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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:13 PM
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39. K&R for MM.
Speaks for me.

As this thread demonstrates, The Pro-War "Centrists" are running out of credible arguments to support their position.
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  -An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore unapatriciated  Nov-30-09 04:45 AM   #0 
  - Michael Moore under the bus by the corporocrats in 3--2---1 n/t  AllentownJake   Nov-30-09 04:48 AM   #1 
  - He has been under that bus and resurrected many a time here.  unapatriciated   Nov-30-09 05:00 AM   #6 
  - His bus status changes from one moment to the next. n/t  QC   Nov-30-09 08:07 AM   #19 
     - Schrodinger's Bus Wheels?  boppers   Nov-30-09 11:16 PM   #78 
  - k&r  Swamp Rat   Nov-30-09 04:49 AM   #2 
  - the k and the r  SpiralHawk   Nov-30-09 04:52 AM   #3 
  - K and R  ClayZ   Nov-30-09 04:53 AM   #4 
  - Hope  Little Star   Nov-30-09 04:55 AM   #5 
  - +1 ...K&R  Just-plain-Kathy   Nov-30-09 07:53 PM   #52 
  - Also, show the left some respect by not trying to SELL it  optimator   Nov-30-09 05:05 AM   #7 
  - +1 'Don't attempt to sell it to us'  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-30-09 01:57 PM   #42 
     - I expect President Obama to frame it  Enthusiast   Dec-01-09 05:14 AM   #103 
  - If you're dead set on...  snake in the grass   Nov-30-09 05:17 AM   #8 
  - I'll just leave this here.  Jkid   Nov-30-09 05:27 PM   #49 
  - I agree, Snake. But it's the collateral damage here at home that I'm worried about.  bertman   Nov-30-09 09:22 PM   #62 
  - I worry about that too, but...  snake in the grass   Dec-01-09 06:25 AM   #107 
     - "There never was a good war, or a bad peace"...Benjamin Franklin  sad sally   Dec-01-09 04:16 PM   #116 
  - +1  roody   Nov-30-09 10:33 PM   #70 
  - Brief history of Afghanistan by Adam Ritscher.  Altoid_Cyclist   Nov-30-09 05:59 AM   #9 
  - Glad you posted that.  dixiegrrrrl   Nov-30-09 06:26 AM   #13 
     - The US does have a tendency towards tunnel vision when it comes to the rest of the world.  Altoid_Cyclist   Nov-30-09 07:33 AM   #16 
     - Second dixiegrrrl's comments.  bertman   Nov-30-09 09:33 PM   #63 
  - Obama promised during the campaign that he would increase the number of troops in Afghanistan  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-30-09 06:13 AM   #10 
  - "War of Necessity"  Firstzar   Nov-30-09 06:19 AM   #12 
  - does that mean you HAVE to agree with the stance?  Djinn   Nov-30-09 06:51 AM   #15 
  - No, but it is disingenuous to suggest that Obama supporters would become  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-30-09 07:49 AM   #17 
     - The party is a coalition  AllentownJake   Nov-30-09 08:05 AM   #18 
     - The lack of a viable "no war choice" shows you which part of the coalition is stronger  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-30-09 09:44 AM   #22 
     - The 25% that has no problem voting GOP  AllentownJake   Nov-30-09 09:51 AM   #25 
     - Obama got over 50% of the delegates  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-30-09 08:09 PM   #55 
     - Yes, many moneyed "blue dogs" are invested in the War Machine's private corporations  ShortnFiery   Nov-30-09 09:53 AM   #27 
        - If most Democrats believed that conspiracy theory BS, Obama never would have won the nomination  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-30-09 08:11 PM   #56 
     - Withdrawing is the ONLY choice. Congress has NOT declared war.  ShortnFiery   Nov-30-09 09:51 AM   #26 
     - Does It Matter If Things Have Changed Since The Campaign?? More Than Ever  ChiciB1   Nov-30-09 09:01 PM   #60 
     - exactly. n/t  OhioBlue   Nov-30-09 10:30 PM   #69 
  - The "disillusioned cycnics" thoght it wrong then and thus have not chnaged.  Stinky The Clown   Nov-30-09 08:36 AM   #20 
