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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #73
99. Are you a dog expert?
If you're not (as I suspect) then you're not qualified to judge the potential liability of any dog. You do your clients a disservice by making decisions outside your area of expertise.
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  -If you believe Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous animals, & you support BSL to ban them baldguy  Nov-29-09 10:24 PM   #0 
  - I can pull my 9 lb rat terrier off my ankle.  donco6   Nov-29-09 10:28 PM   #1 
  - If you were a responsible dog owner who trained them properly you wouldn't have to.  baldguy   Nov-29-09 10:30 PM   #4 
  - The world is full of irresponsible dog owners.  donco6   Nov-29-09 10:33 PM   #9 
  - I don't believe that it is in the breed, but more in the owners of the breed....  LakeSamish706   Nov-29-09 10:41 PM   #17 
     - not always  DrDan   Nov-30-09 07:32 AM   #164 
     - Nope.  donco6   Nov-30-09 04:06 PM   #341 
  - my ex's undisciplined terriesr shattered cat's leg, bit kid in face and on penis  uppityperson   Nov-29-09 11:37 PM   #59 
  - but they should have kids?  ThomThom   Nov-30-09 01:50 PM   #270 
  - BUT SOCIETY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO COUNT ON ---  smalll   Nov-30-09 12:09 AM   #78 
     - Ban all dogs of what size? Serious question.  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 12:17 AM   #84 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-09 12:30 AM   #100 
     - Stop compensating for your misanthropy with love of pitbulls.  smalll   Nov-30-09 12:33 AM   #102 
     - Can we extend that to Dick Cheney?  OffWithTheirHeads   Nov-30-09 12:33 AM   #103 
     - Why not? We count on people to be responsible car drivers  Bonn1997   Nov-30-09 04:49 AM   #153 
     - agree  DrDan   Nov-30-09 05:46 AM   #154 
  - Can you pull your 9# rat terrier off a little girl's throat?  uppityperson   Nov-29-09 11:16 PM   #42 
  - The problem isn't the dog breed - it's the irresponsible owner.  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:21 PM   #47 
  - I know, was hoping donco might like to tell me more of his/her hatred of large dogs  uppityperson   Nov-29-09 11:32 PM   #55 
  - +1  OffWithTheirHeads   Nov-30-09 12:31 AM   #101 
  - Agreed  meow2u3   Nov-30-09 10:24 AM   #210 
     - Training proves premeditation.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:25 PM   #234 
  - I don't support any bans.  donco6   Nov-30-09 09:02 AM   #182 
  - What I'm saying is simple.  donco6   Nov-30-09 04:03 PM   #340 
     - Very true.  flvegan   Dec-01-09 01:49 AM   #400 
  - get a "Moses"  thenooch   Nov-30-09 12:47 AM   #114 
  - Actually, most pure-bred pit bulls aren't anywhere near that big, maybe 40-50 lbs.  nomorenomore08   Nov-30-09 01:19 AM   #127 
  - Then I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able  lukasahero   Nov-30-09 08:04 AM   #174 
  - Should we ban all large dogs? My brothers girlfriend has a 110 newfie  EndersDame   Nov-30-09 08:55 AM   #180 
  - That was my question as well.  The Doctor.   Nov-30-09 12:21 PM   #232 
  - If it's 90lb  guitar man   Nov-30-09 09:51 AM   #195 
  - It is and always has been the owners that are the problem with pets....  LakeSamish706   Nov-29-09 10:28 PM   #2 
  - You and your facts!  flvegan   Nov-29-09 10:28 PM   #3 
  - My friend owns 3 very large pit bulls  rcrush   Nov-29-09 10:30 PM   #5 
  - That's what the always say about the latest pitbull that rips the face off some baby --  smalll   Nov-30-09 12:37 AM   #106 
  - Rather like this one: Family Pit Bull Kills 11-Month Old Child in Eastpointe  depakid   Nov-30-09 12:59 AM   #120 
  - So much for "it's always some bad owner's fault."  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 01:17 AM   #126 
     - It never ceases to amaze me how some can't accept the simplest of concepts  depakid   Nov-30-09 01:22 AM   #128 
     - "He's never done anything like this before!"  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 01:26 AM   #130 
     - And as has been mentioned in many of the cases reported in the Portland area  depakid   Nov-30-09 02:13 AM   #143 
     - Until we start charging dog owners criminally, we won't be able to stop this carnage.  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 02:18 AM   #146 
        - I'm not entirely comfortable with removing the scienter in some of these cases  depakid   Nov-30-09 02:34 AM   #148 
     - exactly - and here is one further case from just a few days ago  DrDan   Nov-30-09 07:35 AM   #166 
     - You mean like this...?  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 01:29 AM   #132 
     - Sometimes the problem lies with the individual dog  meow2u3   Nov-30-09 10:45 AM   #214 
  - Cite your source for that quote, please. nt  LWolf   Nov-30-09 07:58 AM   #171 
  - That's what they always say about the latest pitbull that rips the face off some baby --  smalll   Nov-30-09 12:37 AM   #107 
  - That wasn't particularly worth repeating. Or editing. nt  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 12:44 AM   #112 
  - here's another - just a couple of days ago  DrDan   Nov-30-09 07:37 AM   #167 
  - I am sure this family felt the same way a week ago  DrDan   Nov-30-09 07:33 AM   #165 
  - thank you  dana_b   Nov-29-09 10:30 PM   #6 
  - I have a really bad pitbull phobia. But that's my problem, not theirs  EFerrari   Nov-29-09 10:32 PM   #7 
  - Thank you very much. You, as always, demonstrate the good sense to  Greyhound   Nov-30-09 12:25 AM   #96 
  - Sorry these dogs are trained to be violent.  rwheeler31   Nov-29-09 10:32 PM   #8 
  - The vast majority are trained to be pets, and are not violent.  baldguy   Nov-29-09 10:36 PM   #15 
  - Any protection breed walking loose is a concern, and I'm a Rottie person.  imdjh   Nov-29-09 10:54 PM   #25 
  - BTW, if you go to the big dog park, all of these breeds will surprise you. I play with a Presa...  imdjh   Nov-29-09 10:57 PM   #28 
