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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:34 PM
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496. Welcome Gnome!
And thank you for your service... :patriot:
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  -Tonight is why I voted for him. cliffordu  Dec-01-09 10:54 PM   #0 
  - uncomfortable words- but probably pretty accurate.  Bluerthanblue   Dec-01-09 10:59 PM   #1 
  - Thank you.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:00 PM   #3 
     - no, thank YOU-  Bluerthanblue   Dec-01-09 11:11 PM   #24 
     - Great Stuff...  Gnome Sane   Dec-02-09 10:00 AM   #147 
     - Welcome to DU Gnome!  Maraya1969   Dec-02-09 12:32 PM   #258 
     - Thanks, and welcome to DU!!!! The more vets, the better!  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:09 PM   #361 
     - Welcome Gnome!  Patchuli   Dec-02-09 09:34 PM   #496 
     - Obama is owned by the same people  pjt7   Dec-02-09 11:05 AM   #189 
        - wth??? you talkin to me?  Bluerthanblue   Dec-02-09 03:08 PM   #388 
     - Outstanding! Bravo!!!!  mikekohr   Dec-02-09 08:57 PM   #478 
  - What a profoundly stated post  C_Lawyer09   Dec-01-09 10:59 PM   #2 
  - Yep.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:08 AM   #78 
  - good post, and dead on (nm)  bevoette   Dec-01-09 11:00 PM   #4 
  - Thank you.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:03 PM   #8 
  - I have the greatest respect for our veterans, cliffordu. K and R.  NYC_SKP   Dec-01-09 11:00 PM   #5 
  - Thank you, my good and dear friend.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:03 PM   #6 
  - Thank YOu.  Sebass1271   Dec-01-09 11:03 PM   #7 
  - He's a very brave man.  ginnyinWI   Dec-01-09 11:04 PM   #9 
  - Yep - precisely.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:06 PM   #12 
  - Yep. And you can see how much he hates this whole thing  impik   Dec-02-09 10:40 AM   #159 
  - Shit, I don't care about our reputation, its toast. I care about putting Afghanistan back together.  apnu   Dec-02-09 12:35 PM   #261 
  - Fixing Afghanistan is NOT Part of Obama's Agenda  pmorlan1   Dec-02-09 09:39 PM   #502 
  - yeah... he's a brave man for sending others off to a foreign country  fascisthunter   Dec-02-09 12:41 PM   #267 
     - That statement would have applied equally to Truman  treestar   Dec-02-09 01:00 PM   #296 
     - What about sending them off to build??  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:10 PM   #364 
     - ahhh.. sorry, I'm against "Nation Building"  fascisthunter   Dec-02-09 04:12 PM   #419 
        - What about nation repair?  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 04:50 PM   #420 
        - Not my country... and we have done enough damage as it is  fascisthunter   Dec-02-09 05:47 PM   #435 
           - What happens to the people that allied themselves with our effort??  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 06:21 PM   #441 
              - you want to know what happens? They FIGHT for themselves  fascisthunter   Dec-02-09 06:36 PM   #442 
                 - One word.  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 09:22 AM   #545 
        - Infrastructure building is not nation building.  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 09:20 AM   #544 
           - sorry, but it is over a pipeline  fascisthunter   Dec-03-09 02:40 PM   #566 
     - and would Obama send his own kids off to war? I don't think so  winyanstaz   Dec-02-09 10:57 PM   #525 
     - If his girls were to sign up to serve I'm sure he'd be proud of them.  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 01:58 PM   #561 
        - Riiiight :) ....  winyanstaz   Dec-04-09 03:40 AM   #599 
     - just curious:  ginnyinWI   Dec-03-09 01:25 PM   #560 
  - Thanks for having the patience to put into words what I'm too frustrated to say. Well done. nt  quiet.american   Dec-01-09 11:04 PM   #10 
  - Thanks.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:06 PM   #14 
  - Great post K&R  WildEyedLiberal   Dec-01-09 11:04 PM   #11 
  - I think that, overall, we've hurt more than we've helped  bigtree   Dec-01-09 11:06 PM   #13 
  - Look -  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:11 PM   #23 
  - So you believe we should sacrifice the lives of our soldiers  Vattel   Dec-01-09 11:46 PM   #71 
     - That's fine.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:50 PM   # 
     - Agree, spot on, a DOOMED effort  parasearchers   Dec-02-09 09:00 AM   #130 
     - WE didn't "sacrifice" them - BUSH* and the REPUKES did...!!!  TankLV   Dec-02-09 09:53 PM   #506 
  - +1  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-02-09 01:14 AM   #92 
  - Neither is leaving at this point...  Chan790   Dec-02-09 09:31 AM   #136 
  - Absolutely nt  goclark   Dec-02-09 12:35 PM   #263 
  - Wouldn't the terms of us leaving determine if we win or lose?  The Wielding Truth   Dec-02-09 12:50 PM   #277 
  - You want victory?  Duende azul   Dec-02-09 01:09 PM   #305 
  - Well said n/t  MissDeeds   Dec-02-09 09:37 AM   #140 
  - Your first sentence says it - we HAVE hurt more than we HAVE helped.  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-02-09 10:18 AM   #152 
  - +1.  kristopher   Dec-02-09 10:28 AM   #156 
  - +1 We need more OPs like this replie. n/t  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 05:40 PM   #432 
  - Well said. Thanks. n/t  truedelphi   Dec-02-09 02:03 PM   #353 
  - After reading some of the so-called "peace" posts on this forum...  eqfan592   Dec-01-09 11:07 PM   #15 
  - Thank you very much for the compliment. Sorry you hate people who don't want to kill so much.  AllyCat   Dec-02-09 01:12 AM   #91 
  - aww, a "former" peacenik. Is that like a "former" democrat?  ima_sinnic   Dec-02-09 04:16 AM   #104 
  - For a presumed peacenik, you sure have a nasty mouth.  Bette Noir   Dec-02-09 07:22 AM   #111 
  - excuse me? yeah, I always treat BS artists with "honey"  ima_sinnic   Dec-02-09 08:08 AM   #112 
     - Sounds like you're projecting  eqfan592   Dec-02-09 05:22 PM   #427 
  - Thank you and the above poster for proving my point so clearly. (nt)  eqfan592   Dec-02-09 11:19 AM   #202 
     - your "point"? of calling people in "the peace movement" drooling zealots?  ima_sinnic   Dec-02-09 11:58 AM   #230 
     - "many" does not = "all". Many are zealots. Some are not. Like always.  uppityperson   Dec-02-09 02:25 PM   #375 
     - It is astonishingly easy to be for peace  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 09:30 AM   #546 
     - pretty extreme statement regarding anti-war activists  fascisthunter   Dec-02-09 12:37 PM   #265 
        - "many" does not = "all". nt  uppityperson   Dec-02-09 02:26 PM   #376 
           - What do blood-thirsty war mongers look like?  pjt7   Dec-02-09 03:42 PM   #407 
              - Poor logic again.  uppityperson   Dec-03-09 02:19 PM   #564 
  - ditto. What I hear sounds just like freepers, they have to make up lies to back up  NoSheep   Dec-02-09 09:25 AM   #134 
  - Show me the lies  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:16 AM   #201 
  - I'd be kicking people off this board for that if I were in charge.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:15 PM   #367 
  - Honor in killing innocents?  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:08 AM   #193 
  - Be mindfull of the drool around your keyboard.  eqfan592   Dec-02-09 11:21 AM   #203 
     - Is ad-personam all you have left?  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 12:07 PM   #238 
        - You came at me with a ridiculously massive straw man argument...  eqfan592   Dec-02-09 05:20 PM   #426 
  - And it really sucks when one ( who I shall not name-no "calling out" per DU rules)  Kajsa   Dec-02-09 11:09 AM   #195 