  - So, they must have been quite cynical to vote for a candidate who did not share their views  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-30-09 09:48 AM   #23 
     - I think the expression was in 2008  AllentownJake   Nov-30-09 10:05 AM   #29 
        - Obama didn't become the nominee by accident  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-30-09 11:14 AM   #33 
           - He sure did while hammering his only viable opponents  AllentownJake   Nov-30-09 11:15 AM   #34 
           - He stated that the war in Iraq was a mistake and that the war in Afghanistan, although poorly waged,  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-30-09 08:17 PM   #57 
           - I was among his supporters  Stinky The Clown   Nov-30-09 02:20 PM   #45 
              - What specifically am I rewriting about history?  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-30-09 08:20 PM   #58 
              - He was remarkably non specific.  Stinky The Clown   Nov-30-09 08:44 PM   #59 
              - Freddie, Obama won on hope, youth, diplomacy and the economy, stupid  Mithreal   Dec-01-09 03:41 AM   #101 
              - And Now It Will Be "His War!" And The Election Is Over! None Of Us Dared  ChiciB1   Nov-30-09 09:10 PM   #61 
  - He's already increased the troops, putting an additional 24 000 of them there.  truedelphi   Nov-30-09 07:10 PM   #51 
  - Apperently he does not believe that the notion of that war is flawed  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-30-09 08:08 PM   #54 
     - So? "Yes, We Can" or "I Got This"? Can't stand the folks who  Mithreal   Dec-01-09 03:29 PM   #115 
  - I am happy to say that I did not donate a penny to him.  roody   Nov-30-09 10:35 PM   #71 
  - You are still an asshole!  JanMichael   Nov-30-09 10:40 PM   #73 
  - Obama also said he was against DUMB wars.  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-30-09 10:43 PM   #74 
  - I'm sure that's what got him elected...  MrMickeysMom   Nov-30-09 11:56 PM   #81 
  - Despite rhetoric, any & all US presidents are hired/installed to be the next "war president."  Echo In Light   Nov-30-09 06:18 AM   #11 
  - President Kill has no interest in hippie talk.  Karmadillo   Nov-30-09 06:33 AM   #14 
  - So who should we believe: Michael Moore or Pres. Obama?  QC   Nov-30-09 08:38 AM   #21 
  - That is a little over-simplistic, aye. The FACT is that al Qaeda is no longer in Afghanistan.  ShortnFiery   Nov-30-09 09:49 AM   #24 
  - Well, let's see...  Dr. Strange   Nov-30-09 10:44 AM   #32 
  - LMFAO!  jonnyblitz   Nov-30-09 11:18 AM   #35 
  - Michael Moore  blindpig   Nov-30-09 11:29 AM   #36 
  - Yes, but he's certainly not as dreamy as you know who! n/t  QC   Nov-30-09 02:18 PM   #44 
  - Let them eat Job Summits!  Karmadillo   Nov-30-09 04:54 PM   #46 
  - Could someone tinker with QC's picture?  DerekG   Nov-30-09 05:15 PM   #48 
  - done  wuushew   Nov-30-09 11:33 PM   #80 
     - Much obliged, wuushew  DerekG   Dec-01-09 12:31 AM   #88 
     - I would dearly love to see that as an OP  Prism   Dec-01-09 01:56 PM   #113 
     - wow - quite excellent. perfectly captures the moment.  scentopine   Dec-01-09 10:28 PM   #118 
  - How about believing history  tinrobot   Nov-30-09 11:07 PM   #76 
     - Was just reading an astonishing comment about a report on the BBC . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-01-09 12:20 AM   #85 
  - This will be the final nail of hubris  Jakes Progress   Nov-30-09 09:59 AM   #28 
  - Repubs are Counting On Obama Increasing Troops To Ensure Can't Lose Status For Them...  Blackhatjack   Nov-30-09 10:30 AM   #30 
  - Do you mean his hard decisions  Kid Dynamite   Nov-30-09 05:36 PM   #50 
     - Its no secret Bush/Cheney destroyed everything and now Repubs are blaming Obama for it...  Blackhatjack   Dec-01-09 12:51 PM   #112 
  - kick  babydollhead   Nov-30-09 10:39 AM   #31 
  - K&R  AVID   Nov-30-09 11:33 AM   #37 
  - Obama can do what he wants. He made history. All the magazines say so. n/t  newtothegame   Nov-30-09 12:36 PM   #38 
