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19. Three months old??
:( That's child abuse. Nothing more to be said.
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  -"To Train up a Child"...the alarming discipline methods of Debi and Michael Pearl madfloridian  Dec-04-09 01:01 AM   #0 
  - What they advocate is nothing less than ABUSE.  CaliforniaPeggy   Dec-04-09 01:06 AM   #1 
  - This is what some of the "Yearning from Zion" ranch members said about the place.  SharonAnn   Dec-05-09 08:35 PM   #162 
  - Sounds like a pro-child abuse manifesto.  Fridays Child   Dec-04-09 01:08 AM   #2 
  - The Children of God and the Twelve Tribes also advocate child abuse. n/t  FarLeftFist   Dec-04-09 01:10 AM   #3 
  - I immediately thought of Twelve Tribes  cali   Dec-04-09 03:06 AM   #13 
  - Children of God encourage pedophilia. nt  AnotherMother4Peace   Dec-04-09 07:57 PM   #125 
  - He can't even raise a dog to be obedient without losing his cool.  Quantess   Dec-04-09 01:14 AM   #4 
  - It's clear in his writing of that little anecdote that he thinks it's cute.  Pithlet   Dec-04-09 01:17 PM   #71 
     - "...both of us scratching and clawing and growling and swinging the belt"  the blues   Dec-04-09 04:48 PM   #106 
  - Sounds like my father's preferred method of child rearing.  PDJane   Dec-04-09 01:17 AM   #5 
  - Yeah, mine, too.  PSzymeczek   Dec-04-09 04:17 PM   #103 
  - Let's see: this method of child rearing is likely to produce...  Kutjara   Dec-04-09 01:22 AM   #6 
  - Or good "Christians" nt  Chemisse   Dec-04-09 04:11 AM   #15 
  - Exactly - it creates blind followers who were broken to obedience as infants  Shallah Kali   Dec-04-09 01:01 PM   #65 
     - For me, the most chilling phrase of all in the...  Kutjara   Dec-04-09 04:48 PM   #105 
        - They believe infants are born evil. new born babies!!!  Shallah Kali   Dec-04-09 05:27 PM   #109 
  - Sounds like a typical fundie to me.  Zoeisright   Dec-04-09 01:30 AM   #7 
  - The Cascade, Iowa newspaper actually thinks Dobson is qualified to give advise  47of74   Dec-04-09 01:37 AM   #8 
  - It's a very risky strategy for a family  Trillo   Dec-04-09 01:51 AM   #9 
  - Their kids will grow up to hate them.  girl gone mad   Dec-04-09 02:31 AM   #10 
  - It's worse than that.  surrealAmerican   Dec-04-09 11:13 AM   #30 
     - and a good way to raise modern conservatives. Fear and hate...  krabigirl   Dec-04-09 11:40 AM   #43 
  - This is deliberate saddism.  Cobalt-60   Dec-04-09 02:44 AM   #11 
  - That's often what happens--the kids hit back at the parents when they get big enough  Quantess   Dec-04-09 02:14 PM   #82 
  - I also want to add that I'm sorry to hear that you went through that.  Quantess   Dec-05-09 02:01 AM   #146 
     - thanks but dont sweat it.  Cobalt-60   Dec-05-09 08:12 AM   #149 
  - there is also "wife spanking" that's quite popular with the same sort  KakistocracyHater   Dec-04-09 03:03 AM   #12 
  - Yes, I have read some of their bulletin boards  get the red out   Dec-04-09 12:58 PM   #64 
  - totally agree with you. If anyone finds a way to say no to the God of these  KakistocracyHater   Dec-04-09 07:13 PM   #118 
  - Found an article on that at Salon {{{shudder}}}  Shallah Kali   Dec-04-09 01:26 PM   #73 
     - at least I am not alone in watching this madness, I'm glad you put a link up  KakistocracyHater   Dec-04-09 07:14 PM   #119 
     - Oh, my, did you follow some of the links from that christian discipline site?  madfloridian   Dec-04-09 09:10 PM   #130 
  - Puts me in mind of fetish and bondage training.  juno jones   Dec-04-09 03:52 AM   #14 
  - They should be kept away from helpless people and animals.  Judi Lynn   Dec-04-09 04:50 AM   #16 
  - Pearl is another pissy little asshat trying to pull off the whole patriarch shtick  mitchum   Dec-04-09 01:37 PM   #74 
  - You're right: he's role-playing, absolutely. He simply looks rigid, and stupid. n/t  Judi Lynn   Dec-05-09 02:17 AM   #148 
  - Thanks, I was looking for a picture of these sick fucks.  arcadian   Dec-04-09 02:50 PM   #91 