  - Who?  pjt7   Dec-02-09 11:51 AM   #221 
     - Can't name names openly on the board.  Kajsa   Dec-02-09 02:24 PM   #374 
  - Your post made me want to stand up and applaud.  liquid diamond   Dec-02-09 09:35 PM   #499 
  - If "this latest gambit will likely fail"  Vattel   Dec-01-09 11:07 PM   #16 
  - probably.. something we don't know  Sebass1271   Dec-01-09 11:10 PM   #22 
  - The OP says that this strategy will probably fail.  Vattel   Dec-01-09 11:15 PM   #34 
     - The op is not claiming to be correct on his opinion, he  Sebass1271   Dec-01-09 11:25 PM   #45 
        - Huh?  Vattel   Dec-01-09 11:33 PM   #62 
  - Because we fucking said we would.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:14 PM   #28 
     - Really?  Vattel   Dec-01-09 11:20 PM   #40 
        - Did we say otherwise? When?  Sebass1271   Dec-01-09 11:26 PM   #47 
           - Huh?  Vattel   Dec-01-09 11:36 PM   #64 
  - Nicely done...thank you for this.  Bobbie Jo   Dec-01-09 11:07 PM   #17 
  - Thanks.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:14 PM   #29 
  - Exce-freakin'llent post!!! K&R  Parker CA   Dec-01-09 11:07 PM   #18 
  - Thank you.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:15 PM   #32 
  - K&R  redqueen   Dec-01-09 11:08 PM   #19 
  - I know that you know this..  Fumesucker   Dec-01-09 11:08 PM   #20 
  - I have to respectfully disagree.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:18 PM   #38 
     - Even the twentieth century wasn't all that civilized..  Fumesucker   Dec-01-09 11:38 PM   #65 
        - I could be deluded. Probably am.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:44 PM   #68 
           - I think you mean well and I don't mean to disparage your optimism..  Fumesucker   Dec-02-09 12:08 AM   #77 
              - Well......  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:09 AM   #79 
  - Except, Obama didn't say that. What he said was  subsuelo   Dec-01-09 11:09 PM   #21 
  - Right, and our Security Depends on What We Do Now. The OP and that quote are not inconsistent.  NYC_SKP   Dec-01-09 11:16 PM   #35 
  - He said a lot of things tonight, I think I'll rely on what KIND of soldiers he is  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:22 PM   #41 
  - That's what they always say, isn't it?  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:29 AM   #207 
     - "That's what they always say, isn't it?" Excellent point, moodforaday. If we're doing this  bertman   Dec-02-09 02:20 PM   #371 
  - +1  LiberalAndProud   Dec-01-09 11:12 PM   #25 
  - His entire presidency depends on it.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:24 PM   #43 
  - As long as it's the military and the corporations  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:33 AM   #210 
     - If I were as cynical as you are I'd have killed myself decades ago.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:52 AM   #224 
  - "I will hang on and hope."  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:32 AM   #209 
  - you seem genuine  dred654321   Dec-01-09 11:13 PM   #26 
  - in that 8 years....  eqfan592   Dec-01-09 11:15 PM   #31 
  - we have had 70,000 plus troops there for a long time  dred654321   Dec-01-09 11:20 PM   #39 
     - We'll see now, won't we?  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:26 PM   #46 
     - We have no choice but to wait and see  dred654321   Dec-01-09 11:33 PM   #63 
        - So what good is his heart?  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:38 AM   #211 
     - Actually, we've had 70,000 troops there for barely six months.  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 02:09 PM   #563 
  - We haven't been there for eight years.. that is a lie..  Sebass1271   Dec-01-09 11:17 PM   #37 
  - we have been there since late 2001/early 2002...that makes it about 8 years  dred654321   Dec-01-09 11:29 PM   #54 
     - whatever sooths you better, you can find the answer to your  Sebass1271   Dec-01-09 11:32 PM   #60 
     - thanks for your concern  dred654321   Dec-01-09 11:41 PM   #67 
     - You changed from "70,000 plus" to "more than 40,000" Which is it, since you seem so fond of "magic n  uppityperson   Dec-02-09 03:52 AM   #100 
        - Yo, uppity!!! Howareya??  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:53 AM   #169 
           - As we say "May we"  uppityperson   Dec-02-09 02:14 PM   #366 
              - Yep - I like living the life of the Landed Gentry......  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:18 PM   #369 
                 - I'd enjoy that, let me know  uppityperson   Dec-02-09 02:29 PM   #378 
  - Uh, we didn't do SHIT for 8 years.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:25 PM   #44 
  - A historical point  SOS   Dec-02-09 11:06 AM   #192 
     - YES!!!! EXACTLY!!!  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:44 AM   #213 
     - Thank you!  redqueen   Dec-02-09 11:59 AM   #231 
  - Perhaps having a president with a brain and no personal financial interests will help  NoSheep   Dec-02-09 09:27 AM   #135 
     - Yep - that would kinda rock my world.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:53 AM   #171 
  - Amen, brother, Amen K&R  WCGreen   Dec-01-09 11:14 PM   #27 
  - Thanks, WC -  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:26 PM   #49 
  - We can sleep better tonight. Our nation is in good hands  Sebass1271   Dec-01-09 11:15 PM   #30 
  - I'm sure you're safe  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:44 AM   #212 
  - My dad and I were discussing this today.  ohheckyeah   Dec-01-09 11:15 PM   #33 
  - Precisely. Only as good as it's word.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:27 PM   #51 
  - You have summed it up very well!  MadMaddie   Dec-01-09 11:17 PM   #36 
  - Thanks, MadMaddie  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:28 PM   #52 
  - It pains to say that you're right on. We can't just leave them as is  Greybnk48   Dec-01-09 11:24 PM   #42 
  - +1  JNelson6563   Dec-02-09 12:40 PM   #266 
  - I might be mistaken...  redqueen   Dec-01-09 11:26 PM   #48 
  - You are not mistaken n/t  Strelnikov_   Dec-01-09 11:30 PM   #55 
  - Thanks...  redqueen   Dec-02-09 10:52 AM   #167 
  - It sure has.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:31 PM   #56 
  - I normally don't agree with those "DU has changed" posts...  redqueen   Dec-02-09 10:53 AM   #170 
     - A negro fella's in charge now. All the rules have changed, don't ya know??  Number23   Dec-04-09 04:07 AM   #600 
        - Sadly it seems that is the case... when DUers wanted Bush to send more troops to Afghanistan  redqueen   Dec-04-09 10:01 AM   #602 
  - Any lie will do  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:46 AM   #214 
     - What are you talking about?  redqueen   Dec-02-09 11:50 AM   #219 
        - The untrue insinuation  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 12:25 PM   #250 
           - You weren't paying attention. Many DUers said as much. (nt)  redqueen   Dec-02-09 12:27 PM   #252 
  - Great Post!..He's cleaning up Bush's big pile of shit...I don't like the war  HipChick   Dec-01-09 11:26 PM   #50 
  - Thanks.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:31 PM   #58 
  - Yep. It's a big shit sandwich served up by years of Republican incompetence  Strelnikov_   Dec-01-09 11:28 PM   #53 
  - Yep. Perfect.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:32 PM   #59 
  - No, too many MORE 'unfortunates' will have to take a bite.  Amonester   Dec-02-09 08:14 PM   #459 
     - cluckcluckcluck  Strelnikov_   Dec-02-09 09:26 PM   #489 
  - Thank you, you nailed it  Saboburns   Dec-01-09 11:31 PM   #57 
  - Thanks.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:32 PM   #61 