  - I don't think you should allow your kids to be outside with ANY dog loose.  GOPisEvil   Nov-29-09 11:11 PM   #36 
  - Even more, they are BRED to be violent --  smalll   Nov-30-09 12:12 AM   #80 
  - The vast majority are BRED to be pets, and are not violent.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:20 AM   #89 
  - Thanks for your sane approach and courage to speak it.  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 01:23 AM   #129 
  - Who does the training?  EndersDame   Nov-30-09 08:55 AM   #181 
  - I know of several  marketcrazy1   Nov-29-09 10:33 PM   #10 
  - I looked to see if I could find any news stories about deadly attacks by basset hounds.  noamnety   Nov-29-09 10:34 PM   #11 
  - Because virtualy any dog involved in an attack that has four legs is described as a "Pit Bull".  baldguy   Nov-29-09 10:38 PM   #16 
  - The pit bull's owner was walking it, and it broke its leash.  noamnety   Nov-29-09 10:44 PM   #20 
     - As I suspected, the elderly neighbor was the expert witness consulted for the breed identification.  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:01 PM   #30 
     - "even though the newspaper identifies it as a pit bull"Therein lies a BIG problem, here's some picts  uppityperson   Nov-29-09 11:26 PM   #49 
        - The media always jumps on stories about pit bull or Rottweiler attacks.  RebelOne   Nov-30-09 06:41 AM   #162 
           - It used to be Shepherds and Dobies  lukasahero   Nov-30-09 12:32 PM   #237 
  - Some facts about pit bulls:  depakid   Nov-29-09 10:54 PM   #26 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-29-09 11:02 PM   #31 
  - Links?  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:06 PM   #34 
  - Oh, watch out.  flvegan   Nov-29-09 11:13 PM   #38 
     - Thats covered in page 4-5 of my first link.  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:27 PM   #52 
        - Here's a hint for you: it's not the bite- but the severity of injuries  depakid   Nov-30-09 12:19 AM   #86 
           - Pages 6-7  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:54 AM   #117 
              - 38.5% were regarded as serious (requiring medical attention) !  depakid   Nov-30-09 01:10 AM   #124 
                 - This result was not statistically significant. {Because the designation of "Pit Bull" in the report  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 01:27 AM   #131 
                    - Actually, your point re: the 4 related breeds strengthens the argument against these types of animal  depakid   Nov-30-09 02:06 AM   #141 
                       - #'s for a group of 4 is > #s for a group of 1, therefore any 1 of that group of 4 is > than that  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 03:08 AM   #151 
                          - WTF are you talking about?  depakid   Nov-30-09 03:13 PM   #317 
                             - Read it again. Others are single, "pit bull" is a grouping of 4. Read it again  uppityperson   Dec-01-09 03:47 AM   #401 
  - Without a source, those are not any "facts" but an opion.  uppityperson   Nov-29-09 11:14 PM   #39 
  - Did you forget to link to the article that is from?...  SidDithers   Nov-29-09 11:16 PM   #41 
  - You know, people do get involved in other things and forget to add the link every now and again  depakid   Nov-29-09 11:21 PM   #48 
     - That's why I asked if you had forgotten...nt  SidDithers   Nov-29-09 11:27 PM   #51 
  - Yes, it is a breed created to fight to the death, and achieve it quickly.  TexasObserver   Nov-29-09 11:52 PM   #68 
     - Accurate - if you ignore about 400 yrs of breeding history.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:07 AM   #77 
  - Statistical validity is not the media's job.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 06:06 AM   #156 
  - My brother has a Pit Bull and it is a sweetheart n/t  doc03   Nov-29-09 10:34 PM   #12 
  - Would be nice if we could just ban irresponsible pet owners instead  cowcommander   Nov-29-09 10:35 PM   #13 
  - + 1000000  Jamastiene   Nov-30-09 02:49 AM   #150 
  - My guess is that Pits are probably the most inbred dogs around right now  Gman   Nov-29-09 10:35 PM   #14 
  - So, a few dogs cause problems when they get inbred & abused - genocide is a solution?  baldguy   Nov-29-09 10:43 PM   #18 
  - Yep  Gman   Nov-30-09 08:19 AM   #176 
     - Then, we should get rid of Chows, Labs, Rottis, Huskys & Poodles too.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 09:47 AM   #193 
  - So, based on your "guess" we should execute them all?  flvegan   Nov-29-09 10:44 PM   #19 
  - Yeah, but the homeowners insurance folks are making trouble.  imdjh   Nov-29-09 10:59 PM   #29 
  - Gun ownership is a right, and we regulate their ownership much more closely.  TexasObserver   Nov-29-09 11:56 PM   #72 
  - I think that all pit bulls should be fused into a single, huge pit bull  Orrex   Nov-29-09 10:48 PM   #21 
  - We need to ban pitbulls, guns, and pitbulls with guns - then utopia will be here....  The Straight Story   Nov-29-09 10:50 PM   #22 
  - How about guns that shoot Pit Bulls?  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:09 PM   #35 
  - Thank you! People are so woefully ignorant.  camio   Nov-29-09 10:51 PM   #23 
  - Pit Bulls have gotten a really unfair rap  sweetroxie   Nov-29-09 10:54 PM   #24 
  - I had a pit bull terrier as a pig dog...  shaayecanaan   Nov-29-09 10:54 PM   #27 
  - But they are "just oversized drooling kittens"  Strelnikov_   Nov-29-09 11:03 PM   #32 
  - My mother had a Silky  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:17 PM   #43 
     - Yep, you heard it hear.  TicketyBoo   Nov-30-09 08:17 AM   #175 
        - Givin no training - yes.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 09:49 AM   #194 
  - "There is no documented case that a single, spayed/neutered American Pit Bull Terrier,..."  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:12 PM   #37 
     - Fair few weasel words there...  shaayecanaan   Nov-29-09 11:44 PM   #63 
     - Anecdotal reports are worthless, because 90% of the time the breed is misidentified.  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:55 PM   #71 
     - Exactly what I was seeing. The report has everything so qualified as to not  Better Today   Nov-30-09 12:04 AM   #74 
        - And most news reports on the issue are so broad as to be meaningless.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:24 AM   #92 
     - I guess peer reviewed research doesn't count in fatalities and maulings  depakid   Nov-30-09 12:12 AM   #81 
        - Peer reviewed?  flvegan   Nov-30-09 12:25 AM   #95 
           - A link to "CDC has rescinded every last bit of opinion"  Better Today   Nov-30-09 12:43 AM   #111 
              - Not a problem.  flvegan   Nov-30-09 01:38 AM   #135 
                 - That's a criticism of study methodology (data gathering)  depakid   Nov-30-09 01:44 AM   #136 
                    - They admit to using "media accounts". That alone tells us this report is  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 06:17 AM   #158 
                    - If the methodology is faulty the conclusion fails.  JoeyT   Nov-30-09 06:30 AM   #160 
                    - Correct. A study with flawed methodology stinks of a political agenda.  TZ   Nov-30-09 02:06 PM   #274 
                    - If the problem is data gathering/methodology... then the problem  CBR   Nov-30-09 12:41 PM   #238 
                       - And ill-conceived "reports' like this are used to push through equally ill-conceived BSL bans.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 01:44 PM   #266 
                          - Your argument: since perfect and infallibly discrete data doesn't exist- we can't even acknoledge  depakid   Nov-30-09 03:21 PM   #324 
  - You bastard!!! I  Midlodemocrat   Nov-29-09 11:05 PM   #33 
  - I love how Petey attacked and killed all the Little Rascals.  GOPisEvil   Nov-29-09 11:14 PM   #40 
  - AKC American Staffordshire Terrier vs. UKC American Pit Bull Terrier specs  meow2u3   Nov-30-09 10:37 AM   #213 
  - The ankle biters are the mean ones around here  Irishonly   Nov-29-09 11:17 PM   #44 
  - One of my sisters had a pit bull who was one of the most gentle  SeattleGirl   Nov-29-09 11:17 PM   #45 
  - Just spent the day visiting L.A. city shelters...so many Pit Bulls. I love them!  astonamous   Nov-29-09 11:19 PM   #46 
  - Hope you enjoy lawsuits, too  depakid   Nov-29-09 11:29 PM   #53 
     - Which feeds the misinformed hype.  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:36 PM   #57 
     - You're promoting an inherently dangerous breed- and every senseble objective person knows it  depakid   Nov-29-09 11:59 PM   #73 
        - There's probably a reason you aren't an underwriter or landlord.  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 12:04 AM   #75 
        - Wouldn't want to be an underwriter- boring as hell- but I've reported to many  depakid   Nov-30-09 12:24 AM   #93 
           - Being in public health, I think law is more cynical. But then I'm not a lawyer  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 12:40 AM   #109 
              - Working on women's and family health policy issues during the Bush Administration  depakid   Nov-30-09 12:48 AM   #115 
                 - I have worked on that, and many other things. We are cynical, but still think  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 12:54 AM   #118 
                    - Just subtlety  depakid   Nov-30-09 01:07 AM   #123 
        - Are you a dog expert?  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:28 AM   #99 
           - I know how to distinguish credible material and analyze matters like this objectively  depakid   Nov-30-09 12:36 AM   #104 
              - Apparently not, since your keep referring to the CDC report that's been discredited & withdrawn.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 01:03 AM   #122 
                 - Errr- no, it hasn't been withdrawn  depakid   Nov-30-09 01:37 AM   #134 
                    - The CDC's Dog Bite Fact Sheet (rev Apr 1, 2008) disgrees with you  baldguy   Nov-30-09 11:05 AM   #217 
                       - How many times are you going to use that same rationalization?  depakid   Nov-30-09 12:59 PM   #245 
                          - And how many times will you use the same biased, misleading & discredited hearsay?  baldguy   Nov-30-09 01:57 PM   #271 
                             - You can fuss and holler all you want- make all sorts of ridiculous claims  depakid   Nov-30-09 05:14 PM   #365 
                                - So, the CDC, the Humane Society, the AVA, every reputable peer-reviewed study  baldguy   Nov-30-09 05:46 PM   #371 
                                - Here are some ACTUAL studies on the effectiveness of BSL  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 05:49 PM   #372 
                                   - You can cite all of the sophistry that you like- pit bulls are on the way out  depakid   Nov-30-09 06:44 PM   #385 
                                      - Melodramatically overreact much?  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 06:47 PM   #386 
                                      - Just letting you know what's going to happen  depakid   Nov-30-09 07:04 PM   #392 
                                         - It's official.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 07:05 PM   #393 
                                         - Serious questions.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 09:05 PM   #396 
                                      - So.. you think that he American Bar, The ASPCA, MSU's college of Law and an independant researcher  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 07:03 PM   #390 
                                         - I think your study doesn't adress the issue  depakid   Nov-30-09 09:19 PM   #397 
     - www.dogbitelaw.com can't POSSIBLY be biased in any way  dropkickpa   Dec-01-09 07:02 AM   #409 
