrats,  Vinca   Dec-09-09 10:16 AM   #38 
  - +1  Ganja Ninja   Dec-09-09 10:23 AM   #43 
  - By all means let the witch hunts begin.  shadowknows69   Dec-09-09 10:21 AM   #42 
  - Don't mind the purists  leftynyc   Dec-09-09 10:24 AM   #44 
  - Good point, but why not call them out? n/t  Cary   Dec-09-09 12:13 PM   #92 
  - You should not be offended or surprised  kctim   Dec-09-09 10:36 AM   #46 
  - It is the same tactic as "conservatives" use  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:17 AM   #63 
  - I guess this is a step-up from calling them bigots. nt  Umbral   Dec-09-09 10:54 AM   #49 
  - What do you want us to do? This needed to be a PM to Skinner.  spoony   Dec-09-09 10:54 AM   #50 
  - You don't like it that I express my point of view.  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:23 AM   #66 
     - Uhhhh your entire OP was complaining about people expressing their point of view!  spoony   Dec-09-09 11:45 AM   #75 
     - Wrong. In my OP I questioned whether people like you violate forum rules  Cary   Dec-09-09 01:52 PM   #143 
     - Odd, that was the accusation I was going to make of you based on your rather  Raineyb   Dec-09-09 01:23 PM   #123 
  - to which candidate do you refer?  branders seine   Dec-09-09 10:56 AM   #51 
  - Remember Ford(blue dog), the Nelsons, Lieberman, Landrieu  hayu_lol   Dec-09-09 11:04 AM   #57 
  - I foresee a lot of tombstones in the next 11 months  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-09-09 11:02 AM   #53 
  - I'm pissed, too.  Hatchling   Dec-09-09 11:05 AM   #59 
  - Who has abused you, and how have they abused you?  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:33 AM   #68 
     - Plenty of posters.  Hatchling   Dec-09-09 11:45 AM   #76 
        - You don't think you have been throwing tantrums?  Cary   Dec-09-09 12:05 PM   #88 
        - I completely support the Democratic Party Platform.  Hatchling   Dec-09-09 12:46 PM   #102 
        - Oh, don't forget that we want a pony and belong to the 'teabag left'  laughingliberal   Dec-09-09 12:40 PM   #99 
           - Oh, I don't want a pony.  Hatchling   Dec-09-09 12:56 PM   #106 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-09-09 01:11 PM   #115 
              - I have not advocated a boycott of Dems  laughingliberal   Dec-09-09 01:37 PM   #132 
  - The Rule Is Contradictory. You Can't Support Both Progressive Ideals AND Most Democratic Candidates  Toasterlad   Dec-09-09 11:37 AM   #70 
  - Whether you have more integrity or are smarter than I am is debatable  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:41 AM   #72 
     - How On Earth Does That Make Your Point?  Toasterlad   Dec-09-09 11:51 AM   #82 
        - When you proclaim that people who endorse Democrats. . .  Cary   Dec-09-09 12:09 PM   #90 
           - Hah.  Toasterlad   Dec-09-09 12:15 PM   #95 
              - You keep trying to change the subject  Cary   Dec-09-09 01:00 PM   #108 
                 - Perhaps You Should Read "Fun With Dick and Jane" a Few More Times  Toasterlad   Dec-09-09 01:59 PM   #148 
                    - "we are allowed to discuss the many shortcomings of the Democratic party"  laughingliberal   Dec-09-09 02:20 PM   #170 
  - It's getting out of hand  treestar   Dec-09-09 11:38 AM   #71 
  - The should unite with Freepers  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:43 AM   #73 
  - If freepers are lurking - then maybe they will start to learn what a  Thickasabrick   Dec-09-09 11:43 AM   #74 
  - And speaking of mods, it would be nice if a few of them weighed in.  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:46 AM   #77 
  - Query. How do you propose to prove that we don't or didn't support a candidate on election day?  shadowknows69   Dec-09-09 11:50 AM   #79 
     - I never suggested any such thing.  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:57 AM   #84 
  - K&R and I must have been channeling you this morning...  NYC_SKP   Dec-09-09 11:49 AM   #78 
  - It's very frustrating to come here as a solid Democrat and progressive,  Cary   Dec-09-09 11:54 AM   #83 
     - If the center ever decided to go after the right the way the do the left....  Forkboy   Dec-09-09 12:00 PM   #87 
  - Tombstone the progressives and enshrine the DLC?  debbierlus   Dec-09-09 11:59 AM   #86 
  - "Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals"  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-09-09 12:08 PM   #89 
  - How does this give you license to abuse Democrats here?  Cary   Dec-09-09 12:11 PM   #91 
  - aw, poor widdle mainstream Democrat  Neecy   Dec-09-09 12:14 PM   #93 
  - +1,000,000.  closeupready   Dec-09-09 12:52 PM   #105 
  - I think there's a great chance that people like you will give us Sarah Palin.  Cary   Dec-09-09 01:13 PM   #118 
     - "People like you"  Neecy   Dec-09-09 01:49 PM   #138 
        - Why am I getting abused here for supporting Democrats, and  Cary   Dec-09-09 01:56 PM   #145 
           - Because this is just attack-the-liberals flamebait  Neecy   Dec-09-09 02:00 PM   #150 
  - That was written back when Democrats were thought to be supportive of progressive ideals. nt  Lex   Dec-09-09 12:14 PM   #94 
  - Yay Ben Nelson!  rucky   Dec-09-09 12:16 PM   #96 
  - LOL!  Le Taz Hot   Dec-09-09 02:17 PM   #164 