  - Thank You....  CherokeeDem   Dec-01-09 11:40 PM   #66 
  - Yep - the Bushies left him with almost NO room to move.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:46 PM   #70 
  - Cliffordu--thanks. Hard words, but true enough. "Capricious" was certainly Bush's way...  Hekate   Dec-01-09 11:44 PM   #69 
  - Yep - you just summed it up beautifully.  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:49 PM   #72 
  - What on earth does this refer to?  lwcon   Dec-01-09 11:50 PM   #73 
  - I dunno - doesn't seem too hard for a lot of folks here to understand....  cliffordu   Dec-01-09 11:54 PM   #74 
     - In other words, it's pap that we're just supposed to accept as true  lwcon   Dec-01-09 11:58 PM   #75 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-09 12:04 AM   #76 
        - do you HAVE to curse at everyone so much?  shanti   Dec-02-09 09:40 AM   #141 
           - Dang, and I missed it!  lwcon   Dec-02-09 10:24 AM   #154 
           - I don't know why they deleted the insult, it wasn't even one of my best efforts.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:23 PM   #373 
           - Well..yep.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:54 AM   #173 
     - "bullshit by the anti-obama crowd"  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:50 AM   #218 
        - I haven't seen to many posts that have so many errors as yours.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:00 PM   #232 
        - One problem with your point  apnu   Dec-02-09 01:02 PM   #298 
  - Tonight is because *you* didn't support impeachment/investigations.  omega minimo   Dec-02-09 12:12 AM   #80 
  - I support the Hague and public executions  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:17 AM   #82 
  - Nice words. I disagree. The war is a black hole for money, lives and military readiness.  Postman   Dec-02-09 12:14 AM   #81 
  - Cross post  jaysunb   Dec-02-09 12:18 AM   #83 
  - Thanks - and I think you're completely correct -  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:20 AM   #84 
  - Great post!  Withywindle   Dec-02-09 12:21 AM   #85 
  - I see no reason to be optimistic about any of it, but some things cannot  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:28 AM   #86 
  - I respect your view but disagree  Truth2Tell   Dec-02-09 01:01 AM   #87 
  - The adults are back in charge  grantcart   Dec-02-09 01:05 AM   #88 
  - It's about time, eh?  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:09 AM   #89 
  - Then if this is true, why can't we stop the nonsense in Iraq and focus on this?  AllyCat   Dec-02-09 01:11 AM   #90 
  - Neocons are the opposite side of the coin -  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:21 AM   #94 
  - We're moving out of Iraq, my husband is watching it happen first hand  SaveAmerica   Dec-03-09 12:38 AM   #539 
  - Thank you for speaking this uncomfortable truth. (N/T)  DWilliamsamh   Dec-02-09 01:18 AM   #93 
  - Thanks.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:21 AM   #95 
  - There are no really good choices here.  silverweb   Dec-02-09 01:23 AM   #96 
  - And that's the most inconvenient truth of all  DFW   Dec-02-09 01:58 AM   #97 
     - I agree with your assessment of both outcomes - but I'd rather be screwed with  pundaint   Dec-02-09 08:31 AM   #117 
     - Yep - and all those that think they do are fools, I think....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:21 AM   #204 
  - Thanks Cliffordu! Damn Fine Post.  berni_mccoy   Dec-02-09 02:49 AM   #98 
  - Thanks, Berni -  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:51 AM   #166 
  - I believe we have no choice but to clean up the mess that the Bushco Mafia left,  PJPhreak   Dec-02-09 02:57 AM   #99 
  - You're welcome and thanks for the kudos.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:56 AM   #176 
  - How are you going go "clean up the mess"  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:52 AM   #223 
     - Is he doing the same??  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:12 PM   #365 
  - You almost persuaded me, until I just now heard this on Ed Schultz. I transcribed it for you becaus...  BigBearJohn   Dec-02-09 03:54 AM   #101 
  - I cannot disagree that he has good points -  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:00 AM   #181 
  - They don't want an infrastructure. That's really great.  LiberalAndProud   Dec-02-09 11:02 AM   #183 
     - Nobody in that part of the world wants an infrastructure, don'tchaknow.....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:09 AM   #196 
  - I listened at work. Hit the wall when he said "30,000" and turned with tears in my eyes  uppityperson   Dec-02-09 03:57 AM   #102 
  - 18 months is only the start of withdrawal.  pundaint   Dec-02-09 08:38 AM   #118 
  - Nah, false logic - he says he'll draw them down and any responsible  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:24 AM   #205 
  - Thanks, Uppity, you're the best.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:01 AM   #182 
  - you act as though war is the only possible option  ima_sinnic   Dec-02-09 04:10 AM   #103 
  - when in the middle of a war  quaker bill   Dec-02-09 06:50 AM   #107 
  - maybe teams of positive developers, then, instead of murderers  ima_sinnic   Dec-02-09 07:08 AM   #109 
     - Three combat brigades out of the 30,000- the rest are trainers and  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:08 AM   #194 
     - soldiers are murderers, then? That says it all.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:16 PM   #241 
     - what do you think they're there to do? serve ice cream and distribute fluffy bunnies?  stranger81   Dec-02-09 05:49 PM   #436 
     - Having done a tour in a combat zone, I would like to inform you that  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 07:50 PM   #448 
        - Having been married to a career military officer.....  winyanstaz   Dec-02-09 10:56 PM   #523 
        - Sigh. 13% is the number the Pentagon used to figure combat/support ratios  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:05 PM   #526 
           - Once again you are wrong...  winyanstaz   Dec-03-09 12:10 AM   #534 
              - My original number stands.  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 12:56 AM   #540 
                 - whats wrong with you?  winyanstaz   Dec-03-09 02:30 PM   #565 
                    - I owe you an apology. I just re-read the entire sub-thread.  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 08:02 PM   #574 
                       - Thank you for your message...apology accepted...  winyanstaz   Dec-03-09 10:03 PM   #580 
        - who said anything about firing in anger?  stranger81   Dec-03-09 12:36 PM   #557 
           - ah, when you run out of arguments, play the Fresno card.  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 12:56 PM   #559 
              - speaking of "teh dumb," you might reread this entire subthread and notice  stranger81   Dec-03-09 09:12 PM   #578 
     - It's not murder because it's not against the law. But yes, soldiers are paid to kill other people.  John Q. Citizen   Dec-02-09 11:20 PM   #531 
     - Developers and consruction workers are not going to train and  Fire1   Dec-02-09 01:18 PM   #311 
     - And who is going to protect that 'peace army' when the Taliban starts  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 09:09 AM   #543 
  - Unrec whatever you want. I pity people who only see us as a destructive  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:03 AM   #186 
  - oh, and "this gambit will likely fail"--do you even read your own BS?  ima_sinnic   Dec-02-09 04:22 AM   #105 
  - Why are you a hater?  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:04 AM   #188 