  - K&R for MM.  bvar22   Nov-30-09 01:13 PM   #39 
  - Kick!  QC   Nov-30-09 01:30 PM   #40 
  - It is not your job to do what the generals tell you to do. We are a civilian-run government.  mod mom   Nov-30-09 01:50 PM   #41 
  - It ain't just the generals we hate, Michael.  robertpaulsen   Nov-30-09 02:11 PM   #43 
  - final nail  branders seine   Nov-30-09 05:04 PM   #47 
  - # 90 rec . . .  Krashkopf   Nov-30-09 08:03 PM   #53 
  - Excellent!  Clear Blue Sky   Nov-30-09 09:33 PM   #64 
  - War - The Stimulus Package for the Rest of Us  scentopine   Nov-30-09 09:34 PM   #65 
  - Cannot stand the word caucasian  thegoodfight   Dec-01-09 12:50 AM   #89 
  - You know you are right - my fingers were flying, its quite awkward -nt  scentopine   Dec-01-09 08:25 PM   #117 
  - +1  dreamnightwind   Dec-01-09 12:55 AM   #91 
  - President Obama, if you're hellbent on listening to the generals, here are two you should  bertman   Nov-30-09 09:49 PM   #66 
  - Allegedly, Eisenhower's original speech script was written...  woodcarver   Nov-30-09 11:05 PM   #75 
     - As I hear it ... it was the MIIC . . . including "Intelligence Complex" . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-01-09 12:23 AM   #86 
        - Connected to the CIA? Even if true, unsure what it means.  Mithreal   Dec-01-09 05:03 AM   #102 
        - If not "connected to" the CIA certainly influenced heavily by it. As is every President  bertman   Dec-01-09 11:15 AM   #110 
  - K&R....n/t  unkachuck   Nov-30-09 09:59 PM   #67 
  - K&R  bluesmail   Nov-30-09 10:08 PM   #68 
  - but EVIL lurks everywhere and we need to point big guns at herdsmen!  mullard12ax7   Nov-30-09 10:37 PM   #72 
  - Great letter-but Moore forgot to ask Obama to give that so called "peace prize" back. nt  earth mom   Nov-30-09 11:13 PM   #77 
  - Amazing that you can run two wars and get the "peace prize" . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-01-09 12:25 AM   #87 
     - The kicker is: 100,000 troops to chase 100 al Qaeda members in Afghanistan & 300 in Pakistan  earth mom   Dec-01-09 01:02 AM   #94 
        - Plus US/CIA created Taliban/Al Qaeda . .. financed it . . . used it to bait  defendandprotect   Dec-01-09 01:53 AM   #98 
  - Democratic Kick.  ShortnFiery   Nov-30-09 11:26 PM   #79 
  - Thanks for posting this...  MrMickeysMom   Nov-30-09 11:59 PM   #82 
  - Comments from . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-01-09 12:13 AM   #83 
  - And just a PS on the second comment . . . "What did we do?" . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-01-09 01:57 AM   #99 
  - Nice try, Michael --  defendandprotect   Dec-01-09 12:17 AM   #84 
  - Could someone please post one of those lists of all the great things Obama has done because I'm  garybeck   Dec-01-09 12:50 AM   #90 
  - It may be a mistake to think common sense or the rule of law have anything to do with this.  omega minimo   Dec-01-09 01:01 AM   #92 
  - Come on people! It's a CHESS MOVE!  leftstreet   Dec-01-09 01:02 AM   #93 
  - Vulcan chess, no less! n/t  QC   Dec-01-09 07:46 AM   #108 
  - Well said! I totally agree with you.  earcandle   Dec-01-09 01:18 AM   #95 
  - I'm confused...  dreamnightwind   Dec-01-09 01:29 AM   #96 
  - this post is pure distilled awesomeness  bring_em_home_bush   Dec-01-09 03:18 PM   #114 
     - Thank you, that made my day! eom  dreamnightwind   Dec-03-09 12:26 AM   #119 
  - Silly Michael  Autonomy   Dec-01-09 01:43 AM   #97 
  - It seems to be the only campaign promise  rollingrock   Dec-01-09 02:12 AM   #100 
     - Untrue  Autonomy   Dec-01-09 10:06 AM   #109 
  - I've thought about the Afghanistan  Enthusiast   Dec-01-09 05:25 AM   #104 
  - I Agree  yellowwood   Dec-01-09 05:38 AM   #105 
  - Oy you too Mike?  Egnever   Dec-01-09 05:52 AM   #106 
  - So the generals are always for the war?  treestar   Dec-01-09 11:17 AM   #111 
 

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