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23. The anti-war movement was part of the whole social revolution of the time
It started getting violent after 1968. One reason was during the primaries and Democratic Convention when a bunch of thugs were ordered to beat up demonstrators in Chicago. People were objecting to the war because young men were being drafted into a war that eventually killed something like 25,000 American soldiers and probably millions of Vietnamese.

1968 was a very bad year for the entire surge of popular counter-culture movement. It was the year that MLK Jr and Bobby Kennedy were assassinated. 1967 was the year of the Summer of Love which ended when Charles Manson and his group viciously murdered Sharon Tate and others. The mood turned ugly and Woodstock in 1969 pretty much marked the swan song of the popular movement.

Nixon became President in 1969 and escalated the Vietnam war initially and ordered illegal incursions into other countries surrounding Vietnam. His response to the demonstrations was violent, which backfired on him since by that time no one wanted to be drafted into a bloody and meaningless war. People were fighting for their lives by then. He was eventually pressured into negotiating a cease fire with North Vietnam, which I recall seemed to take forever. Then he committed the crimes of ordering a break in to find dirt and secrets about the Democratic National Committee in the Watergate office building.
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  -Question: Why was the Antiwar movement during Vietnam unsuccessful? berni_mccoy  Dec-07-09 03:59 PM   #0 
  - so a person asks a serious question about a serious issue, and it gets un'recced right off?  niyad   Dec-07-09 04:02 PM   #1 
  - Because it makes an inaccurate statement, and it's more of the same.  TexasObserver   Dec-08-09 03:49 AM   #73 
  - What makes you say it was unsuccessful?  timeforpeace   Dec-07-09 04:04 PM   #2 
  - Because it was?  mitchum   Dec-07-09 04:51 PM   #38 
  - A good question worth discussing, let me add my two cents  The Straight Story   Dec-07-09 04:06 PM   #3 
  - The antiwar movement is unsuccessful because the media  Warpy   Dec-07-09 04:06 PM   #4 
  - I agree. It's more the lack of a free press now than the draft factor then. nt  valerief   Dec-07-09 04:55 PM   #41 
  - I think that is a huge difference. We did have more of a free press in those days nt  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 05:14 PM   #47 
  - Because the people protesting the war were also counter cultural  AllentownJake   Dec-07-09 04:06 PM   #5 
  - "it lead to the formation of the Christian Right"  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 04:11 PM   #10 
  - I disagree  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-08-09 06:20 AM   #77 
  - I recall the media, in a very subtle way, diminishing the anti-war folks  monmouth   Dec-07-09 04:07 PM   #6 
  - Not to hijack this thread but I believe that Kent State effectively turned the  cliffordu   Dec-07-09 04:13 PM   #12 
  - There you go...  givemebackmycountry   Dec-07-09 04:24 PM   #18 
  - I was in Vietnam then -  cliffordu   Dec-07-09 04:30 PM   #21 
  - The Marquee at UCLA said the next day "National Guard 4 Students 0"  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-07-09 04:34 PM   #27 
  - Yep - very "lawandorder' kind of country for the most part....  cliffordu   Dec-07-09 05:16 PM   #50 
  - I hadn't really thought about it that way,  Blue_In_AK   Dec-07-09 04:50 PM   #37 
  - Was that gap and Kent syncronized?  hootinholler   Dec-07-09 05:10 PM   #45 
     - I don't honestly know if they are synchronous or not -  cliffordu   Dec-07-09 05:15 PM   #49 
     - Kent state was may 4, 1970  cliffordu   Dec-07-09 05:21 PM   #52 
  - Yep, certainly correct! I recall it well! n/t  RKP5637   Dec-07-09 04:29 PM   #20 
  - The media does this with nearly every  pipoman   Dec-07-09 05:07 PM   #44 
  - A lot of the anti-war  Turbineguy   Dec-07-09 04:07 PM   #7 
  - The anti-Communism stance of the country  customerserviceguy   Dec-07-09 04:38 PM   # 
     - I don't think the effort was ineffective  Turbineguy   Dec-08-09 11:24 AM   #81 
  - I think its like anything that happens, or movements etc.. it impact is for one or two years  Peacetrain   Dec-07-09 04:09 PM   #8 
  - I wouldn't say that the anti-war movement was unsuccessful  MadHound   Dec-07-09 04:11 PM   #9 
  - Ok, I acknowledge that it did a lot more than it's original purpose...  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 04:13 PM   #11 
  - So other than being 180 degrees off the mark, the OP is dead on.  timeforpeace   Dec-07-09 04:34 PM   #26 
     - How is asking a question being 180 degrees off the mark?  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 04:37 PM   #30 
  - I agree. I think the war ended sooner because of it. So it was hardly a failure n/t  emulatorloo   Dec-07-09 04:17 PM   #16 
  - Same here!!! I think it helped a lot! n/t  RKP5637   Dec-07-09 04:31 PM   #22 
  - +1  phasma ex machina   Dec-07-09 04:38 PM   #31 
