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75. Because the only thing that stops anything is a strike from the parties doing the work itself.
While the anti-war movement wasn't successful on its own, it emboldened troops to resist and it's troop resistance that ends wars (Sir No Sir, is a fine example). Demonstrating on it own has no political power, because voting has little effect; however, what demonstrating does is it emboldens others who can change things to make a stand. The army can't function with AWOL troops protesting and accepting arrest. Workplaces can't run when workers strike.

In my view, everything we can stop or start comes from two things: (1) solidarity and (2) striking and genuine (emotional/material) support for strikes.
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  -Question: Why was the Antiwar movement during Vietnam unsuccessful? berni_mccoy  Dec-07-09 03:59 PM   #0 
  - so a person asks a serious question about a serious issue, and it gets un'recced right off?  niyad   Dec-07-09 04:02 PM   #1 
  - Because it makes an inaccurate statement, and it's more of the same.  TexasObserver   Dec-08-09 03:49 AM   #73 
  - What makes you say it was unsuccessful?  timeforpeace   Dec-07-09 04:04 PM   #2 
  - Because it was?  mitchum   Dec-07-09 04:51 PM   #38 
  - A good question worth discussing, let me add my two cents  The Straight Story   Dec-07-09 04:06 PM   #3 
  - The antiwar movement is unsuccessful because the media  Warpy   Dec-07-09 04:06 PM   #4 
  - I agree. It's more the lack of a free press now than the draft factor then. nt  valerief   Dec-07-09 04:55 PM   #41 
  - I think that is a huge difference. We did have more of a free press in those days nt  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 05:14 PM   #47 
  - Because the people protesting the war were also counter cultural  AllentownJake   Dec-07-09 04:06 PM   #5 
  - "it lead to the formation of the Christian Right"  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 04:11 PM   #10 
  - I disagree  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-08-09 06:20 AM   #77 
  - I recall the media, in a very subtle way, diminishing the anti-war folks  monmouth   Dec-07-09 04:07 PM   #6 
  - Not to hijack this thread but I believe that Kent State effectively turned the  cliffordu   Dec-07-09 04:13 PM   #12 
  - There you go...  givemebackmycountry   Dec-07-09 04:24 PM   #18 
  - I was in Vietnam then -  cliffordu   Dec-07-09 04:30 PM   #21 
  - The Marquee at UCLA said the next day "National Guard 4 Students 0"  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-07-09 04:34 PM   #27 
  - Yep - very "lawandorder' kind of country for the most part....  cliffordu   Dec-07-09 05:16 PM   #50 
  - I hadn't really thought about it that way,  Blue_In_AK   Dec-07-09 04:50 PM   #37 
  - Was that gap and Kent syncronized?  hootinholler   Dec-07-09 05:10 PM   #45 
     - I don't honestly know if they are synchronous or not -  cliffordu   Dec-07-09 05:15 PM   #49 
     - Kent state was may 4, 1970  cliffordu   Dec-07-09 05:21 PM   #52 
  - Yep, certainly correct! I recall it well! n/t  RKP5637   Dec-07-09 04:29 PM   #20 
  - The media does this with nearly every  pipoman   Dec-07-09 05:07 PM   #44 
  - A lot of the anti-war  Turbineguy   Dec-07-09 04:07 PM   #7 
  - The anti-Communism stance of the country  customerserviceguy   Dec-07-09 04:38 PM   # 
     - I don't think the effort was ineffective  Turbineguy   Dec-08-09 11:24 AM   #81 
  - I think its like anything that happens, or movements etc.. it impact is for one or two years  Peacetrain   Dec-07-09 04:09 PM   #8 
  - I wouldn't say that the anti-war movement was unsuccessful  MadHound   Dec-07-09 04:11 PM   #9 
  - Ok, I acknowledge that it did a lot more than it's original purpose...  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 04:13 PM   #11 
  - So other than being 180 degrees off the mark, the OP is dead on.  timeforpeace   Dec-07-09 04:34 PM   #26 
     - How is asking a question being 180 degrees off the mark?  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 04:37 PM   #30 
  - I agree. I think the war ended sooner because of it. So it was hardly a failure n/t  emulatorloo   Dec-07-09 04:17 PM   #16 
  - Same here!!! I think it helped a lot! n/t  RKP5637   Dec-07-09 04:31 PM   #22 
  - +1  phasma ex machina   Dec-07-09 04:38 PM   #31 
  - I agree with you.  DURHAM D   Dec-07-09 04:35 PM   #28 
  - In what way do you mean unsuccesssful?  mamaleah   Dec-07-09 04:13 PM   #13 
  - But how much of that was because of the anti-war movement?  Drunken Irishman   Dec-07-09 04:20 PM   #17 
     - I think it was successful because it did raise awareness.  mamaleah   Dec-07-09 04:27 PM   #19 