  - "physician heal thyself." nice sentiment, i understand you, but remember the path to hell...  NuttyFluffers   Dec-02-09 06:09 AM   #106 
  - I don't agree with every point  quaker bill   Dec-02-09 06:52 AM   #108 
  - Your welcome and thank you.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:06 AM   #190 
  - I'm in your camp Clifford  madokie   Dec-02-09 07:16 AM   #110 
  - Thank you, my brother.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:46 AM   #215 
  - Yeah and Nixon was giving 'Nam "One last try" too  pundaint   Dec-02-09 08:24 AM   #113 
  - It isnt' going to work but we have to try? This post is incoherent emotion  debbierlus   Dec-02-09 11:14 AM   #199 
  - Ignorance is bliss, just like they say.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:32 AM   #208 
  - Completely agree.  closeupready   Dec-02-09 01:04 PM   #303 
  - No, Nixon didn't.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:26 AM   #206 
  - Agree with you. Thanks for posting :)  tandot   Dec-02-09 08:29 AM   #114 
  - They'll get plenty of money from the narco biz we built for them. They'll do fine.  Stinky The Clown   Dec-02-09 08:30 AM   #115 
  - Surprise! Russia is the big narco-client for Afghanistan.  pundaint   Dec-02-09 08:40 AM   #120 
  - I hate this war, but I also hate what has happened in that region of the world. EXCELLENT post and  blondeatlast   Dec-02-09 08:31 AM   #116 
  - Thanks.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:51 AM   #222 
  - when you find yourself in a hole, don't keep digging....  nightrain   Dec-02-09 08:39 AM   #119 
  - But if you dragged someone else into that hole with you..  dbmk   Dec-02-09 09:33 AM   #137 
  - no. It still applies--stop digging. apologize and get out. do humanitarian works.  nightrain   Dec-02-09 10:39 AM   #158 
  - Actually, he has ordered severe restrictions on the use of contractors,  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 02:05 PM   #562 
     - ha! What other Nobel peace prize winner escalated a war?  nightrain   Dec-03-09 07:18 PM   #571 
     - nope. see TPM/Rachel data on contractor numbers...  nightrain   Dec-04-09 09:59 AM   #601 
  - Well said...  truebrit71   Dec-02-09 08:41 AM   #121 
  - Or, to put it bluntly, "he is willing to take responsibility even though he didn't start this war"  HughMoran   Dec-02-09 08:43 AM   #122 
  - Precisely.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:56 AM   #227 
  - Good post  alcibiades_mystery   Dec-02-09 08:43 AM   #123 
  - Thank you for saying it better than I could  LynneSin   Dec-02-09 08:45 AM   #124 
  - You're welcome and thanks.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:02 PM   #235 
  - "Adventures"? These are illegal/immoral wars intended to steal resources . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-02-09 08:48 AM   #125 
  - They might have been started for that reason  dbmk   Dec-02-09 09:45 AM   #143 
  - The first responsibility is NOT to prusue wars of aggression . ..  defendandprotect   Dec-02-09 07:52 PM   #449 
  - And what resources are we stealing in Afghanistan?  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:03 PM   #236 
     - Location, location, location .....  defendandprotect   Dec-02-09 07:54 PM   #450 
  - And in 2 years when were still there?...  lame54   Dec-02-09 08:48 AM   #126 
  - Recommend.  MineralMan   Dec-02-09 08:49 AM   #127 
  - yep.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:17 PM   #243 
  - Thank you, I support our President...nt  StopTheNeoCons   Dec-02-09 08:58 AM   #128 
  - oh bull, we need out now, we are fighting this war on BORROWED money  parasearchers   Dec-02-09 08:59 AM   #129 
  - i think most Corporate owned politicians realize - better the American people fight  truedelphi   Dec-02-09 02:06 PM   #357 
  - There Will Also Be a Price to Pay if We Stay  swilton   Dec-02-09 09:04 AM   #131 
  - thank you--very well said.  BlancheSplanchnik   Dec-02-09 09:07 AM   #132 
  - So in other words...  Javaman   Dec-02-09 09:22 AM   #133 
  - Hell, WE know that! Obama KNOWS that!! But it takes fuckin  Fire1   Dec-02-09 10:52 AM   #168 
     - Many here don't get it at all. Won't fit on a bumper sticker.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:19 PM   #245 
     - ouch  redqueen   Dec-02-09 01:52 PM   #341 
     - 9 years isn't long enough?  Javaman   Dec-02-09 10:17 PM   #514 
        - I KNOW THAT since Obama has had us there for nine years that  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:07 PM   #527 
           - Oh you believe in the magic wand theory...  Javaman   Dec-03-09 08:25 AM   #542 
              - Three combat brigades out of the 30,000- the rest are trainers and  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 10:32 AM   #549 
                 - Thank you...  Javaman   Dec-03-09 11:31 AM   #554 
  - I'm with you, I support the President's deision. nt  cecilfirefox   Dec-02-09 09:33 AM   #138 
  - Very Well Said!!!! (nt)  SteveG   Dec-02-09 09:36 AM   #139 
  - I support President Obama...K&R  Tippy   Dec-02-09 09:43 AM   #142 
  - Watch Fox much?  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 11:57 AM   #228 
  - Excellent OP!  Spazito   Dec-02-09 09:45 AM   #144 
  - I thank you.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:21 PM   #246 
  - K & f'n R  Jester Messiah   Dec-02-09 09:49 AM   #145 
  - I cried last night as i listened to the speech  FirstLight   Dec-02-09 09:50 AM   #146 
  - Amen, Sister.  Bobbie Jo   Dec-02-09 10:04 AM   #149 
  - Excellent Post!  goclark   Dec-02-09 10:18 AM   #153 
  - Thanks, and let's remember it is about more than just US  FirstLight   Dec-02-09 10:55 AM   #175 
     - The anger is coming from CHILDREN with NO SENSE OF  Fire1   Dec-02-09 11:02 AM   #184 
     - That's right.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:29 PM   #254 
        - lol-good one.  Tigermoose   Dec-02-09 01:45 PM   #336 
     - I'm with you all the way~ nt  goclark   Dec-02-09 11:04 AM   #187 
     - Americans were abused by Bushco, we don't trust anyone  goclark   Dec-02-09 08:16 PM   #461 
        - Sure enough.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:33 PM   #467 
  - Amen.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:22 PM   #247 
  - Nice post.  Dawgs   Dec-02-09 12:50 PM   #278 
  - Bravo, FirstLight! Thanks for an inspiring post. :)  OneGrassRoot   Dec-02-09 02:20 PM   #370 
  - cliffordu you nailed it on the head  hellsbeagle   Dec-02-09 10:02 AM   #148 
  - Thanks, and  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:23 PM   #248 
  - Tonight is NOT why I voted for- him - or more acccurately - against the OTHER idiots!!!  TankLV   Dec-02-09 10:08 AM   #150 
  - "ONE TERMER. - And that will be a GOOD thing..."  redqueen   Dec-02-09 02:06 PM   #356 
     - Of course you wouldn't understand...  TankLV   Dec-02-09 09:50 PM   #504 
        - If he is replaced by someone worse, that's somehow good... yep.  redqueen   Dec-03-09 12:15 PM   #556 
  - Thank you for your post  goclark   Dec-02-09 10:14 AM   #151 
  - yep, and thank you.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:25 PM   #249 
  - thanks for saying what needed to be said  riverwalker   Dec-02-09 10:26 AM   #155 
  - K and MF'in R  ecstatic   Dec-02-09 10:30 AM   #157 
  - "We'll fuck your shit up and then leave town." In a nutshell. n/t  Fire1   Dec-02-09 10:44 AM   #160 
  - You are correct sir  boomerbust   Dec-02-09 10:44 AM   #161 
  - Good post. Thanks.  gratefultobelib   Dec-02-09 10:48 AM   #162 
  - Thank you for what you wrote  get the red out   Dec-02-09 10:48 AM   #163 
  - Yep.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:30 PM   #256 
  - I took great comfort watching him and listening to him  NJmaverick   Dec-02-09 10:50 AM   #164 
