Reply #17: I understand your point.

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I won't give a dime to any national or state organization. They funnel it to who knows where and to lord knows who.

I think that supporting those groups has been the problem. I think a lot of people have watched and assumed something I quit assuming when I was potty trained. They assume that those groups back people who are Dems who are looking out for our interests.

It is time for every state to get very serious about mobilizing on the state level on down. If we moblilize from the bottom up, we will have decent candidates who can compete. Form groups and push back hard against the DNCYAs. Anybody who they support who doesn't stand with progressives, primary them. That has to be done differently from the Rethugs.

They support candidates who have 'Here be dragons" on their maps. I believe that the DNCYAs have moved so far right in a lot of cases, that there are good candidates that would appeal to people without hanging off the left edge of the Earth.

We took back the Congress from the Rethugs. Now we may have to beat them down again in 2010 with bitter votes. Then we need to prepare for 2012, and take back the Democratic Party.

If I thought there was time left to move in 2010, I would say go. I would use this time to prepare for 2012. The internet has proven that you can raise money on a large scale. Good candidates who know they will have support and money won't shy away. Just be ready to take incoming from everywhere.

If the progressives are in the game in the states, they will be in the game in the Presidential elections.:hi: