bread_and_roses
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Sun Nov-29-09 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #20 |
| 21. Look, I realize you are sincere, mean well, and I shouldn't have been dismissive |
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But seriously, there is nothing at all new about what you are saying - and btw, I've been working in those very local and state elections for long years, doing just what you say, and so have many others. I used to have a Red/Blue of the '04 election results saved - it was astonishing how much area that used to be solid Red was a Bluish Purple. Those long years of work achieving that by little nobodies like me on the ground were part of what gained us the Presidency and Congressional majorities, I would guess. So, how's that working out?
My point is simply that what you're giving us as a solution has been underway for years. As for its effectiveness in challenging real power, I point you to Lieberman/Lamont.
I don't have an answer, but I am not insane, and can see that the same old, same old won't get us anywhere. Whatever the "answer" is, if there is one, I do not think it lies in electoral politics. I seriously doubt we have time anymore for it, even if it did.
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| -You're Not Going To Like This, But Listen Anyways. Update X1 |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 07:54 AM |
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A big +1 |
Kingofalldems |
Nov-29-09 07:55 AM |
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I've no intention of staying home |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-29-09 07:58 AM |
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I voted for Connie Morella once--and she proceded to vote for Newty |
Kingofalldems |
Nov-29-09 08:03 AM |
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I refused to vote for Dianne Feinstein |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-29-09 08:09 AM |
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There are several places where |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 08:07 AM |
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More progressive candidates HAVE come forward |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-29-09 08:19 AM |
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I understand your point. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 08:39 AM |
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I think we both agree on the principle, it's the method |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-29-09 09:08 AM |
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Oh, I also mean work up from mayor or whatever too. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 09:15 AM |
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Just a question |
madokie |
Nov-29-09 08:09 AM |
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Not so far. |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-29-09 08:23 AM |
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+1 |
TheCowsCameHome |
Nov-29-09 08:37 AM |
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We mustn't forget who we are fighting for (and against). |
yellerpup |
Nov-29-09 08:07 AM |
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If only voting for Democrats constituted "pushing back" I'd be happier. |
Laelth |
Nov-29-09 08:07 AM |
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See post #5. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 08:09 AM |
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I'm not staying home but there's no way I can.. |
vi5 |
Nov-29-09 08:14 AM |
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I think it will come down to the Indies . . . lose them - or they stay home |
DrDan |
Nov-29-09 08:19 AM |
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In the first place, it has been two elections, so that is three years now that |
Greyhound |
Nov-29-09 08:28 AM |
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See post #17. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 08:42 AM |
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The machine is just so integrated from city level on up. Look at the progressive |
Greyhound |
Nov-30-09 12:51 AM |
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I'm don't think I'll stay home, but |
TheCowsCameHome |
Nov-29-09 08:28 AM |
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This is what "we've" been saying forever - and how's that working out? |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-29-09 08:50 AM |
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See post #17. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 08:54 AM |
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Look, I realize you are sincere, mean well, and I shouldn't have been dismissive |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-29-09 09:06 AM |
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When you point to an example like Lieberman/Lamont |
HughMoran |
Nov-29-09 09:21 AM |
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Oh, ROFL, I should be worried about "mercy" from you? |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-29-09 10:54 AM |
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Laugh all you want |
HughMoran |
Nov-29-09 10:59 AM |
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So you're saying we should show "loyalty" to a party that can't be bothered to show any |
Raineyb |
Nov-29-09 11:58 AM |
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I didn't think you were dismissive at all. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 09:38 AM |
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The people on here I'm not worried about |
AllentownJake |
Nov-29-09 09:13 AM |
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Momentum comes from a continued effort. |
HughMoran |
Nov-29-09 09:14 AM |
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When African-Americans and Ted Kennedy supporters stayed home, we got Reagan! |
DailyGrind51 |
Nov-29-09 09:23 AM |
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Then the Democrats had damned well better start |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-29-09 09:26 AM |
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+1 |
Individualist |
Nov-29-09 10:18 AM |
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I understand the reasons the author has put forth, |
Hatchling |
Nov-29-09 09:26 AM |
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Right now with the complete instability |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 09:44 AM |
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Alright, I'll give you 2010. |
Hatchling |
Nov-29-09 09:50 AM |
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Don't wait for 2012. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 09:58 AM |
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I have no intention of staying home |
tabbycat31 |
Nov-29-09 09:41 AM |
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I agree but I'm not going to vote for a DINO anymore because they |
mmonk |
Nov-29-09 09:44 AM |
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What leverage do we have as voters, then? |
spoony |
Nov-29-09 09:46 AM |
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Then don't support them. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 09:50 AM |
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One problem with your political strategy: |
bvar22 |
Nov-29-09 10:21 AM |
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How will they earn your vote before 2010? |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-29-09 02:24 PM |
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NO ! Earn my vote now ! Or face 2010 alone Democratic Party |
Techn0Girl |
Nov-29-09 03:48 PM |
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i've lived most of my adult life under neocon rule, from raygun to present day... |
dysfunctional press |
Nov-29-09 03:56 PM |
#45 |