  - One word  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Dec-07-09 04:13 PM   #14 
  - The Antiwar movement during Vietnam was successful.  David Zephyr   Dec-07-09 04:14 PM   #15 
  - The anti-war movement was part of the whole social revolution of the time  lunatica   Dec-07-09 04:32 PM   #23 
  - This isn't really an answer to your question, but,  county worker   Dec-07-09 04:32 PM   #24 
  - Thanks for the historical perspective and for your service  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 04:36 PM   #29 
  - Because of all of this I came up with this saying, history is written by those who didn't live it.  county worker   Dec-07-09 04:49 PM   #35 
  - See my post #23 above yours  lunatica   Dec-07-09 05:34 PM   #56 
     - It seems to me that the violence was a result of the ineffectiveness of the anti war movement.  county worker   Dec-07-09 05:39 PM   #59 
  - I worked in the antiwar movement. You could see the numbers at protests dwindle rapidly  CTyankee   Dec-07-09 04:33 PM   #25 
  - The anti-war movement was not unsuccessful  Generic Other   Dec-07-09 04:44 PM   #32 
  - It was hardly "unsuccessful." The burning of draft cards,  Fire1   Dec-07-09 04:45 PM   #33 
  - I have two classmates that moved to Canada.  DURHAM D   Dec-07-09 04:53 PM   #40 
     - So true and good for them!! Glad to hear it! n/t  Fire1   Dec-07-09 05:15 PM   #48 
  - DUH ...it was very successful. The Kent State murders by our troops changed a lot of minds.  L0oniX   Dec-07-09 04:46 PM   #34 
  - the antiwar movement during Viet Nam was successful  branders seine   Dec-07-09 04:49 PM   #36 
  - Exactly. Without the mefdia, it is hard to make any meaningful  truedelphi   Dec-07-09 05:33 PM   #55 
  - It was successful in making Johnson a one term president.  rug   Dec-07-09 04:53 PM   #39 
  - "Won" in what sense? The first few national anti-war protests were attended by only a handful  struggle4progress   Dec-07-09 04:58 PM   #42 
  - several reasons  fishnfla   Dec-07-09 05:05 PM   #43 
  - Wow. I knew about Jane Fonda, but not the other stuff.  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 05:13 PM   #46 
     - My father told me about stuff like that.  proteus_lives   Dec-07-09 05:22 PM   #53 
     - I believe  fishnfla   Dec-07-09 05:43 PM   #60 
  - The movement was starting to be very successful, which is why it was co-opted  Nikki Stone1   Dec-07-09 05:18 PM   #51 
  - I hadn't connected that until just now but you're right  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 05:37 PM   #58 
     - Well lets not forget the rise of radicalism...  Shandris   Dec-07-09 06:49 PM   #63 
     - Infiltration. Think about Bill Ayers.  Nikki Stone1   Dec-07-09 07:02 PM   #66 
     - I remember wondering during the election about that. Here he was supposed to have been such an  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 07:37 PM   #68 
     - That would be Altamont...and I guess I was part of the radical movement  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 07:19 PM   #67 
     - It's pretty obvious in hindsight.  Nikki Stone1   Dec-07-09 06:57 PM   #65 
        - Well, that would make sense but I never even thought of it til now.  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 10:03 PM   #70 
  - There are a lot of questions in my mind about it  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 05:32 PM   #54 
  - I think if peace could make big $$$$$$$$$ for selfish people, it would be all the rage. n/t  TroglodyteScholar   Dec-07-09 05:35 PM   #57 
  - It could. Legalize Marijuana. No one would worry about fighting anymore.  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 06:43 PM   #62 
  - Change of Draft Laws  yellowwood   Dec-07-09 05:45 PM   #61 
  - Lack of direction or concert of action. nt  Deep13   Dec-07-09 06:55 PM   #64 
  - the anti-war movement itself went on for many years  MzNov   Dec-07-09 07:48 PM   #69 
  - The anti war movement was very successful during Vietnam.  TexasObserver   Dec-08-09 03:36 AM   #71 
  - We keep saying today's antiwar message is a fail. But BushCo *did* scrap plans for Iran & Yemen  Bucky   Dec-08-09 03:44 AM   #72 
  - Two major things were a draft and a free press.  mmonk   Dec-08-09 05:52 AM   #74 
  - Because the only thing that stops anything is a strike from the parties doing the work itself.  readmoreoften   Dec-08-09 06:14 AM   #75 
  - I don't understand why you say it was unsuccessful  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-08-09 06:16 AM   #76 
  - It became successful  quaker bill   Dec-08-09 06:35 AM   #78 
  - 1971 March on Washington  era veteran   Dec-08-09 06:45 AM   #79 
  - The people running this zoo.  sendero   Dec-08-09 06:46 AM   #80 
 

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