     - They were both raised in Memphis, and currently live in rural Tennessee. n/t  Judi Lynn   Dec-05-09 02:14 AM   #147 
  - It's just mean and in some way this method  Are_grits_groceries   Dec-04-09 05:33 AM   #17 
  - It is mean and sadistic.  madfloridian   Dec-04-09 10:51 AM   #26 
  - This is so sad :(  krabigirl   Dec-04-09 11:40 AM   #41 
  - I have become increasingly disturbed, reading political boards,  woo me with science   Dec-04-09 05:36 AM   #18 
  - As an anti-spanking zealot...  redqueen   Dec-04-09 11:33 AM   #35 
  - Do you have children?  gorfle   Dec-04-09 12:46 PM   #57 
     - Two. I take away privileges.  redqueen   Dec-04-09 12:52 PM   #62 
        - Mine are 1 and 3.  gorfle   Dec-04-09 01:38 PM   #75 
           - At that age...  redqueen   Dec-04-09 02:10 PM   #80 
              - I've never spanked my child  mzmolly   Dec-04-09 06:42 PM   #117 
  - +1. But it also is in sync with how they act. They are bullies, warmongers, and hateful.  krabigirl   Dec-04-09 11:39 AM   #40 
  - Three months old??  Starry Messenger   Dec-04-09 05:37 AM   #19 
  - Beating on an infant is not child abuse, it is attempted murder!!!  Harry Monroe   Dec-04-09 01:06 PM   #69 
  - Their methods are not "child rearing", they're animal husbandry  chemenger   Dec-04-09 05:59 AM   #20 
  - not even animal husbandry  cap   Dec-04-09 06:34 AM   #21 
  - They're not even good animal husbandry...  LeftishBrit   Dec-04-09 11:41 AM   #45 
     - Siegfried & Roy are better parents!  elehhhhna   Dec-04-09 12:49 PM   #60 
  - Sicko twistoids always seek legitimate cover for their evil. The US is run by such people.  Echo In Light   Dec-04-09 06:44 AM   #22 
  - The prihcipal, at the Christian school I went to growing up, used an oak paddle.  Jamastiene   Dec-04-09 08:10 AM   #23 
  - At the junior high school I attended...  badgerpup   Dec-04-09 01:09 PM   #70 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-09 08:22 AM   #24 
  - OMG! Each and every one of those "parents" should be arested for child abuse.  Odin2005   Dec-04-09 08:36 AM   #25 
  - +1  redqueen   Dec-04-09 11:26 AM   #34 
  - From 2006 Talk to Action's dogemperor tells of a child's death...  madfloridian   Dec-04-09 11:00 AM   #27 
  - see, this is how one can tell that what they are doing is wrong  SemperEadem   Dec-04-09 11:43 AM   #46 
  - "Be careful about using it in front of others -- nosy neighbors might call social workers."  madfloridian   Dec-04-09 11:51 AM   #50 
  - reminds me of mom wielding the frikkin hotwheels track  elehhhhna   Dec-04-09 12:51 PM   #61 
     - I got the belt from my mom.  arcadian   Dec-04-09 03:14 PM   #94 
  - And what diameter should the "switch" that husbands use on their wives be?  undeterred   Dec-04-09 11:05 AM   #28 
  - Their website. Has videos and articles about good and evil.  madfloridian   Dec-04-09 11:05 AM   #29 
  - Is is just me or is a small pet sleeping on the furry cover of a toilet seat NOT that big a deal?  Nikki Stone1   Dec-04-09 11:16 AM   #31 
  - No, it's not just you.  proudohioan   Dec-04-09 11:35 AM   #37 
  - Everything in their life must exactly follow exact rules  TrogL   Dec-04-09 05:13 PM   #108 
  - Dobson had the need to beat the hell out of something  get the red out   Dec-04-09 01:23 PM   #72 
  - I wish the animal curled up on the toilet seat cover  xxqqqzme   Dec-04-09 02:23 PM   #85 
  - My 65 pound dog takes up half my damned bed...  a la izquierda   Dec-04-09 02:33 PM   #89 
  - I know, our dogs thought the beds were theirs as well.  madfloridian   Dec-04-09 07:29 PM   #120 
  - That's because you're not a control freak  varelse   Dec-04-09 07:49 PM   #124 
  - These are sick, SICK people.  Th1onein   Dec-04-09 11:21 AM   #32 
  - guillotines and nooses  BlancheSplanchnik   Dec-05-09 05:08 PM   #159 
  - I have a strong willed daughter and it has not been easy on me  liberal_at_heart   Dec-04-09 11:23 AM   #33 
  - Are you serious???? IS THIS FOR REAL???  proudohioan   Dec-04-09 11:33 AM   #36 
  - Yes, it's real. Their website with articles and videos.  madfloridian   Dec-04-09 11:39 AM   #39 