  - my empirical evidence...  treygoba66   Nov-29-09 11:26 PM   #50 
  - And just how did you identify these dogs?  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:32 PM   #56 
  - ..  Strelnikov_   Nov-29-09 11:41 PM   #61 
     - And just how did YOU identify these dogs?  uppityperson   Nov-29-09 11:47 PM   #64 
        - They looked just like this dog.  Strelnikov_   Nov-29-09 11:48 PM   #66 
           - And this one  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:13 AM   #82 
              - No. They looked like this one. n/t  Strelnikov_   Nov-30-09 12:15 AM   #83 
                 - They came with labels? Wow!  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 12:22 AM   #90 
                    - I don't understand your comment. n/t  Strelnikov_   Nov-30-09 12:25 AM   #94 
                       - Look at your post "they look like this"  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 12:27 AM   #98 
                          - No idea if people label their dogs as to breed. Spray paint?  Strelnikov_   Nov-30-09 12:37 AM   #105 
  - My sister...  kirby   Nov-29-09 11:31 PM   #54 
  - And what sort of training did your sister engage in with the mother dog?  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:37 PM   #60 
  - But the poster did not say  TicketyBoo   Nov-30-09 08:35 AM   #177 
     - And what training occured?  baldguy   Nov-30-09 09:45 AM   #192 
        - That I do not know...  kirby   Nov-30-09 10:04 AM   #201 
           - Every dog needs to be trained by it's owner. Period. No exceptions.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 10:28 AM   #211 
           - Well, I would say that my  TicketyBoo   Dec-01-09 06:11 AM   #404 
              - Not even Pomeranians are an exception. Complacency and a false sense of security with any breed can  PeaceNikki   Dec-01-09 06:27 AM   #407 
                 - All Pomeranians are not created equal.  TicketyBoo   Dec-01-09 11:00 AM   #416 
           - Maybe a PET LICENSE should be required...  kirby   Nov-30-09 10:30 AM   #212 
              - I wouldn't be opposed to that.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:03 PM   #225 
              - They used to require a license here  TicketyBoo   Dec-01-09 06:14 AM   #405 
  - Thanks for telling of an incident of an unprovoked attack by a family "pet."  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 12:11 AM   #79 
  - What's unnatural is expecting it to always do that, no matter the circumstances.  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 12:20 AM   #88 
  - I used to own a collie-lab and one of her sons by a beagle  hfojvt   Nov-30-09 02:17 AM   #145 
  - "There is no documented case that a single, spayed/neutered American Pit Bull Terrier,..."  Better Today   Nov-29-09 11:36 PM   #58 
  - StBernard stalked me once, scared the crap out of me  uppityperson   Nov-29-09 11:43 PM   #62 
  - I have no doubt there are exceptions to all preconceptions, my bad. Generally  Better Today   Nov-29-09 11:52 PM   #69 
     - I was a kid, thought StBernards were Rescue dogs, safe ones, this one  uppityperson   Nov-29-09 11:54 PM   #70 
  - Learn the difference between a "family" dog and a "resident" dog.  baldguy   Nov-29-09 11:47 PM   #65 
  - No, there are many family dogs living indoors with the family, that are not single  Better Today   Nov-29-09 11:50 PM   #67 
     - Look at the sentance immediatly before the one you've cherry-picked.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:18 AM   #85 
        - results from a "positive and humane" upbringing  DrDan   Nov-30-09 07:58 AM   #170 
           - No toddler should be left alone with ANY dog, EVER.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 09:16 AM   #185 
              - particularly this breed  DrDan   Nov-30-09 11:25 AM   #223 
                 - Particularly ANY breed.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:10 PM   #228 
                    - why would that surprise me  DrDan   Nov-30-09 12:30 PM   #236 
                       - Well, you're not calling for the mass sterilization & elimination of any groups of people  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:51 PM   #242 
                          - I am not calling for mass sterilization and elimination of dogs in general  DrDan   Nov-30-09 01:27 PM   #252 
                             - What dogs? Molossers? Terriers? Mastiffs?  baldguy   Nov-30-09 02:02 PM   #273 
  - I applaud you for the wise course you've chosen with your animals.  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 12:20 AM   #87 
     - I guess your myopathy is only limited to Pit Bulls, huh?  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:40 AM   #108 
     - Sure. doncha know, wolf hyrbrids are a WiseChoie of Pet, much more so than  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 12:46 AM   #113 
     - Thank you for your applause, I do try to be an excellent, careful owner for  Better Today   Nov-30-09 12:51 AM   #116 
        - You're very wise to group the big animal with more family friendly dogs.  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 01:11 AM   #125 
  - all the pit bulls I've ever known have been overly-loving  Skittles   Nov-30-09 12:05 AM   #76 
  - K&R. Here's an interesting site for the terminally frightened.  Greyhound   Nov-30-09 12:23 AM   #91 
  - And another..., and another.  uppityperson   Nov-30-09 12:26 AM   #97 
  - Picture > 1000 words  travelingtypist   Nov-30-09 12:42 AM   #110 
  - +1000  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:58 AM   #119 
  - They sure are: (warning- very graphic)  depakid   Nov-30-09 01:59 AM   #140 
     - That post should be required viewing for pit bull advocates.  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 02:12 AM   #142 
     - I've seen even worse ones than that...  depakid   Nov-30-09 02:19 AM   #147 
     - Again, no proof of the breed.  JoeyT   Nov-30-09 06:34 AM   #161 