  - I agree with you.  DURHAM D   Dec-07-09 04:35 PM   #28 
  - In what way do you mean unsuccesssful?  mamaleah   Dec-07-09 04:13 PM   #13 
  - But how much of that was because of the anti-war movement?  Drunken Irishman   Dec-07-09 04:20 PM   #17 
     - I think it was successful because it did raise awareness.  mamaleah   Dec-07-09 04:27 PM   #19 
  - One word  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Dec-07-09 04:13 PM   #14 
  - The Antiwar movement during Vietnam was successful.  David Zephyr   Dec-07-09 04:14 PM   #15 
  - The anti-war movement was part of the whole social revolution of the time  lunatica   Dec-07-09 04:32 PM   #23 
  - This isn't really an answer to your question, but,  county worker   Dec-07-09 04:32 PM   #24 
  - Thanks for the historical perspective and for your service  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 04:36 PM   #29 
  - Because of all of this I came up with this saying, history is written by those who didn't live it.  county worker   Dec-07-09 04:49 PM   #35 
  - See my post #23 above yours  lunatica   Dec-07-09 05:34 PM   #56 
     - It seems to me that the violence was a result of the ineffectiveness of the anti war movement.  county worker   Dec-07-09 05:39 PM   #59 
  - I worked in the antiwar movement. You could see the numbers at protests dwindle rapidly  CTyankee   Dec-07-09 04:33 PM   #25 
  - The anti-war movement was not unsuccessful  Generic Other   Dec-07-09 04:44 PM   #32 
  - It was hardly "unsuccessful." The burning of draft cards,  Fire1   Dec-07-09 04:45 PM   #33 
  - I have two classmates that moved to Canada.  DURHAM D   Dec-07-09 04:53 PM   #40 
     - So true and good for them!! Glad to hear it! n/t  Fire1   Dec-07-09 05:15 PM   #48 
  - DUH was very successful. The Kent State murders by our troops changed a lot of minds.  L0oniX   Dec-07-09 04:46 PM   #34 
  - the antiwar movement during Viet Nam was successful  branders seine   Dec-07-09 04:49 PM   #36 
  - Exactly. Without the mefdia, it is hard to make any meaningful  truedelphi   Dec-07-09 05:33 PM   #55 
  - It was successful in making Johnson a one term president.  rug   Dec-07-09 04:53 PM   #39 
  - "Won" in what sense? The first few national anti-war protests were attended by only a handful  struggle4progress   Dec-07-09 04:58 PM   #42 
  - several reasons  fishnfla   Dec-07-09 05:05 PM   #43 
  - Wow. I knew about Jane Fonda, but not the other stuff.  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 05:13 PM   #46 
     - My father told me about stuff like that.  proteus_lives   Dec-07-09 05:22 PM   #53 
     - I believe  fishnfla   Dec-07-09 05:43 PM   #60 
  - The movement was starting to be very successful, which is why it was co-opted  Nikki Stone1   Dec-07-09 05:18 PM   #51 
  - I hadn't connected that until just now but you're right  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 05:37 PM   #58 
     - Well lets not forget the rise of radicalism...  Shandris   Dec-07-09 06:49 PM   #63 
     - Infiltration. Think about Bill Ayers.  Nikki Stone1   Dec-07-09 07:02 PM   #66 
     - I remember wondering during the election about that. Here he was supposed to have been such an  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 07:37 PM   #68 
     - That would be Altamont...and I guess I was part of the radical movement  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 07:19 PM   #67 
     - It's pretty obvious in hindsight.  Nikki Stone1   Dec-07-09 06:57 PM   #65 
        - Well, that would make sense but I never even thought of it til now.  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 10:03 PM   #70 
  - There are a lot of questions in my mind about it  laughingliberal   Dec-07-09 05:32 PM   #54 
  - I think if peace could make big $$$$$$$$$ for selfish people, it would be all the rage. n/t  TroglodyteScholar   Dec-07-09 05:35 PM   #57 
  - It could. Legalize Marijuana. No one would worry about fighting anymore.  berni_mccoy   Dec-07-09 06:43 PM   #62 
  - Change of Draft Laws  yellowwood   Dec-07-09 05:45 PM   #61 
  - Lack of direction or concert of action. nt  Deep13   Dec-07-09 06:55 PM   #64 
  - the anti-war movement itself went on for many years  MzNov   Dec-07-09 07:48 PM   #69 
  - The anti war movement was very successful during Vietnam.  TexasObserver   Dec-08-09 03:36 AM   #71 
  - We keep saying today's antiwar message is a fail. But BushCo *did* scrap plans for Iran & Yemen  Bucky   Dec-08-09 03:44 AM   #72 
  - Two major things were a draft and a free press.  mmonk   Dec-08-09 05:52 AM   #74 
  - Because the only thing that stops anything is a strike from the parties doing the work itself.  readmoreoften   Dec-08-09 06:14 AM   #75 
  - I don't understand why you say it was unsuccessful  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-08-09 06:16 AM   #76 
  - It became successful  quaker bill   Dec-08-09 06:35 AM   #78 
  - 1971 March on Washington  era veteran   Dec-08-09 06:45 AM   #79 
  - The people running this zoo.  sendero   Dec-08-09 06:46 AM   #80 

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