  - I don't walk away from a good leader just because I disagree and am not getting my way  graywarrior   Dec-02-09 10:51 AM   #165 
  - That's because you are a THINKING ADULT!! n/t  Fire1   Dec-02-09 10:54 AM   #172 
  - Don't tell anyone here  graywarrior   Dec-02-09 10:56 AM   #177 
  - Not to worry - many have no short term memory left, and are distracted  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:42 PM   #268 
  - How much thinking does it take  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 12:00 PM   #233 
     - And YOU KNOW they are no threat?? I assume you've SEEN  Fire1   Dec-02-09 12:19 PM   #244 
  - Thanks.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:09 PM   #239 
  - what a load of horse manure  BakedAtAMileHigh   Dec-02-09 10:55 AM   #174 
  - EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why do you think  Fire1   Dec-02-09 10:59 AM   #179 
  - I think it was Scott Ritter  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 12:04 PM   #237 
  - It's more, "mission accomplished" than "winning." We all know  Fire1   Dec-02-09 12:25 PM   #251 
  - Tell the class how these paths are identical.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:44 PM   #270 
  - Must be a very comfy position you find yourself in, then, huh?  closeupready   Dec-02-09 10:58 AM   #178 
  - WTF are you saying??  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:46 PM   #272 
     - English is your second language, I see.  closeupready   Dec-02-09 12:57 PM   #289 
  - Thank God It Passed!  arcadian   Dec-02-09 10:59 AM   #180 
  - CliffordDU,  pjt7   Dec-02-09 11:03 AM   #185 
  - Nope. Misspelled my user name, too, which oddly enough has  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:49 PM   #274 
  - Last night is why I won't be voting for him in 2012 ... nothing will change that FACT.  ShortnFiery   Dec-02-09 11:06 AM   #191 
  - So you'll be moving on to greener pastures, then??  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:49 PM   #275 
  - If that is why you voted for Obama, that is a truly sad commentary  debbierlus   Dec-02-09 11:13 AM   #197 
  - Sadder is the lack of willingness to repair what two bushes helped create.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:51 PM   #280 
  - If that is why you voted for Obama, that is a truly sad commentary  debbierlus   Dec-02-09 11:13 AM   #198 
  - Many voted for "secular issues.' Not the man or the party. n/t  Fire1   Dec-02-09 12:56 PM   #288 
  - Glad I could make you feel better.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:21 PM   #316 
  - K&R! I'm soooo SICK of the "Anti-War"  RoadRage   Dec-02-09 11:16 AM   #200 
  - & I'm sick of the lies of 9.11  pjt7   Dec-02-09 11:48 AM   #216 
  - Most anti-war people are just out there to look hip for their friends  Chulanowa   Dec-02-09 11:58 AM   #229 
  - Yep.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:52 PM   #282 
  - And I'm sooooo SICK of the "Fear-Monger"(s) who bring(s) back...  Amonester   Dec-02-09 08:41 PM   #470 
  - You said it so well  PatSeg   Dec-02-09 11:50 AM   #217 
  - Thanks.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:53 PM   #283 
  - Well said.  Turbineguy   Dec-02-09 11:50 AM   #220 
  - O played the fear card  pjt7   Dec-02-09 12:51 PM   #279 
     - Somebody should have played it before 3,000 people got killed.  Fire1   Dec-02-09 01:27 PM   #320 
  - I cannot believe there are this many war supporters here.  stranger81   Dec-02-09 11:53 AM   #225 
  - Oversimplification probably due to short attention span.  NoSheep   Dec-02-09 12:00 PM   #234 
  - Tell that to all the Afghans who will be dead by the end of next year as a result of this decision.  stranger81   Dec-02-09 12:17 PM   #242 
     - In such chaos, they would be dead anyway and nothing to show  Fire1   Dec-02-09 12:29 PM   #255 
     - Nothing to show?  blindpig   Dec-02-09 12:44 PM   #271 
        - I don't talk to "dining room tables." n/t  Fire1   Dec-02-09 12:47 PM   #273 
     - I would tell them this:  NoSheep   Dec-02-09 01:29 PM   #321 
     - Great fucking reply. It should be it's own Original Post.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:49 PM   #338 
     - It's actually 3 replies cut and pasted together. What would I title it?  NoSheep   Dec-02-09 01:56 PM   #347 
        - The Taliban, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the problem with leaving them alone.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:56 PM   #384 
     - I agree, with one exception -  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 09:44 AM   #548 
     - Maybe that depends on which Afghans you want to see dead -  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 10:46 AM   #551 
  - What's really pathetic is that is all you can see in my OP.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:54 PM   #285 
  - The curtain has been ripped away.  blindpig   Dec-02-09 12:55 PM   #286 
  - Bogus posit unsupported by the real world facts. Keep on keepin' on, though  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 03:23 PM   #395 
  - You said exactly what i've been trying to get across to people for the last week  Chulanowa   Dec-02-09 11:54 AM   #226 
  - Thank you..  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:57 PM   #290 
  - Fool me once  GeorgeGist   Dec-02-09 12:12 PM   #240 
  - Excellent post. The extremists present a false dichotomy--war or bring home every single soldier now  tclambert   Dec-02-09 12:27 PM   #253 
  - I believe what you are describing is what Obama is working towards.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 12:59 PM   #293 
  - What I don't get  JNelson6563   Dec-02-09 12:31 PM   #257 
  - Frankly, I don't think any of us believe they will EVER get it  Fire1   Dec-02-09 12:35 PM   #262 
  - How are you going to help Afghanistan  moodforaday   Dec-02-09 12:36 PM   #264 
     - Uh, not to be too smug, but that is exactly what the extra troops are going  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:02 PM   #297 
     - Our troops cana do those things  JNelson6563   Dec-02-09 03:46 PM   #411 
  - K&R you expressed my opinions better than I could have. Thank You. (nt)  apnu   Dec-02-09 12:32 PM   #259 
  - As someone who has always been against this war (all wars) from....  Catamount   Dec-02-09 12:34 PM   #260 
  - thanks, catamount.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:02 PM   #300 
  - So I guess you voted for this too:  blindpig   Dec-02-09 12:43 PM   #269 
  - Fail.  Fire1   Dec-02-09 12:51 PM   #281 
  - Explain  blindpig   Dec-02-09 12:53 PM   #284 
     - I've "explained" throughout this thread. The President  Fire1   Dec-02-09 01:03 PM   #302 
  - Apparently.  closeupready   Dec-02-09 12:58 PM   #292 
  - When you're out of ideas post photos of corpses.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:11 PM   #306 
     - yes, because of course, corprses have nothing to do with warfare.  closeupready   Dec-02-09 01:19 PM   #314 
     - What Obama is doing is NOT all about war.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:26 PM   #318 
        - self-delte - nver mind, i'm done here.  closeupready   Dec-02-09 01:30 PM   #322 
        - Sorry to burst your bubble, but none of these things...  Amonester   Dec-02-09 09:06 PM   #483 
     - Ah, good for the goose, eh?  blindpig   Dec-02-09 01:31 PM   #325 
        - None of that changes the fact that if we need to fix SOME of what we have  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:40 PM   #331 
           - Yeah, right  blindpig   Dec-02-09 01:59 PM   #351 
              - False flag or strawman?? Your argument is a bogus posit based on the  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 03:22 PM   #393 