     - Any large dog is capable of doing the same type of damage.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 08:53 AM   #179 
  - All I can tell you is that I have the most adorable, 8# Shitzu  OffWithTheirHeads   Nov-30-09 01:02 AM   #121 
  - Great post. Kick and Rec.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-30-09 01:32 AM   #133 
  - You gotta love the story upthread re: Dad who used his gun on the pit bull that killed his baby  depakid   Nov-30-09 01:51 AM   #137 
     - Seriously go see a doctor.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-30-09 02:16 AM   #144 
  - Can we ban Jack Russels?  Prophet 451   Nov-30-09 01:55 AM   #138 
  - Right on  jasperilla   Nov-30-09 01:57 AM   #139 
  - You know what causes MOST dogs to attack most of the time?  Jamastiene   Nov-30-09 02:38 AM   #149 
  - Yes - a natural propensity to attack, bad owners, and the opportunity to attack.  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 03:34 AM   #152 
  - And every dog has a "natural propensity to attack"  baldguy   Nov-30-09 09:31 AM   #189 
  - this darned 18-month old little girl should have known better  DrDan   Nov-30-09 07:53 AM   #168 
  - Oooo, you should totally spam this thread with that link!! That would be cool.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 07:58 AM   #169 
  - just want to make sure EVERYONE knows what happened to this little girl  DrDan   Nov-30-09 07:59 AM   #172 
  - The breed makes no difference.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 09:55 AM   #197 
  - sure it does - if not, why are the majority of these attacks attributable to pit bulls  DrDan   Nov-30-09 11:25 AM   #222 
     - If the animal has four legs and a tail, the media attributes it to a pit bull.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:05 PM   #226 
        - isn't that just a little bit of a stretch . . .  DrDan   Nov-30-09 01:35 PM   #259 
           - Not really. How many "news" reports do you see about all those 90-lb Pit Bulls running around?  baldguy   Nov-30-09 02:07 PM   #275 
           - I honestly cannot remember any that described a breed and it's weight  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:11 PM   #280 
           - No. Not a stretch.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 02:10 PM   #279 
              - read the subject line - "if an animal has four legs and a tail" - the media attributes it to a  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:21 PM   #288 
                 - Just as coloring every "Pit Bull type" dog a man-eating monster is.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 03:14 PM   #318 
                    - you are starting to lose it my friend  DrDan   Nov-30-09 03:17 PM   #322 
                       - You don't like one generalization, but you're perfectly happy promoting another.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 03:51 PM   #334 
  - It's the parents' responsibility to watch their kids until the kids  Jamastiene   Nov-30-09 01:20 PM   #249 
     - The constant propogation of media hype, irrational fear and the need to make a "boogie man"  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 01:23 PM   #251 
     - When I was grooming dogs, it was the cocker spaniels who went nuts  Jamastiene   Nov-30-09 01:43 PM   #265 
     - oops - dupe  DrDan   Nov-30-09 01:30 PM   #254 
     - yep - as I said - that 18-month old should have known better  DrDan   Nov-30-09 01:30 PM   #255 
        - No dog should be left unattended with a toddler or an infant. Ever. No exceptions.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 01:41 PM   #261 
           - why do you assume I do not understand that  DrDan   Nov-30-09 01:42 PM   #263 
           - oh yeah - there was this mentioned from the article  DrDan   Nov-30-09 01:44 PM   #267 
              - I keep bringing it up because you obviously don't understand it.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 02:10 PM   #277 
                 - well - I have never seen a dog leashed inside a house  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:12 PM   #282 
                    - No. You're 100% wrong Training and proper supervision.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 02:13 PM   #284 
                       - and you know of course that this dog was improperly trained  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:23 PM   #289 
                          - Umm... anyone with an IQ larger than the temperature in Wisconsin today can deduct that.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 02:28 PM   #292 
                             - please tell me what you see in the article that I am missing that  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:39 PM   #297 
                                - It would not have happened if the child was properly supervised and the dog properly trained.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 02:40 PM   #298 
                                   - please tell me EXACTLY how this dog was improperly trained or improperly supervised  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:43 PM   #299 
                                      - It would not have happened if the child was properly supervised and the dog properly trained.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 02:43 PM   #300 
                                         - exactly as I thought . . . there is NOTHING pointing to improper traininig or supervision  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:45 PM   #302 
                                            - The dog was "the baby" of the house.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 04:49 PM   #360 
  - I agree I was at the dog park and this mom let her little brat kick dogs!  EndersDame   Nov-30-09 09:04 AM   #183 
  - That kid is cruising for a serious bruising.  Jamastiene   Nov-30-09 01:23 PM   #250 
  - Sometimes it's the kids' fault, sometimes the dog just gets worked up  TwilightGardener   Nov-30-09 09:20 AM   #187 