     - OMG I'm truly afraid to watch that one!!!!!  proudohioan   Dec-04-09 11:47 AM   #49 
  - this is a blueprint for child abuse--nothing more, nothing less  SemperEadem   Dec-04-09 11:36 AM   #38 
  - That's sickening  LeftishBrit   Dec-04-09 11:40 AM   #42 
  - Apparently the state of Tennessee's Department of Human Services  Kalyke   Dec-04-09 11:41 AM   #44 
  - I hope they were brought up on charges. I've known about them since my parenting message board days.  Pithlet   Dec-04-09 12:32 PM   #53 
  - Where is Children's Services??? Why aren't they reported to the authorities, and this book  secondwind   Dec-04-09 11:45 AM   #47 
  - so, be the compassionate, loving, and empathic change you want to see (even on DU)  nightrain   Dec-04-09 11:46 AM   #48 
  - this book sounds like kiddie S &M porn  Betty   Dec-04-09 12:05 PM   #51 
  - Isn't this method how serial killers created?  Initech   Dec-04-09 12:09 PM   #52 
  - My thoughts exactly. n/t  gkhouston   Dec-04-09 12:47 PM   #58 
     - I thought Initech was joking... as I'm sure we all know, most kids who are beaten  redqueen   Dec-04-09 01:40 PM   #76 
        - True enough, but the lack of empathy so characteristic of sociopaths often  gkhouston   Dec-04-09 02:08 PM   #78 
        - This is torture, this isn't just simple child-rearing.  Initech   Dec-04-09 07:43 PM   #122 
  - PERVERTS  Matariki   Dec-04-09 12:38 PM   #54 
  - It sounds like the ministry of love from 1984  sasquatch   Dec-04-09 12:41 PM   #55 
  - Some quotes from "pro-spanking" authors:  madfloridian   Dec-04-09 12:46 PM   #56 
  - Sick, sick people.  Odin2005   Dec-04-09 02:50 PM   #92 
  - Even an 18 month old can remember a 'spanking'.  laundry_queen   Dec-05-09 01:27 AM   #144 
  - In the UK James Dobson would be prosecuted for cruelty to animals  jenniferj   Dec-04-09 12:49 PM   #59 
  - At least one child was killed by a parent following the Pearl's teachings - link  Shallah Kali   Dec-04-09 12:54 PM   #63 
  - More including link to Salon article on the Pearls  Shallah Kali   Dec-04-09 01:05 PM   #67 
  - These people should not be allowed to "breed" period.  Harry Monroe   Dec-04-09 01:04 PM   #66 
  - This is the mentality we face from the right  get the red out   Dec-04-09 01:06 PM   #68 
  - "Let the child realize that you are simply representing God in the execution of the punishment."  Sapphocrat   Dec-04-09 01:44 PM   #77 
  - May God spare my children from.... their children  Canuckistanian   Dec-04-09 02:09 PM   #79 
  - just further proof that the earth will be better off without the asshole species Homo sapiens  ima_sinnic   Dec-04-09 02:10 PM   #81 
  - Read Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement for more info.  TheMightyFavog   Dec-04-09 02:16 PM   #83 
  - Link it on Google Books & a link to a blog of ex-Quiverfull members  Shallah Kali   Dec-04-09 02:25 PM   #86 
  - wrong thread. oops  mnhtnbb   Dec-04-09 02:21 PM   #84 
  - Three months old? A 12lb dog?  chatnoir   Dec-04-09 02:26 PM   #87 
  - If one of the Pearls' children flips off and kills them  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-04-09 02:27 PM   #88 
  - I would  bergie321   Dec-04-09 06:39 PM   #116 
  - This is the 'faith' that wants to write America's laws  FiveGoodMen   Dec-04-09 02:34 PM   #90 
  - They're re-raising the Phelps family  EstimatedProphet   Dec-04-09 02:57 PM   #93 
  - Send them a note people!  arcadian   Dec-04-09 03:28 PM   #95 
  - done and done....  winyanstaz   Dec-04-09 06:32 PM   #114 
  - Is this legal? Seriously? Is this somehow legal?  Danger Mouse   Dec-04-09 03:39 PM   #96 
  - The "it's okay to swat, though" camp makes it harder to enforce child abuse laws.  redqueen   Dec-04-09 03:42 PM   #97 
  - "And if the Child dies during the punishment, IT'S GOD'S WILL!"  amb123   Dec-04-09 03:49 PM   #98 
  - One of these days the Pearls might have to go to a home, and it will be up to the kids, good luck .  Stevenmarc   Dec-04-09 03:54 PM   #99 
  - Horrifying. n/t  MerryBlooms   Dec-04-09 03:59 PM   #100 