  - This insanity has been going on far too long .  blues90   Dec-02-09 12:50 PM   #276 
  - OK - What resources did we plunder out of Vietnam? korea??  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:15 PM   #309 
     - Vietnam brought us trade with China thanks to Kissenger  blues90   Dec-02-09 02:07 PM   #359 
        - We need to fix what infrastructure we destroyed, which is considerable,  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:44 PM   #382 
  - so you're saying: "We got to get 'er done!"  western mass   Dec-02-09 12:56 PM   #287 
  - That's what I think. Very basic argument wrapped up in pretty paper.  closeupready   Dec-02-09 01:00 PM   #294 
  - Not much substance in your opposition, either. Typical amurkan.  Fire1   Dec-02-09 01:00 PM   #295 
  - Sure there is.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:16 PM   #310 
  - Well written, but I disagree  Taverner   Dec-02-09 12:58 PM   #291 
  - Karzai in charge?  skepticscott   Dec-02-09 05:32 PM   #429 
     - I didn't say he did - but managing his own country is his problem, not ours  Taverner   Dec-02-09 05:35 PM   #430 
        - And yet you proclaimed it our victory  skepticscott   Dec-02-09 08:06 PM   #455 
  - The 30,000 after this one will be done quietly, like the 30,000  The_Casual_Observer   Dec-02-09 01:02 PM   #299 
  - "after COMPLETELY destroying their 9th century infrastructure"  Matariki   Dec-02-09 01:03 PM   #301 
  - Excellent post. Quite refreshing to see it, what with what passes for  stopbush   Dec-02-09 01:07 PM   #304 
  - Excellent response, thank you.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:18 PM   #312 
  - Applause, applause. Really. The  impik   Dec-03-09 02:01 AM   #541 
  - This is one of the most beautiful posts I've read here.  liquid diamond   Dec-03-09 10:38 PM   #584 
  - The war there should be on poverty. Reconstruction. Building. More troops is the wrong direction.  grahamhgreen   Dec-02-09 01:11 PM   #307 
  - Wrong. The TALIBAN doesn't want us there.  Fire1   Dec-02-09 01:13 PM   #308 
  - I stand corrected! It's the air strikes that they want stopped.  grahamhgreen   Dec-02-09 01:24 PM   #317 
  - Wrong. The Taliban in charge will respond to WHATEVER makes them wealthy and powerful  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 01:27 PM   #319 
     - So, you think you can get rid of the "mob" just that easy, huh?  Fire1   Dec-02-09 01:31 PM   #324 
        - Come back and talk war AFTER YOU go.  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 01:53 PM   #342 
        - Riiiiiiiight. n/t  Fire1   Dec-02-09 02:03 PM   #352 
        - Peace is how all wars end. nt  grahamhgreen   Dec-02-09 07:08 PM   #446 
  - Most of the soldiers going are NOT combat troops.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:20 PM   #315 
     - Good things cooks, medics, truck drivers and trainers never get blown up in war...  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 01:30 PM   #323 
        - Uh.....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:35 PM   #327 
           - My bad and my apologies then to you ...  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 01:43 PM   #334 
              - Someone always makes loads in war.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:53 PM   #343 
                 - The woman in my earlier story who got her leg blown off...  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 01:57 PM   #348 
                    - I don't think you are really TRYING to understand the difference.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:06 PM   #358 
                       - No I am not trying to understand...you are right  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 02:10 PM   #362 
  - Tell that to the parents of the next 5000 sons and daughters who will die there....  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 01:19 PM   #313 
  - None of this would be necessary if the Bushy boys along with the  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:33 PM   #326 
  - Well I am a Vet as well... so I'll continue to lecture...  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 01:39 PM   #330 
     - Because what is going to happen there is not completely about the combat.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:46 PM   #337 
     - It's not an "either-or" proposition...  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 01:51 PM   #339 
        - he is doping exactly everything the first part of your post says -  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:56 PM   #346 
           - Didn't say that he was not doing some of the other things...  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 02:04 PM   #354 
              - We cant rip a country to shreds and then leave  Fire1sKid   Dec-02-09 03:59 PM   #414 
     - No. You're not gonna lecture to anybody that doesn't want to  Fire1   Dec-02-09 01:59 PM   #349 
  - Nobody is justifying the casualties under the bush regime.  Fire1   Dec-02-09 01:37 PM   #328 
  - The Bull shit "we can't leave these people in this kind of mess"....  BlueJac   Dec-02-09 01:38 PM   #329 
  - He WILL bring them home and ON TIME. He's a politician  Fire1   Dec-02-09 01:43 PM   #333 
     - Really he missed his Iraqui pull-out date by over a year if we pull them out next summer....  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 01:44 PM   #335 
     - Right - when, exactly, did he say he would have the troops out of Iraq  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-02-09 01:52 PM   #340 
     - Actually he proposed March of 09 during his campaign...He actually said that he had a plan to do tha  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 01:55 PM   #344 
        - Um.....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:08 PM   #360 
        - I cannot find it because he NEVER SAID IT.  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-02-09 02:34 PM   #380 
           - READ AND LEARN WHAT OBAMA SAID...  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 03:18 PM   #390 
              - From September 07 - was he president then?  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-02-09 03:37 PM   #403 
                 - Sloppy thinking ?  Techn0Girl   Dec-02-09 03:44 PM   #410 
                    - So you really believe that he had the authority, a year and a half before  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 10:49 AM   #552 
     - I'm just dandy, thanks. Got some of that PROZAC they were  Fire1   Dec-02-09 02:10 PM   #363 
     - I hadn't thought of that.....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 01:59 PM   #350 
  - well said. I agree.  SemperEadem   Dec-02-09 01:40 PM   #332 
  - Speaking of New Orleans, we could use a few billion dollars to fix our levees and pumps,  Swamp Rat   Dec-02-09 01:55 PM   #345 
  - Howdy, SwampRat!!!  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:05 PM   #355 
  - A-fucking-men  wicket   Dec-02-09 02:15 PM   #368 
  - I thank you.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:20 PM   #372 
  - Ha ha ha-of course you did!  Generator   Dec-02-09 02:26 PM   #377 
  - And I'm glad your hatred can be expressed here dressed up as  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:33 PM   #379 
  - BEAUTIFULLY STATED! Obama's Courage, Integrity & Intelligence on full display in  truthrocks   Dec-02-09 02:35 PM   #381 
  - Exactly!  TheCML   Dec-02-09 02:49 PM   #383 
     - perhaps your information is wrong. Perhaps a little more study is in order...  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 02:58 PM   #385 
  - I have but one question  TomClash   Dec-02-09 02:58 PM   #386 
  - We pay as a country.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 03:07 PM   #387 