     - Please call Animal Control and report the dog.  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 09:44 AM   #191 
     - Well, got a call back, she says the dog was vaccinated  TwilightGardener   Nov-30-09 01:13 PM   #248 
     - Owner's responsability. They should have the vacc tag on the dog & proof of vacc readily available.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 10:00 AM   #199 
  - I am quite nervous about pit bulls  Chemisse   Nov-30-09 05:58 AM   #155 
  - +1000  baldguy   Nov-30-09 09:23 AM   #188 
     - It seems most of the pit bull stories you hear  Chemisse   Nov-30-09 04:50 PM   #362 
  - Some of the owners of such dogs have them as an aesthetic extension of their macho assholery  Echo In Light   Nov-30-09 06:12 AM   #157 
  - True. And that applies to women, as well as men, owners.  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 01:32 PM   #256 
  - We need to NOT use emotion to influence public policy  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 06:26 AM   #159 
  - Quiet, You!  BakedAtAMileHigh   Nov-30-09 08:36 AM   #178 
  - yeah - no ticking time bomb here - great family dogs - "signal like other dogs"  DrDan   Nov-30-09 07:30 AM   #163 
  - The breed makes no difference.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 10:03 AM   #200 
     - of course it does - and the public is becoming more aware with each vicious attack  DrDan   Nov-30-09 11:26 AM   #224 
        - Unbiased studies prove otherwise.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:19 PM   #230 
           - go tell it to this 18-month old  DrDan   Nov-30-09 12:27 PM   #235 
  - I don't believe that at all.  LWolf   Nov-30-09 08:04 AM   #173 
  - The owner needs to control the dog.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 10:05 AM   #202 
     - That would be nice.  LWolf   Dec-02-09 07:05 AM   #417 
  - I will say it most pit bulls I know are friendly than most small dogs  EndersDame   Nov-30-09 09:15 AM   #184 
  - Small dogs can be dangerous to larger dogs too.  Jamastiene   Nov-30-09 02:59 PM   #309 
  - Man effed up the canine gene pool...  Dappleganger   Nov-30-09 09:19 AM   #186 
  - Also unfortunately, bad upbringing can subvert the breeding of ANY dog.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 10:08 AM   #203 
  - That is my only concern with any dog  Blasphemer   Nov-30-09 10:18 AM   #207 
  - If they only attacked their owner....  cark   Nov-30-09 09:42 AM   #190 
  - Don't forget that some of the strongest "advocates" are often puppy mill breeders.  TexasObserver   Nov-30-09 09:57 AM   #198 
  - It's a fashion among SOME to have a badass dog.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 10:17 AM   #205 
  - Worthless Breeds  cark   Nov-30-09 01:48 PM   #269 
     - Damn those worthless dogs!  baldguy   Nov-30-09 02:49 PM   #303 
     - You say that like you think a golden retriever would never attack anyone.  Jamastiene   Nov-30-09 03:05 PM   #312 
  - Sometimes they get their owner too.  Hassin Bin Sober   Nov-30-09 10:18 AM   #206 
     - hmm "freeperish denial", "assholes"?  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 10:21 AM   #208 
     - The breed makes no difference.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 10:24 AM   #209 
        - Now show me some stories of those breeds taking down and killing an adult. That's my point.  Hassin Bin Sober   Nov-30-09 10:51 AM   #215 
           - Yeah, keep using the media stories of sensationalism to hype up the irrational fear.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 10:54 AM   #216 
           - That's such a crock of shit. I'm talking about fatalities of, specifically, adults.  Hassin Bin Sober   Nov-30-09 11:05 AM   #218 
              - Um... no, it's a fact.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 11:08 AM   #219 
                 - Then you should be able to produce SEVERAL links to stories about ..  Hassin Bin Sober   Nov-30-09 11:18 AM   #220 
                    - Shut up??  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 12:15 PM   #229 
                       - Basically- yeah- you're promoting dangerous and sometimes deadlyy brhavior  depakid   Nov-30-09 12:46 PM   #240 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-09 12:48 PM   #241 
                             - What? It's *almost* noon on the West Coast.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:56 PM   #243 
                             - I don't feel the need to insult folks- just counteract those advocating dangerous practices  depakid   Nov-30-09 01:06 PM   #246 
                                - Yes, you've been a real peach.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 01:09 PM   #247 
           - Uninformed media hype  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:07 PM   #227 
              - I don't get this place. Collectively DU doesn't trust the media, but on this topic they choose to  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 12:21 PM   #231 
              - Because you don't understand- and refuse to accept how the media works  depakid   Nov-30-09 01:33 PM   #257 
                 - You keep pointing to individual stories. That's not statistical data.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 02:00 PM   #272 
              - LOL. I wonder how much more of my time I should waste on your bullshit links.  Hassin Bin Sober   Nov-30-09 12:23 PM   #233 
                 - They're the same kind of media reports as those refering to "Pit Bulls"  baldguy   Nov-30-09 12:46 PM   #239 
                    - You are not making any sense at this point.  Hassin Bin Sober   Nov-30-09 12:57 PM   #244 
                       - If you deny the plain evidence laid in front of you, you're hopeless.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 02:52 PM   #305 
                          - LOL. We agree on that.  Hassin Bin Sober   Nov-30-09 06:53 PM   #388 
