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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 09:50 AM
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134. I figured...
for some reason I thought Aids hit in the early to mid 80's.. but I suppose they probably want to go back a few years before that. I'm 32.. I guess I didn't realize that this disease has really been around all of my lifetime.

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  -Time to end ban on gay men giving blood? The Straight Story  Dec-05-09 04:11 PM   #0 
  - Long past time  harkadog   Dec-05-09 04:24 PM   #1 
  - Yes, the ban illogical, all of the blood has to be tested anyways. nt  ZombieHorde   Dec-05-09 04:24 PM   #2 
  - I wasnt aware gay men couldnt give blood  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-05-09 04:27 PM   # 
  - Neither did I  TorchTheWitch   Dec-07-09 01:45 PM   #128 
  - Absolutely. The American Red Cross has been trying to get the ban lifted.  PeaceNikki   Dec-05-09 04:27 PM   #3 
  - Yes. (nt)  petronius   Dec-05-09 04:53 PM   #4 
  - Way, way past due. n/t  Rhythm   Dec-05-09 05:00 PM   #5 
  - The demographics of infection vary country to country. In the US, here is the data  struggle4progress   Dec-05-09 05:46 PM   #6 
  - Gee, you could have just said "no"  Bluebear   Dec-05-09 06:08 PM   #7 
  - Gee, you could have read all the links I posted  struggle4progress   Dec-05-09 08:49 PM   #16 
     - So what is your answer, O Struggler, given all these "links" and stats?  Bluebear   Dec-05-09 09:04 PM   #19 
        - Facts first, analysis later n/t  struggle4progress   Dec-06-09 12:45 AM   #48 
  - I could see having gay men who have had sex with a man outside a monogamous relationship  dsc   Dec-05-09 07:39 PM   #14 
  - Perhaps issues like this should be wrapped into a larger long-term fight for national health care,  struggle4progress   Dec-06-09 12:39 AM   #47 
  - I advocated that view about six months ago  sandnsea   Dec-07-09 08:31 PM   #133 
  - So heterosexual women shouldn't donate blood either?  readmoreoften   Dec-06-09 01:30 PM   #75 
  - Absolutely.  berni_mccoy   Dec-05-09 06:08 PM   #8 
  - Absofreakinglutely. n/t  Yes We Did   Dec-05-09 06:11 PM   #9 
  - Um, yes.  Chan790   Dec-05-09 06:19 PM   #10 
  - The gay community has done a very good job of policing itself.  Tim01   Dec-05-09 06:26 PM   #11 
  - Yes, the ban should be lifted ....  gleaner   Dec-05-09 06:33 PM   #12 
  - I think it is long past time  Skittles   Dec-05-09 07:17 PM   #13 
  - HIV rates are still catastrophic in the gay community  HamdenRice   Dec-05-09 07:50 PM   #15 
  - Could you cite all these dramatic statistics you mention? Even though I know you lecture on this  Bluebear   Dec-05-09 09:09 PM   #23 
  - If you check the statistics...  HamdenRice   Dec-05-09 10:47 PM   #38 
     - 'The chances that a MSM is HIV+ is 1 in 4' *****BULLSHIT*****  Bluebear   Dec-05-09 10:55 PM   #41 
        - Uh, no. Sadly the rate of prevalence is between 16% and 25%  HamdenRice   Dec-05-09 10:57 PM   #42 
        - The majority of those living with HIV were nonwhite (65.4%)  Bluebear   Dec-05-09 11:01 PM   #43 
        - Yes, but MSMs of color are the reason  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 06:49 AM   #57 
        - CDC: Blacks, gays at high risk for HIV infections  Bluebear   Dec-05-09 11:02 PM   #44 
           - And this should be something we are united on, but I just don't get your hostility  HamdenRice   Dec-05-09 11:09 PM   #45 
              - because your Agenda is well known.  Bluebear   Dec-06-09 02:00 AM   #53 
              - Oh. My. God! I've been discovered!!!! My agenda is known!!!  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 06:37 AM   #54 
                 - Your agenda has been clear for some time now.  QC   Dec-06-09 11:15 AM   #73 
                 - Yes, your agenda is well known.  readmoreoften   Dec-06-09 01:40 PM   #78 
                 - Your agenda has been transparent for some time.  donco6   Dec-06-09 08:29 PM   #96 
              - Hmmm...it might not hurt you to check your own hostility toward GLBT people.  Jamastiene   Dec-06-09 06:39 AM   #55 
              - Yes, but still allowed to troll his bigotry in every other DU forum...  TokenQueer   Dec-07-09 06:17 AM   #112 
              - Your numbers are insane. 20% of urban gay men are not HIV positive.  readmoreoften   Dec-06-09 01:51 PM   #81 
                 - A Chicago Health Department study of 500+ this summer found 17% HIV positive, half being unaware  struggle4progress   Dec-06-09 03:18 PM   #85 
                 - You're in denial. Why would the CDC and all these other medical studies lie?  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 04:38 PM   #88 
                    - I'm urban. I can assure you 25% of my friends are not HIV+  donco6   Dec-06-09 09:14 PM   #104 