     - No we don't  TomClash   Dec-02-09 03:12 PM   #389 
        - I am sorry if your friends do not want to go. Don't look at the figures.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 03:18 PM   #391 
        - I read what you wrote  TomClash   Dec-02-09 03:34 PM   #400 
           - OOps-  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 03:44 PM   #409 
              - They're doing tours 4 and 5  TomClash   Dec-02-09 03:53 PM   #413 
                 - duplicated screed....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 04:00 PM   #415 
                 - How many tours under Obama?  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 04:00 PM   #416 
        - I absolutely agree, cliffordu. Obama CAMPAIGNED on this..  Lindsey   Dec-02-09 03:26 PM   #397 
           - Yep.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 03:32 PM   #399 
           - Where have we heard this before?  TheCML   Dec-02-09 03:36 PM   #401 
              - Not true. Actually, every Republican ever during the last 8 years of Bush  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-03-09 10:33 AM   #550 
                 - Thats not what I meant  TheCML   Dec-03-09 03:01 PM   #567 
  - Oh look, this thread didn't sink, then die, then bloat and rot and float away....  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 03:20 PM   #392 
  - I'm bloated, does that help??  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 03:25 PM   #396 
     - It would seem the Zombie Quotient fell significantly over night....  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 04:03 PM   #417 
        - Boo ya!!!!  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 04:07 PM   #418 
  - "Fixing" the disaster we caused is why we have stayed in Iraq too....  winyanstaz   Dec-02-09 03:23 PM   #394 
  - Obama is responsible for NONE of the crimes and missteps you list.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 03:28 PM   #398 
     - If Obama escolates this war..he is RESPONSIBLE.  winyanstaz   Dec-02-09 03:42 PM   #405 
  - Well done, cliffordu!  JuniperLea   Dec-02-09 03:37 PM   #402 
  - He ain't afraid of the political fallout, that's for sure.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 03:39 PM   #404 
     - It very well might...  JuniperLea   Dec-02-09 03:42 PM   #406 
  - Taking another shit on the Afghans and getting far away  TheKentuckian   Dec-02-09 03:43 PM   #408 
  - IF half the country rises up, I'll be advocating getting the fuck out right now,  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 03:53 PM   #412 
     - When we'll (finally) pull out in 18 months or so....  Amonester   Dec-02-09 09:41 PM   #503 
        - I think that's why all the trainers are going along...to end their influence,  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:11 PM   #529 
  - I don't agree with Obama's decision on this, but I appreciate your OP none the less.  Jefferson23   Dec-02-09 05:01 PM   #421 
  - I want them home, too....More than anyone who thinks I support war in any way  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 05:13 PM   #424 
  - Damn us Democrats...  Naked_Ape   Dec-02-09 05:04 PM   #422 
  - Then let's get rid of the mercenaries, get back the draft  emsimon33   Dec-02-09 05:07 PM   #423 
  - I don't disagree entirely.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 05:14 PM   #425 
     - No, it makes us think twice and going to or continuing a war  emsimon33   Dec-02-09 05:23 PM   #428 
  - Dayum! You're just behind Pit Bulls and Pot for greatest number of replies...  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 05:38 PM   #431 
  - Aw, kiss my  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 06:16 PM   #438 
     - chillin...  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 06:40 PM   #443 
        - Nope - Sorry about that but My mother in law turned for the worse and then  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:04 PM   #454 
  - This is mostly hypothetical  thegoodfight   Dec-02-09 05:41 PM   #433 
  - Aw, wassa matta.....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 06:17 PM   #439 
  - Oh dear. I don't think "shove the flag up your ass" is a nice thing to say to a Veteran.  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 06:41 PM   #444 
     - I thought that was kind of precious, too....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:11 PM   #456 
  - Go glitz or go home!!  meisje   Dec-02-09 05:45 PM   #434 
  - I agree with everything you wrote except for one thing: "as a country, we're broke."  mistertrickster   Dec-02-09 05:50 PM   #437 
  - Thanks, and you're right about the rich.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 06:19 PM   #440 
  - An intelligent post on DU lately is rare - thanks for a refreshing perspective and good insight  stray cat   Dec-02-09 06:51 PM   #445 
  - Thanks!.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:13 PM   #457 
  - Thanks...  quickesst   Dec-02-09 07:28 PM   #447 
  - Thanks. Much appreciated  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:14 PM   #458 
  - well said, I agree (nt)  Tumbulu   Dec-02-09 07:55 PM   #451 
  - Thank you..  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:14 PM   #460 
  - You've lost your mind. We try to set this right? And if it gets more wrong . . .  caseymoz   Dec-02-09 07:58 PM   #452 
  - The single error in your entire thoughtful reply is that we have NOT been  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:19 PM   #462 
     - We are not going to be there three more years fixing anything.  caseymoz   Dec-02-09 09:31 PM   #492 
  - I have to agree cliffordu  captn_nomad   Dec-02-09 07:59 PM   #453 
  - Yep - exactly -  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:22 PM   #463 
  - What you said!  SeattleGirl   Dec-02-09 08:23 PM   #464 
  - Thanks!!  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:27 PM   #465 
  - So...How many more people have to die before your guilt is assuaged?  Agony   Dec-02-09 08:31 PM   #466 
  - How many have to die before you'd feel any guilt at all?  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:40 PM   #468 
  - your faulty assumption that I feel no guilt and your 1-bit color world view are problematic  Agony   Dec-02-09 08:47 PM   #471 
  - Hmm. I find your response as stunted and intellectually flaccid as your  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:51 PM   #475 
  - What are you talking about?  pmorlan1   Dec-02-09 09:52 PM   #505 
     - I know what he said and what the pundits wrote....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:57 PM   #524 
  - (giddy with anticipation of the response in store for this bit of deep thought) nt  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 08:41 PM   #469 
     - Well......  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:47 PM   #472 
        - I hate when people want to visit their agony upon others.  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 08:53 PM   #476 
  - Another load of revisionist bullshit..  sendero   Dec-02-09 08:48 PM   #473 
  - Well......  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:50 PM   #474 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-09 08:53 PM   #477 
        - DING DING DING  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:57 PM   #479 
        - DING DING DING..  sendero   Dec-02-09 08:58 PM   #480 
        - Bwaahaha haha haha ha  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 08:59 PM   #481 
           - As if anything..  sendero   Dec-02-09 09:01 PM   #482 
              - At that point, you may have my most sincere apology.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 09:06 PM   #484 