  - 1 out of every 3 dogs in the shelter I volunteer in is a Pit Bull  meow2u3   Nov-30-09 09:53 AM   #196 
  - one more case of these playful little guys and their high-energy fun  DrDan   Nov-30-09 01:34 PM   #258 
     - Yep, its tragic when dog owners don't supervise their dog properly.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 02:55 PM   #307 
        - the dog was raised from birth - slept with the owner  DrDan   Nov-30-09 03:07 PM   #313 
           - Treated like a baby - and got jealous when a new baby showed up.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 03:58 PM   #337 
              - the new baby was 18 months old  DrDan   Nov-30-09 04:14 PM   #345 
                 - You think any dog should just "know" not to defend its position in the pack  baldguy   Nov-30-09 07:04 PM   #391 
  - I think they're beautiful dogs  Bryn   Nov-30-09 10:09 AM   #204 
  - All someone has to do is volunteer in an animal shelter, if they really want to be informed.  BeachBaby   Nov-30-09 11:22 AM   #221 
  - tell this 18-month old about their beauty  DrDan   Nov-30-09 01:41 PM   #262 
     - Why don't you tell my younger sister  TZ   Nov-30-09 02:10 PM   #278 
     - of course they can . . . and I surely feel sorry for your younger sister  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:17 PM   #286 
     - You should post that as a reply to EVERY comment on this thread.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 02:12 PM   #281 
     - why are you trying to make this personal????????????????  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:25 PM   #291 
        - Why do you feel it necessary to propogate irrational fear?????????????  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 02:30 PM   #293 
           - I think all of denial I see in this thread is creepy  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:36 PM   #295 
              - You're fear-mongering.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 02:39 PM   #296 
                 - and I see the denial as irrational and illogical . . . .and creepy  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:44 PM   #301 
                    - To believe one breed of dog possesses all of the negative traits associated with the species  baldguy   Nov-30-09 04:09 PM   #342 
                       - you are now starting to make up stuff  DrDan   Nov-30-09 04:15 PM   #347 
                          - Are you kidding? That's the ENTIRE idea that Pit Bull bans are based upon.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 05:58 PM   #373 
                             - your denial of facts is so obvious - like the RWers, you will continue to  DrDan   Nov-30-09 06:08 PM   #374 
                                - Facts.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 06:12 PM   #377 
                                - The facts don't support BSL laws.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 06:25 PM   #379 
                                   - your analogy is ludicrous  DrDan   Dec-01-09 07:51 AM   #414 
     - The page was unavailable. Is it safe to assume it was pics of a PB attack on a baby?  BeachBaby   Nov-30-09 03:35 PM   #327 
        - I never said that - why make up crap  DrDan   Nov-30-09 03:41 PM   #329 
           - Really? REALLY???? Do you really want to go there?  BeachBaby   Nov-30-09 03:48 PM   #332 
              - show me where I said to ban all dogs  DrDan   Nov-30-09 03:50 PM   #333 
                 - Look at your last post. You said that pit bulls have earned their reputation  BeachBaby   Nov-30-09 03:55 PM   #336 
                    - yes they have - now show me where I said to ban all dogs  DrDan   Nov-30-09 04:13 PM   #344 
                       - Uh - who accused you of saying that?  BeachBaby   Nov-30-09 04:20 PM   #349 
                          - you  DrDan   Nov-30-09 04:23 PM   #351 
                          - I guess you don't understand the expression "by your metric".  BeachBaby   Nov-30-09 04:26 PM   #353 
                             - I certainly do - and speaking of backpedalling - I guess we are seeing a bit of it now  DrDan   Nov-30-09 04:30 PM   #355 
                                - Get back to me after you've learned some reading comprehension skills. Kthxbai.  BeachBaby   Nov-30-09 04:35 PM   #357 
                          - did I ever say get rid of all dogs?  DrDan   Nov-30-09 04:25 PM   #352 
                             - You want to get rid of one race of dogs - the Pit Bull  baldguy   Nov-30-09 05:36 PM   #369 
  - I had two pitbulls and they were the best dogs ever. Very protective.  bamacrat   Nov-30-09 01:29 PM   #253 
  - yep - here is proof of their gentle temperamant  DrDan   Nov-30-09 01:39 PM   #260 
     - Is that the 3rd or 4th time you've posted that link?  ceile   Nov-30-09 01:42 PM   #264 
     - I think EVERYONE should be aware of the vicious attack on this 18-month old  DrDan   Nov-30-09 01:46 PM   #268 
        - I think everyone should be aware of the family poodle  TZ   Nov-30-09 02:12 PM   #283 
        - oh really - so all dogs have the same strength as a pit bull  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:13 PM   #285 
           - It's not only about strength. n/t  Jamastiene   Nov-30-09 02:54 PM   #306 
              - of course it is not ONLY strength  DrDan   Nov-30-09 03:03 PM   #311 
                 - Bullshit.  Jamastiene   Nov-30-09 03:10 PM   #314 
                    - so - these dogs are not stronger than most other breeds?  DrDan   Nov-30-09 03:15 PM   #320 
                       - This is Wendy.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 05:11 PM   #364 
                       - There are a TON of breeds stronger than any pit.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 05:18 PM   #366 
                       - Dude, seriously, have you ever SEEN a Mastiff?  lukasahero   Nov-30-09 07:00 PM   #389 
                          - A mastiff? Isn't that some sort of big rock or something?  baldguy   Nov-30-09 07:41 PM   #395 