                       - Maybe it's generational?  HamdenRice   Dec-07-09 05:55 AM   #109 
                          - This study didn't mention hospitals, health orgs or patients.  donco6   Dec-07-09 07:43 AM   #113 
                             - The data isn't from one study  HamdenRice   Dec-07-09 08:32 AM   #116 
                                - But still, if you're adding skewed data to your data pool -  donco6   Dec-07-09 10:16 AM   #121 
                                   - The CDC are among the best epidemiologists in the world. That's their overall conclusion.  HamdenRice   Dec-07-09 11:24 AM   #125 
                                      - If I were saying that, I would agree.  donco6   Dec-07-09 12:16 PM   #126 
        - HIV/AIDS among Men Who Have Sex with Men (CDC)  struggle4progress   Dec-06-09 01:31 AM   #50 
           - 'in five U.S. cities' - nowhere does it pretend to be a national or world statistic, progressive one  Bluebear   Dec-06-09 01:58 AM   #52 
              - I wish people understood more about statistics and sampling  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 06:42 AM   #56 
              - It is true that statistical samples are accurate but by selecting all city dwellers  dsc   Dec-06-09 07:01 AM   #59 
              - Plus it only tested men who shows up at venues.  donco6   Dec-06-09 08:37 PM   #97 
                 - According to a survey taken at The Anvil, 97.6% of gay men are into S&M! n/t  QC   Dec-06-09 08:40 PM   #98 
                 - GASP! Who knew?  donco6   Dec-06-09 08:58 PM   #101 
                    - I recently took a survey at the garden club meeting  QC   Dec-06-09 09:08 PM   #102 
                       - But it's not projecting.  donco6   Dec-06-09 09:09 PM   #103 
                          - Exactly! n/t  QC   Dec-06-09 09:21 PM   #105 
                 - Definitely not true  HamdenRice   Dec-07-09 06:00 AM   #110 
                    - And again,  donco6   Dec-07-09 07:49 AM   #115 
              - It's called unwarranted generalization. The CDC has no idea what the population of MSM is.  readmoreoften   Dec-06-09 01:43 PM   #79 
              - 1999 is most recent data I could find in quick www search  panzerfaust   Dec-06-09 09:30 AM   #67 
              - Thank you. The suggestion that 25% of gay men are HIV positive in the US is ludicrous  readmoreoften   Dec-06-09 01:44 PM   #80 
                 - Modeling may support figures in that range:  struggle4progress   Dec-06-09 03:23 PM   #87 
                    - there is no way that this would be modeled by an exponential function  dsc   Dec-06-09 07:07 PM   #93 
                       - Faculty/Staff Ronald D. Stall, PhD, MPH  struggle4progress   Dec-06-09 08:41 PM   #99 
                          - this describes an exponential model  dsc   Dec-06-09 08:47 PM   #100 
                             - I'm not sure what calculation you're doing -- or perhaps I'm unclear what you mean by  struggle4progress   Dec-06-09 10:27 PM   #106 
                                - going up by x% a year is an exponential model  dsc   Dec-06-09 10:59 PM   #108 
                                   - No, that's not what exponential is  HamdenRice   Dec-07-09 06:03 AM   #111 
                                      - that isn't what he meant though  dsc   Dec-07-09 02:30 PM   #130 
              - Public health policy can only be made on the basis of available information. Feel free  struggle4progress   Dec-06-09 12:20 PM   #74 
                 - I could post Paul Cameron's work. It would be just about as accurate. n/t  donco6   Dec-07-09 07:47 AM   #114 
                    - My link was the CDC. Again: do feel free to provide information you consider more accurate.  struggle4progress   Dec-07-09 02:13 PM   #129 
                    - My link was the CDC. Again: do feel free to provide information you consider more accurate.  struggle4progress   Dec-07-09 08:04 PM   #131 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-05-09 09:23 PM   #27 
  - wow, these days you don't even bother to try. i get a little grossed out to think i ever thought of  La Lioness Priyanka   Dec-06-09 08:54 AM   #61 
  - Sadly, no.  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 09:39 AM   #68 
  - Wow, where'd you get your made up, nonsense numbers.  readmoreoften   Dec-06-09 01:39 PM   #77 
     - +1  Starry Messenger   Dec-06-09 02:18 PM   #82 
     - Quelle surprise.  Bluebear   Dec-06-09 02:20 PM   #83 
     - "There's no homophobia on DU"  Starry Messenger   Dec-06-09 03:20 PM   #86 
     - How is saying people are suffering from a disease demonizing them?  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 04:41 PM   #89 
        - Just can't help yourself, can you?  Starry Messenger   Dec-06-09 04:50 PM   #91 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-09 06:51 PM   #92 
