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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-29-09 09:06 AM
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21. Look, I realize you are sincere, mean well, and I shouldn't have been dismissive
But seriously, there is nothing at all new about what you are saying - and btw, I've been working in those very local and state elections for long years, doing just what you say, and so have many others. I used to have a Red/Blue of the '04 election results saved - it was astonishing how much area that used to be solid Red was a Bluish Purple. Those long years of work achieving that by little nobodies like me on the ground were part of what gained us the Presidency and Congressional majorities, I would guess. So, how's that working out?

My point is simply that what you're giving us as a solution has been underway for years. As for its effectiveness in challenging real power, I point you to Lieberman/Lamont.

I don't have an answer, but I am not insane, and can see that the same old, same old won't get us anywhere. Whatever the "answer" is, if there is one, I do not think it lies in electoral politics. I seriously doubt we have time anymore for it, even if it did.
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  - A big +1  Kingofalldems   Nov-29-09 07:55 AM   #1 
  - I've no intention of staying home  Le Taz Hot   Nov-29-09 07:58 AM   #2 
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  - There are several places where  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-29-09 08:07 AM   #5 
  - More progressive candidates HAVE come forward  Le Taz Hot   Nov-29-09 08:19 AM   #12 
     - I understand your point.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-29-09 08:39 AM   #17 
        - I think we both agree on the principle, it's the method  Le Taz Hot   Nov-29-09 09:08 AM   #22 
           - Oh, I also mean work up from mayor or whatever too.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-29-09 09:15 AM   #25 
  - Just a question  madokie   Nov-29-09 08:09 AM   #9 
  - Not so far.  Le Taz Hot   Nov-29-09 08:23 AM   #13 
  - +1  TheCowsCameHome   Nov-29-09 08:37 AM   #16 
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  - If only voting for Democrats constituted "pushing back" I'd be happier.  Laelth   Nov-29-09 08:07 AM   #6 
  - See post #5.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-29-09 08:09 AM   #8 
  - I'm not staying home but there's no way I can..  vi5   Nov-29-09 08:14 AM   #10 
  - I think it will come down to the Indies . . . lose them - or they stay home  DrDan   Nov-29-09 08:19 AM   #11 
  - In the first place, it has been two elections, so that is three years now that  Greyhound   Nov-29-09 08:28 AM   #14 
  - See post #17.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-29-09 08:42 AM   #18 
     - The machine is just so integrated from city level on up. Look at the progressive  Greyhound   Nov-30-09 12:51 AM   #46 
  - I'm don't think I'll stay home, but  TheCowsCameHome   Nov-29-09 08:28 AM   #15 
  - This is what "we've" been saying forever - and how's that working out?  bread_and_roses   Nov-29-09 08:50 AM   #19 
  - See post #17.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-29-09 08:54 AM   #20 
     - Look, I realize you are sincere, mean well, and I shouldn't have been dismissive  bread_and_roses   Nov-29-09 09:06 AM   #21 
        - When you point to an example like Lieberman/Lamont  HughMoran   Nov-29-09 09:21 AM   #26 
        - Oh, ROFL, I should be worried about "mercy" from you?  bread_and_roses   Nov-29-09 10:54 AM   #40 
        - Laugh all you want  HughMoran   Nov-29-09 10:59 AM   #41 
        - So you're saying we should show "loyalty" to a party that can't be bothered to show any  Raineyb   Nov-29-09 11:58 AM   #42 
        - I didn't think you were dismissive at all.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-29-09 09:38 AM   #30 
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  - Momentum comes from a continued effort.  HughMoran   Nov-29-09 09:14 AM   #24 
  - When African-Americans and Ted Kennedy supporters stayed home, we got Reagan!  DailyGrind51   Nov-29-09 09:23 AM   #27 
  - Then the Democrats had damned well better start  Le Taz Hot   Nov-29-09 09:26 AM   #28 
     - +1  Individualist   Nov-29-09 10:18 AM   #38 
  - I understand the reasons the author has put forth,  Hatchling   Nov-29-09 09:26 AM   #29 
  - Right now with the complete instability  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-29-09 09:44 AM   #33 
     - Alright, I'll give you 2010.  Hatchling   Nov-29-09 09:50 AM   #35 
        - Don't wait for 2012.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-29-09 09:58 AM   #37 
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