  - well, i think these methods are proven to achieve their goal-  mopinko   Dec-04-09 04:09 PM   #101 
  - This is mind boggling. There isn't much reasoning with a baby/infant.  Shell Beau   Dec-04-09 04:16 PM   #102 
  - Child abuse for sure  sakabatou   Dec-04-09 04:33 PM   #104 
  - How is it possible that this book is even in print? People here on DU have  kestrel91316   Dec-04-09 04:54 PM   #107 
  - For Your Own Good Hidden Cruelty in Child-Rearing and the Roots of Violence by Alice Miller  Shallah Kali   Dec-04-09 05:30 PM   #110 
  - Flogging for God: Violence toward children under the guise of religion  Shallah Kali   Dec-04-09 05:40 PM   #111 
  - Direct descendants of those who initiated the Inquisition, if you ask me.  BrklynLiberal   Dec-04-09 06:10 PM   #112 
  - This is abuse and torture of babies....  winyanstaz   Dec-04-09 06:23 PM   #113 
  - Absolutely disgusting.  mzmolly   Dec-04-09 06:36 PM   #115 
  - out of the mainstream, it's worsening. I hate "tradition"  KakistocracyHater   Dec-04-09 07:39 PM   #121 
     - Off to  mzmolly   Dec-04-09 08:16 PM   #126 
     - This really needs more exposure  get the red out   Dec-04-09 10:19 PM   #133 
        - agreed, it's why I post excerpts so people can read it  KakistocracyHater   Dec-05-09 07:46 PM   #161 
  - I wonder if the people on THIS board who want to use military force on  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-04-09 07:46 PM   #123 
  - my daughter is 4 mo. old. any one who takes a switch to a baby for any reason should be jailed.  Devil_Fish   Dec-04-09 08:21 PM   #127 
  - Mommy and Daddy Mengele  jgraz   Dec-04-09 08:38 PM   #128 
  - This goes past "barbarism" and into "inhuman."  BreweryYardRat   Dec-04-09 08:42 PM   #129 
  - Those are some very twisted people  GreenPartyVoter   Dec-04-09 09:18 PM   #131 
  - Why isn't the government investigating these people like they did  MadMaddie   Dec-04-09 10:09 PM   #132 
  - This explains a lot...  DWilliamsamh   Dec-04-09 10:34 PM   #134 
  - madfloridian  Diclotican   Dec-04-09 11:36 PM   #135 
  - "Lisa Welchel (yes, folks, Blair from "The Facts of Life" likes to use Tabasco as a discipline aid"  Shallah Kali   Dec-04-09 11:45 PM   #136 
  - I followed some of those links...very weird indeed.  madfloridian   Dec-05-09 12:23 AM   #137 
  - This is a vitally important subject. Thank you madfloridian.  Papa Boule   Dec-05-09 12:36 AM   #138 
  - Thank you for that link. I was not aware of those writings.  madfloridian   Dec-05-09 12:43 AM   #141 
  - I read 'For Your Own Good' awhile back.  laundry_queen   Dec-05-09 01:38 AM   #145 
  - Alice Miller's "For Your Own Good" is a must read. It can be read free here:  Shallah Kali   Dec-05-09 02:55 PM   #152 
  - Alice Miller's books are about this abuse and the monsters produced.  Manifestor_of_Light   Dec-05-09 12:40 AM   #139 
  - If a child is beaten enough, he might become famous...  nikto   Dec-05-09 12:42 AM   #140 
  - "immediate", "happy", "obedient", "children"...  BlooInBloo   Dec-05-09 12:47 AM   #142 
  - I don't understand  TicketyBoo   Dec-05-09 12:58 AM   #143 
  - Yuk, this must be the follow-up to "Babywise"  fortyfeetunder   Dec-05-09 08:29 AM   #150 
  - Project NoSpank has a section of articles on Ezzo  Shallah Kali   Dec-05-09 03:04 PM   #153 
  - This article upsets me. n/t  adamuu   Dec-05-09 08:30 AM   #151 
  - Yeah, it really triggered me.  lightningandsnow   Dec-05-09 03:09 PM   #154 
     - *hugs*  adamuu   Dec-05-09 04:22 PM   #157 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-05-09 03:11 PM   #155 
  - This is disgusting. It is horrific to think anyone would spank a 3 month old baby.  tandot   Dec-05-09 04:05 PM   #156 
  - So a traumatized child is a good child?  Kitty Herder   Dec-05-09 04:24 PM   #158 
  - "Children are like animals" That's ridiculous....  CanuckAmok   Dec-05-09 06:30 PM   #160 
  - Reporting child abuse  cleverusername   Dec-06-09 01:16 PM   #163 
  - This will make violent adults  Sinti   Dec-06-09 01:27 PM   #164 
 

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