  - Thank you for this post, you certainly speak for me also!  watercolors   Dec-09-09 12:20 PM   #97 
  - I was brought up to support the Catholic church  Prism   Dec-09-09 12:47 PM   #103 
  - How is "My party right or wrong" any less sheepish than "My country right or wrong"?  Raineyb   Dec-09-09 01:30 PM   #128 
  - Is there an election is the offing?  Starry Messenger   Dec-09-09 12:46 PM   #101 
  - what the fuck is a mainstream democrat? so ban me.  sui generis   Dec-09-09 01:04 PM   #110 
  - By mainstream I simply mean that I support Dems over Republicans  Cary   Dec-09-09 01:46 PM   #137 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-09-09 01:08 PM   #113 
  - The problem with liberals is we have this weird fixation on the TRUH.  asdjrocky   Dec-09-09 01:11 PM   #114 
  - Yeah, the TRUH really hurts, doesn't it?  HughMoran   Dec-09-09 01:18 PM   #120 
     - Teh TRUH cans sets u free  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 01:45 PM   #136 
  - Is the OP "generally supportive of progressive ideals"?  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 01:12 PM   #117 
  - Bullshit. n/t  Cary   Dec-09-09 01:23 PM   #124 
     - You are unable to consider the question, answer it, address the POV?  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 01:33 PM   #129 
        - I admit that I am intolerant of ignorant and abusive nonsense.  Cary   Dec-09-09 01:50 PM   #139 
           - You are behaving exactly like what you're whining about in the OP  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 02:04 PM   #152 
              - I have done nothing to undermine the Democratic Party.  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:12 PM   #160 
                 - You are talking to individual posters as if you've lumped everyone together in your mind  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 02:18 PM   #166 
  - What agenda? It would seem that the agenda you're upholding  Raineyb   Dec-09-09 01:14 PM   #119 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-09-09 01:37 PM   #131 
     - So you lecture others about being abusive...  Bjorn Against   Dec-09-09 01:56 PM   #147 
  - supporting progressive ideals and Democratic candidates are NOT the same thing  yurbud   Dec-09-09 01:25 PM   #125 
  - What about undermining the Democratic Party?  Cary   Dec-09-09 01:39 PM   #134 
     - what about elected Democrats undermining the progressive ideals of the party?  yurbud   Dec-09-09 01:55 PM   #144 
  - It is true that the Democratic party moves ever further to the  LiberalAndProud   Dec-09-09 01:34 PM   #130 
  - This is the irony here  Cary   Dec-09-09 01:38 PM   #133 
  - The irony here  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 01:51 PM   #140 
     - That's an excellent question  leftstreet   Dec-09-09 01:56 PM   #146 
     - Fine, but why should this be allowed here? n/t  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:01 PM   #151 
        - One reason to allow it is to prevent an echo chamber of mindless clones who think in lockstep  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 02:08 PM   #157 
     - You're changing the subject.  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:00 PM   #149 
        - You are avoiding the subject  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 02:15 PM   #162 
           - Bullshit again.  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:22 PM   #173 
              - Now you're projecting even more? This is crazy. Buh Bye  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 02:25 PM   #175 
  - And in the middle of writing that, I just got push-polled.  LiberalAndProud   Dec-09-09 01:51 PM   #141 
  - could you define ''mainstream Democrat''? Also, this is a DISCUSSION BOARD if we all always...  yurbud   Dec-09-09 02:05 PM   #153 
  - I did that earlier.  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:15 PM   #161 
     - "I intended to bother people."  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 02:16 PM   #163 
     - What's wrong with that?  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:19 PM   #167 
     - #162  omega minimo   Dec-09-09 02:26 PM   #178 
     - "I intended to bother people"  Neecy   Dec-09-09 02:22 PM   #172 
     - which reply was that? did you have more detail? You didn't give any policy positions except to say  yurbud   Dec-09-09 02:20 PM   #169 
        - This isn't relevant yurbud  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:25 PM   #176 
  - We want better Democrats, not pseudo-democrats!  RedCloud   Dec-09-09 02:10 PM   #159 
  - Again, politics is the art of the possible.  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:17 PM   #165 
  - In a democracy it's also the art of candidates persuading people to vote for them.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-09-09 02:24 PM   #174 
     - Not the point Tierra_y_Libertad  Cary   Dec-09-09 02:28 PM   #180 
  - Me too.  LiberalAndProud   Dec-09-09 02:21 PM   #171 
  - 'Scuze me there, Sparky.  Le Taz Hot   Dec-09-09 02:20 PM   #168 
  - Do we get a ring with that purity test? nt  tsuki   Dec-09-09 02:26 PM   #177 
  - We're locking this.  pinto   Dec-09-09 02:29 PM   #181 

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