              - Big talk from a Shirley Maclaine fan.  Starry Messenger   Dec-06-09 08:22 PM   #95 
     - CDC = Focus on the Family?  HamdenRice   Dec-06-09 04:43 PM   #90 
  - i heard about it a year ago. surprised. couldnt believe it. had to get confirmation  seabeyond   Dec-05-09 08:50 PM   #17 
  - I had no idea there was such a restriction. How bogus is that restriction?  Shell Beau   Dec-05-09 08:54 PM   #18 
  - Stupid. How the hell they gonna know you're gay?  timeforpeace   Dec-05-09 09:08 PM   #20 
  - they ask you  Skittles   Dec-05-09 10:13 PM   #35 
  - They ask about sexual intercourse with other men. n/t  Unvanguard   Dec-05-09 10:42 PM   #37 
  - Wow...just wow - I had no idea there was a ban. nt  Thickasabrick   Dec-05-09 09:08 PM   #21 
  - I am stunned that this policy even exists.  tmyers09   Dec-05-09 09:09 PM   #22 
  - They'll never get a drop nor a dime from this lesbian until they do. n/t  libnnc   Dec-05-09 09:11 PM   #24 
  - If you are referring to the red cross they are not to blame  dsc   Dec-05-09 09:19 PM   #25 
     - My partner tried giving blood about ten years ago  libnnc   Dec-05-09 09:22 PM   #26 
        - I agree but the blame now rests squarely on the government  dsc   Dec-05-09 09:24 PM   #28 
        - And until those forms are changed, I shall not give blood. n/t  libnnc   Dec-05-09 09:34 PM   #30 
           - I agree with that  dsc   Dec-05-09 09:43 PM   #31 
        - I just realized she actually can give as can you  dsc   Dec-05-09 10:22 PM   #36 
  - I was clueless had no idea there was a ban of "gay blood".  Statistical   Dec-05-09 09:34 PM   #29 
  - Even if it was, they test all blood now regardless of where it came from.  Lyric   Dec-05-09 09:54 PM   #32 
  - It is definitely time to end this ban  liberal_at_heart   Dec-05-09 10:10 PM   #33 
  - I'm not gay  Retired AF Dem   Dec-05-09 10:12 PM   #34 
  - I don't think you are permanently banned  dsc   Dec-05-09 10:48 PM   #39 
  - Yes, we are  MH1   Dec-06-09 09:20 AM   #66 
  - Fear of the Mad Cow?  MilesColtrane   Dec-06-09 01:29 AM   #49 
  - It depends. Are they still corrupting the sanctity of heterosexual marriage?  Orrex   Dec-05-09 10:49 PM   #40 
  - i don't see it happening until they develop a reliable way to test blood for cooties...  dysfunctional press   Dec-05-09 11:18 PM   #46 
  - Why do they need a ban at all?  mamaleah   Dec-06-09 01:57 AM   #51 
  - Scientifically there is no reason to deny them any more.  Locut0s   Dec-06-09 07:01 AM   #58 
  - I'll also add they need to lift the travel ban based on HIV status  JonLP24   Dec-06-09 08:50 AM   #60 
  - it finally changed a few weeks ago  dsc   Dec-06-09 09:05 AM   #63 
  - yes.  KG   Dec-06-09 09:00 AM   #62 
  - The OP article is about the UK (nt)  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-06-09 10:01 AM   #69 
  - Should previously pregnant women be banned from giving blood?  panzerfaust   Dec-06-09 09:05 AM   #64 
  - if a relatively inexpensive test can determine if the blood carries HIV, then yes  MH1   Dec-06-09 09:16 AM   #65 
  - all blood is tested for HIV  La Lioness Priyanka   Dec-06-09 10:03 AM   #70 
     - if it's a high reliability test then the ban should be lifted  MH1   Dec-06-09 10:05 AM   #71 
  - This policy is relic from the hyperfear culture of the 1980s regaring HIV  aikoaiko   Dec-06-09 11:00 AM   #72 
  - I can't give blood because I lived in England a few years  itsrobert   Dec-06-09 01:33 PM   #76 
  - One of the conservative parties in Norway  KitSileya   Dec-06-09 02:43 PM   #84 
  - I've never understood this everytime I give blood. I have always been under the  recoveringrepublican   Dec-06-09 08:21 PM   #94 
  - I'm ineligible, I spent more than 3 months in England between my birth and 1996.  scrinmaster   Dec-06-09 10:31 PM   #107 
  - I think the limit is now 5 years.  Renew Deal   Dec-07-09 09:36 AM   #120 
     - Nah, it's five years for the rest of Europe. Just three months for England/UK.  scrinmaster   Dec-07-09 11:02 AM   #122 
  - Don't they test every drop that is donated anyway??  RoadRage   Dec-07-09 08:47 AM   #117 
  - I think they mix up a bunch of donations, then test it.  scrinmaster   Dec-07-09 11:09 AM   #123 
  - I don't know enough about the issue to comment.  beyond cynical   Dec-07-09 09:04 AM   #118 
  - I gave blood last week.  Renew Deal   Dec-07-09 09:32 AM   #119 
  - Well, thankfully all of my homosexual acts took place in 1976 or before...  RoadRage   Dec-07-09 11:20 AM   #124 
     - I'm pretty sure it has something to do with AIDS  Renew Deal   Dec-07-09 01:29 PM   #127 
        - I figured...  RoadRage   Dec-08-09 09:50 AM   #134 
  - Yes  mcablue   Dec-07-09 08:06 PM   #132 
 

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