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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 09:33 AM
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19. Gay sex has yet to cause a single unintended pregnancy. n/t
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  -What percent of gay men are infected with HIV? dsc  Dec-06-09 08:35 AM   #0 
  - ?????  Djarun   Dec-06-09 08:37 AM   #1 
  - Children are easier to get rid of and aren't lethal...  Deja Q   Dec-06-09 08:42 AM   #3 
     - invalid comparison?  Djarun   Dec-06-09 08:49 AM   #11 
  - Thank you for your work on this dsc.  Starry Messenger   Dec-06-09 08:41 AM   #2 
  - I also agree, excellent post. Insightful and it raises genuine thought.  Deja Q   Dec-06-09 08:43 AM   #5 
  - what percentage of gay men refuse to use condoms?  crazyjoe   Dec-06-09 08:43 AM   #4 
  - I haven't a clue  dsc   Dec-06-09 08:45 AM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-09 08:45 AM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-09 08:47 AM   #8 
  - That's some seriously fucked up logic.  PeaceNikki   Dec-06-09 08:49 AM   #10 
  - Why should gays be required to be more "emotionally ready" than straights?  aquart   Dec-06-09 08:55 AM   #12 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-06-09 08:58 AM   #14 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-06-09 09:29 AM   #18 
  - And how many gay people in California didn't want to marry until they knew  Lyric   Dec-06-09 10:32 AM   #30 
  - Jesus - there's so much wrong with this.  donco6   Dec-06-09 10:43 AM   #32 
  - a couple of things  dsc   Dec-06-09 10:55 AM   #35 
  - A lot of people didn't get married because they didn't want  ruggerson   Dec-06-09 11:11 AM   #41 
  - Probabally the same percent that are infected with AIDS  niceypoo   Dec-06-09 11:47 AM   #50 
  - Sorry, but this is just dumb  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 12:00 PM   #52 
  - I never said gay men refuse to use condoms, I'm saying that if you don't,  crazyjoe   Dec-07-09 11:26 AM   #56 
  - Probably the same as the amount of straight men who refuse to.  name not needed   Dec-07-09 05:56 PM   #61 
  - Probably not as many as straight men wth herpes  Mugweed   Dec-06-09 08:47 AM   #9 
  - Or as many straight men with children out of "wedlock"  Djarun   Dec-06-09 08:56 AM   #13 
     - Gay sex has yet to cause a single unintended pregnancy. n/t  Unvanguard   Dec-06-09 09:33 AM   #19 
     - thank goodness for that  Djarun   Dec-06-09 10:54 AM   #34 
     - Not really a valid comparison  JonQ   Dec-06-09 11:25 AM   #45 
  - The city estimate is almost certainly high. Urban populations are not representative.  Unvanguard   Dec-06-09 09:04 AM   #15 
  - The urban rates reported are somewhat greater than the rural rates, but the difference isn't huge:  struggle4progress   Dec-07-09 03:37 PM   #59 
     - No, the difference is probably larger than that.  Unvanguard   Dec-07-09 05:49 PM   #60 
        - Sorry, no cigar: look at the definitions in the report I linked:  struggle4progress   Dec-07-09 07:48 PM   #63 
           - Yes, I know that's true of the report you linked.  Unvanguard   Dec-07-09 09:24 PM   #65 
              - Here's the MMWR link for the five city study:  struggle4progress   Dec-07-09 09:40 PM   #66 
                 - But they are not taking a random sample of people in that area.  Unvanguard   Dec-07-09 09:46 PM   #67 
                    - Those may be perfectly cogent remarks. But public health policy will be based on  struggle4progress   Dec-07-09 10:09 PM   #68 
  - Even if the FDA allows gay men to donate blood it is likely to..  brewens   Dec-06-09 09:13 AM   #16 
  - some do out of not having a willing partner  dsc   Dec-06-09 09:14 AM   #17 
  - You've made a few serious statistical errors. Your numbers corrected correspond with the CDC  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 09:44 AM   #20 
  - No it isn't as I mentioned in the other thread  dsc   Dec-06-09 10:04 AM   #22 
  - You have to stop thinking about it as a single study. It's based on "National Surveillance" studies  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 10:10 AM   #25 
     - But the figures you quote do come from large cities only  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-09 10:20 AM   #26 
     - 1 in 10 sounds about right.  Unvanguard   Dec-06-09 10:23 AM   #28 
     - I don't see it as behavior -- its the issue of sexual community  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 10:54 AM   #33 
        - No it isn't  dsc   Dec-06-09 10:56 AM   #36 
        - Your table shows infection rates in Baltimore and 4 other cities  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-09 11:22 AM   #44 
           - Here's what the CDC says about the overall national numbers  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 11:33 AM   #48 
              - I'll reiterate: the 13% figure only comes if you use the 3.7% figure for 'had anal sex'  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-09 11:43 AM   #49 
                 - So let's say 10%  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 11:58 AM   #51 
                    - No, let's say "1 in 12", since that's what the CDC says  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-09 01:48 PM   #53 
     - No it isn't  dsc   Dec-06-09 10:21 AM   #27 
     - You're confusing several things now  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 11:01 AM   #38 
        - your table is totaly unlabled so we haven't a clue where it came from  dsc   Dec-06-09 05:31 PM   #54 
           - It came from the CDC fact sheet I linked to. Also the table itself has a footnote at the bottom  HamdenRice   Dec-07-09 05:29 AM   #55 
     - That doesn't answer the question, though.  Unvanguard   Dec-06-09 10:24 AM   #29 
     - The national surveillance study looks at a wide variety of sources  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 10:57 AM   #37 
     - The NHBS wasn't designed to determine *prevalence* it was developed  pinto   Dec-06-09 11:26 AM   #46 
  - Which "CDC statistics" are you referring to?  Unvanguard   Dec-06-09 10:05 AM   #23 
  - +1.  Gormy Cuss   Dec-06-09 10:07 AM   #24 
  - I also applaud dsc for trying to look at this rationally and come up with a statistical viewpoint  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 11:22 AM   #43 
  - The figures you cite are idiotic  ruggerson   Dec-06-09 11:04 AM   #39 
  - So the CDC is idiotic?  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 11:10 AM   #40 
  - He noted gay men only. Add bisexual men to the math, and he's still basically correct.  Touchdown   Dec-07-09 03:27 PM   #58 
  - Actually, all stats would be what is termed "self-reported," and therefore suspect.  nealmhughes   Dec-06-09 10:01 AM   #21 
  - Estimating the rate of HIV infection by the numbers going for testing  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-06-09 10:42 AM   #31 
  - The whole "study"  TicketyBoo   Dec-06-09 11:15 AM   #42 
  - I would say this is next to impossible to figure out  JonQ   Dec-06-09 11:27 AM   #47 
  - ... During June 2004--April 2005, participants in five NHBS cities (Baltimore, Maryland; Los Angeles  struggle4progress   Dec-07-09 03:14 PM   #57 
     - The CDC estimates the number of MSM unaware of being HIV positive at 21%  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-07-09 06:07 PM   #62 
        - I'll certainly agree the CDC methodology (using later diagnoses to estimate currently undiagnosed  struggle4progress   Dec-07-09 08:45 PM   #64 
 

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