        - You are citing "Charlie Wilson's War" as an authoritative source on the Afghani conflict?  liberation   Dec-02-09 09:34 PM   #494 
           - If you really want to understand what we've gotten into . . .  Bluesbreaker   Dec-03-09 12:11 AM   #535 
        - Dude, have you even BEEN to a Pottery Barn???  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 09:11 PM   #485 
           - There is a picture of my wife at the local pottery barn.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 09:14 PM   #486 
              - I can't go there anymore, not since "the Incident"...  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 09:17 PM   #487 
              - Sorry about that....Didn't that have something to do with a cocktail waitress  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 09:30 PM   #491 
                 - Way to advertise it, sport.  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 10:16 PM   #513 
                    - lol.....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:24 PM   #532 
              - lol.  Cha   Dec-02-09 09:35 PM   #498 
  - And, I think Pres Obama does too.  Cha   Dec-02-09 09:19 PM   #488 
  - I think so, too....  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 09:32 PM   #493 
  - Gingrich Supports Obama on this too  pmorlan1   Dec-02-09 09:29 PM   #490 
  - Um.....I don't base my attitudes or beliefs on what anyone else thinks or believes  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 09:35 PM   #497 
     - ..  Cha   Dec-02-09 09:36 PM   #501 
  - I never expected any Democratic President COULD just walk away.  Kansas Wyatt   Dec-02-09 09:34 PM   #495 
  - Yep.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 09:36 PM   #500 
  - The WARMONGERS on this thread just DISGUST me...  TankLV   Dec-02-09 09:59 PM   #507 
  - You forgot that "sarcasm" smiley thingy, Tankster. n/t  NYC_SKP   Dec-02-09 10:14 PM   #511 
  - Haven't seen one warmonger yet.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:38 PM   #517 
     - Well now..that should be real easy wont it?  winyanstaz   Dec-04-09 03:37 AM   #598 
  - Excellent post, but you need to elaborate on one major point  Martin Eden   Dec-02-09 10:06 PM   #508 
  - The point I was trying to make with that is  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:43 PM   #518 
  - Excellent post, but I have one major question:  Martin Eden   Dec-02-09 10:10 PM   #509 
  - An interesting side note to the speech  grantcart   Dec-02-09 10:13 PM   #510 
  - Yep.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:45 PM   #519 
  - You are so wrong -- and innocent people are dying for ignorance like yours.  Zhade   Dec-02-09 10:15 PM   #512 
  - No, they are not. And you should really do a little reading. Please.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:46 PM   #520 
  - Afghanistan was fucked up before we got there, but, yes, I think it's up to us to try to fix it. nt  Captain Hilts   Dec-02-09 10:18 PM   #515 
  - Yep.  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 10:47 PM   #521 
  - Nice job  rufus dog   Dec-02-09 10:27 PM   #516 
  - Thanks...  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:09 PM   #528 
  - You are correct sir  boomerbust   Dec-02-09 10:49 PM   #522 
  - Thanks...  cliffordu   Dec-02-09 11:11 PM   #530 
  - I volunteered for Obama's campaign, have someone in Iraq right now  SaveAmerica   Dec-03-09 12:05 AM   #533 
  - SaveAmerica, I would love for your reply to become an Original Post.  NYC_SKP   Dec-03-09 12:29 AM   #536 
  - I agree completely.  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 12:38 AM   #538 
  - Thanks for your words, I wrote to bring real life perspective to Cliffordu's post  SaveAmerica   Dec-03-09 08:42 PM   #576 
  - Thank you for your support, I hope your husband - and all our people -  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 12:37 AM   #537 
  - Great post, and although I totally dislike this war, I stand behind this president in his effort ...  kjackson227   Dec-03-09 09:41 AM   #547 
  - Thanks....!!  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 11:00 AM   #553 
  - So, I'm reading and posting from an airport...  NYC_SKP   Dec-03-09 11:54 AM   #555 
  - Have a good one -  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 12:47 PM   #558 
     - Somebody keeps poking at it...  NYC_SKP   Dec-03-09 04:57 PM   #568 
        - Go north, young man, to Venice Beach....  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 05:44 PM   #569 
           - I left my roller blades and clove cigs and colored chalk for sidewalk art at home...  NYC_SKP   Dec-03-09 05:46 PM   #570 
              - Everclear.  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 07:21 PM   #572 
                 - And crack and an anorexic hooker.  NYC_SKP   Dec-03-09 07:57 PM   #573 
                    - Don't forget a towell!!!!  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 08:04 PM   #575 
                       - OK, since this thread has taken a hard left turn, let me tell you what I did on my last trip...  NYC_SKP   Dec-03-09 08:56 PM   #577 
                          - You put your butt in an ashtray????  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 09:58 PM   #579 
                             - lol!  NYC_SKP   Dec-03-09 10:16 PM   #581 
                                - Not bad.....  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 10:19 PM   #582 
                                   - No, red-cheeked is what happened at Avila Beach when I floated all day on an inner tube in the ocean  NYC_SKP   Dec-03-09 10:23 PM   #583 
                                      - I did that in the Virgin Islands......  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 10:54 PM   #585 
                                         - This is one of the funniest sub-threads I've ever read on DU!  janx   Dec-03-09 11:04 PM   #587 
                                            - Well.......  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 11:09 PM   #589 
                                               - By the way, I agree with you.  janx   Dec-03-09 11:12 PM   #590 
                                                  - Thanks!!!  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 11:24 PM   #592 
                                                     - You know, that never occured to me!  NYC_SKP   Dec-04-09 01:04 AM   #593 
                                                     - My wife just said I have to disinvite you....  cliffordu   Dec-04-09 01:12 AM   #595 
                                                     - I could stay in the old Airstream.... stay out of the new place... bring an old sleeping bag.  NYC_SKP   Dec-04-09 01:18 AM   #597 
                                                     - Thanks, man....  cliffordu   Dec-04-09 10:52 AM   #603 
                                                     - Ask him if this number is significant: ~1.6180339  NYC_SKP   Dec-04-09 01:40 PM   #604 
                                                     - Later  cliffordu   Dec-04-09 03:05 PM   #605 
  - WARMONGER!!!  NYC_SKP   Dec-03-09 10:57 PM   #586 
  - You too, my good friend-  cliffordu   Dec-03-09 11:07 PM   #588 
     - cool, lemme know...  NYC_SKP   Dec-03-09 11:12 PM   #591 
  - Why isn't the U.S. at war with Saudi Arabia? The so called hijackers were mostly Saudis.  earth mom   Dec-04-09 01:12 AM   #594 
  - This is no longer about 9/11 even though everyone keeps referring to it.  cliffordu   Dec-04-09 03:08 PM   #606 
  - ***GREATEST THREAD EVER***  FarLeftFist   Dec-04-09 01:13 AM   #596 
  - Don't be hatin'....  cliffordu   Dec-04-09 03:08 PM   #607 
  - I will vote for him again.  NYC_SKP   Dec-07-09 11:31 AM   #608 
 

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