                          - I have  DrDan   Dec-01-09 04:56 AM   #402 
                             - Every one of those assertions is false. THEY ARE LIES.  baldguy   Dec-01-09 07:26 AM   #410 
                             - He quoted a 13 year old article  PeaceNikki   Dec-01-09 07:30 AM   #411 
                             - HA!! HA!! HA!! Keep exploring that site and you will see that WHOLE article refuted with facts  PeaceNikki   Dec-01-09 07:33 AM   #412 
                                - Nice find  lukasahero   Dec-01-09 08:54 AM   #415 
        - And everyone should be aware that its the worst kind of disingenuousness  baldguy   Nov-30-09 02:58 PM   #308 
           - WHAT?????  DrDan   Nov-30-09 03:12 PM   #316 
              - It's simply ghoulish to post it repeatedly.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 04:21 PM   #350 
                 - yeah - that little girl did not really get bitten  DrDan   Nov-30-09 04:28 PM   #354 
                    - Nobody ever said that pit bulls are not capable of violence.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 04:33 PM   #356 
                       - your continued claim of "fear mongering" is really quite funny  DrDan   Nov-30-09 04:39 PM   #358 
                          - A single event is not scientific proof that they are "vicious animals".  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 04:40 PM   #359 
                             - nor will all the anecdotal evidence attempting to "prove" how harmless these  DrDan   Nov-30-09 06:11 PM   #376 
                                - Facts about BSL  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 06:13 PM   #378 
     - How about cats, they kill babies too.  bamacrat   Nov-30-09 02:18 PM   #287 
        - banning this breed is not wrong - imo  DrDan   Nov-30-09 02:24 PM   #290 
        - Opinions are like assholes.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 02:32 PM   #294 
           - Only if one doesn't like them  depakid   Nov-30-09 02:51 PM   #304 
              - Yes, the world will be filled with rainbows and unicorns and lillipops.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 03:12 PM   #315 
              - One thing it won't be in Australia- is full of pitbulls  depakid   Nov-30-09 03:37 PM   #328 
                 - Point me to a single study that shows BSL is effective.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 03:53 PM   #335 
                    - You remind me of people who refuse to solve all sorts of problems  depakid   Nov-30-09 04:50 PM   #361 
                       - Seriously, point me to any study that shows BSL is effective.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 04:52 PM   #363 
                       - Here are some studies on BSL  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 05:42 PM   #370 
              - Also. Point me to a single study that shows BSL is effective.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 03:15 PM   #319 
              - Dude. They've banned Pit Bulls  TZ   Nov-30-09 03:16 PM   #321 
                 - Eventually, as policies are adopted uniformly, enforced and awareness is increased  depakid   Nov-30-09 03:28 PM   #325 
                    - The bans in Australia began in 1995. They have proven ineffective.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 06:33 PM   #380 
                       - You'll just pull anything out of your ass, won't you?  depakid   Nov-30-09 06:37 PM   #381 
                          - Point me to a single study that shows BSL is effective. G'head.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 06:41 PM   #382 
                          - No, it's called compiling relevant documents and *READING*.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 06:44 PM   #384 
                             - It's called confirmation bias and an inability to think objectively  depakid   Nov-30-09 06:49 PM   #387 
                                - So, the SPCA, Michigan State University, the ABA, the National Canine Research Council,  baldguy   Nov-30-09 07:36 PM   #394 
        - Cats kill babies?  TwilightGardener   Nov-30-09 03:17 PM   #323 
           - Yeah if they sleep in the crib with them sometimes they will lay on the babies face....  bamacrat   Dec-01-09 01:46 AM   #399 
              - Old wives' tale.  TwilightGardener   Dec-01-09 07:37 AM   #413 
  - I wonder if a Toy Fox Terrier has ever killed anyone?  Vickers   Nov-30-09 02:07 PM   #276 
  - Again, it's tragic - and thankfully rare - but it does happen.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 03:30 PM   #326 
     - Not a Jack Russell, a Toy Fox Terrier.  Vickers   Nov-30-09 03:45 PM   #330 
        - My mothers 9-lb Silky attacked & killed a 15-lb cat  baldguy   Nov-30-09 04:15 PM   #346 
  - This sounds like any pro hand gun post  Johonny   Nov-30-09 03:00 PM   #310 
  - Yorkies are "safe" - *IF* properly trained.  baldguy   Nov-30-09 04:02 PM   #338 
  - I've had a Pomeranian attack me once  MrScorpio   Nov-30-09 03:46 PM   #331 
  - This thread gets more and more entertaining.  flvegan   Nov-30-09 04:03 PM   #339 
  - Epic, even.  BeachBaby   Nov-30-09 04:13 PM   #343 
  - Yeap.  janx   Nov-30-09 04:17 PM   #348 
  - I can't believe it's still going on!  dana_b   Nov-30-09 05:28 PM   #368 
  - My neighbor has the sweetest pitbull.  AllieB   Nov-30-09 05:18 PM   #367 
  - My Am Staff is also afraid of loud noises and my 2 cats.  PeaceNikki   Nov-30-09 06:09 PM   #375 
     - My next door neighbor had one of those...  janx   Nov-30-09 06:43 PM   #383 
  - This is what I do to Pit bulls.  roody   Nov-30-09 10:01 PM   #398 
  - Yes  yellowwood   Dec-01-09 05:56 AM   #403 
  - Pit bulls are used as psychiatric service dogs to assist severe depressives.  DailyGrind51   Dec-01-09 06:18 AM   #406 
  - Fear-driven bans are always a bad idea.  chrisa   Dec-01-09 06:48 AM   #408 
 

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