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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:59 PM
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63. Are they comparing test scores within a particular school
or comparing apples (a school in Bed-Stuy) to oranges (one on the Upper East Side)?
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  -NYC teachers...start praying now to get good students who test well. madfloridian  Nov-28-09 10:52 PM   #0 
  - Bloomberg is a rich bonehead. He's there because of his money  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-28-09 10:55 PM   #1 
  - Another great outrage  Libertas1776   Nov-28-09 10:56 PM   #2 
  - He has in effect hijacked the school system.  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 11:12 AM   #18 
  - Let Me Be Blunt  Dinger   Nov-28-09 10:57 PM   #3 
  - They seem to be supporting it.  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 01:41 AM   #17 
  - Using standardized testing to evaluate teachers is a disaster  bluestateguy   Nov-28-09 11:01 PM   #4 
  - Teaching to the test is common. I'm a substitute in a suburban  LibDemAlways   Nov-28-09 11:10 PM   #9 
     - It's not deep integral learning that becomes part of a student's mind  madfloridian   Nov-28-09 11:59 PM   #15 
     - She's an expert in regurgitating facts and filling in boxes. It's all that the system requires.  Fumesucker   Nov-29-09 02:56 PM   #29 
  - Question  malletgirl02   Nov-28-09 11:03 PM   #5 
  - They don't intend to balance it.  madfloridian   Nov-28-09 11:06 PM   #6 
  - Link  malletgirl02   Nov-28-09 11:29 PM   #13 
  - I read that in the NYTimes today  shellgame26   Nov-30-09 09:36 PM   #66 
  - New York City has specialized public schools  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-29-09 02:37 PM   #27 
  - I have a fascist fucking mayor  FarLeftFist   Nov-28-09 11:08 PM   #7 
  - This hands children a lot of political power  Ellen Forradalom   Nov-28-09 11:09 PM   #8 
  - Yes, it does give students power.  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 12:47 AM   #16 
  - i am thankful every day that we chose not to have kids.  dysfunctional press   Nov-28-09 11:15 PM   #10 
  - I'm glad I'm old now and not young now.  Hardrada   Nov-28-09 11:17 PM   #11 
     - i wouldn't mind being just a little younger...  dysfunctional press   Nov-29-09 12:23 PM   #20 
        - Maybe not that much younger...  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 12:46 PM   #21 
  - You can't evaluate heart surgeons on any lone criteria you desire; especially patient survival rates  bridgit   Nov-28-09 11:28 PM   #12 
  - Good post.  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 12:00 PM   #19 
  - Bloomberg making many "agressive moves" with Joe Klein...  madfloridian   Nov-28-09 11:35 PM   #14 
  - When did it happen that there is little outrage about union busting...  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 12:51 PM   #22 
  - I think the continuous  LWolf   Nov-29-09 12:53 PM   #23 
  - Yes, you are right. The propaganda worked so well against public schools.  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 02:02 PM   #24 
  - Yes.  LWolf   Nov-29-09 06:23 PM   #33 
  - Not only public schools  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-29-09 09:18 PM   #45 
  - agreed n/t  teacher gal   Nov-29-09 06:05 PM   #31 
  - The problem is the unions are becoming completely ineffective in dealing  tonysam   Nov-29-09 02:11 PM   #25 
     - Well, it's a good thing then there won't be any soon.  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 02:27 PM   #26 
        - Unfortunately, they are about worthless now. Case in point: D.C. schools  tonysam   Nov-29-09 06:35 PM   #35 
           - Yep, get rid of public schools and unions.  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 06:37 PM   #36 
              - I know it is. I am just stating reality  tonysam   Nov-29-09 06:38 PM   #37 
                 - Teacher unions are a different argument.  Jakes Progress   Nov-30-09 09:53 AM   #48 
  - Ridiculous idea. That forces teachers to teach only for the test.  mamaleah   Nov-29-09 02:49 PM   #28 
  - It almost guarantees dumbing down of students.  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 04:38 PM   #30 
  - What about the Art teacher or the Gym teacher or the counselor?  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-29-09 06:11 PM   #32 
  - There aren't any of them anymore n/t  MountainLaurel   Nov-29-09 06:28 PM   #34 
  - From NY Teachers.net chatboard  tonysam   Nov-29-09 06:43 PM   #38 
  - Thanks for sharing that...teachers are catching on.  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 08:52 PM   #43 
  - Two words for anyone who thinks test scores make a good performance indicator: 'bell curve'  Spider Jerusalem   Nov-29-09 06:49 PM   #39 
  - Yep. And the CRTs are no better indicator  tonysam   Nov-29-09 06:50 PM   #40 
  - Then teachers need far more leeway in terms of discipline and other matters.  Deja Q   Nov-29-09 07:04 PM   #41 
  - +1,000  tonysam   Nov-29-09 07:06 PM   #42 
  - Discipline? In NYC? AS IF the kids don't intimidate the staff!  WinkyDink   Nov-30-09 02:41 PM   #59 
  - In their situation, I would simply teach the test. If that's what mayor fucko wants, give him it.  JVS   Nov-29-09 09:00 PM   #44 
  - Arne Duncan stood next to Bloomberg during the announcement.  madfloridian   Nov-29-09 11:40 PM   #46 
  - Charter schools cherry pick students who make good grades.  McCamy Taylor   Nov-30-09 07:26 AM   #47 
  - Okay. So can I write a test to measure public office holders?  Jakes Progress   Nov-30-09 09:54 AM   #49 
  - So how do you propose measuring teachers, then?  deadmessengers   Nov-30-09 10:25 AM   #50 
  - Teachers are constantly assessed by many means.  madfloridian   Nov-30-09 11:03 AM   #52 
  - I teach a course to take a test.  Turbineguy   Nov-30-09 10:25 AM   #51 
  - For weeks the teachers here "teach to the test".  madfloridian   Nov-30-09 11:06 AM   #54 
  - Incentive to cheat.  rucky   Nov-30-09 11:05 AM   #53 
  - It appears, tragically,  xxqqqzme   Nov-30-09 01:01 PM   #55 
  - So, I ask:  gorfle   Nov-30-09 01:05 PM   #56 
  - You certainly don't get what I am saying.  madfloridian   Nov-30-09 01:24 PM   #57 
  - That's fine.  gorfle   Nov-30-09 04:22 PM   #60 
     - Teachers are ALREADY assessed, all the time, thoroughly  madfloridian   Nov-30-09 04:39 PM   #61 
        - But it's subjective assessment.  gorfle   Nov-30-09 04:47 PM   #62 
           - If you think one test can do all that....then I have swampland to sell you.  madfloridian   Nov-30-09 05:05 PM   #64 
           - And therin is the problem.  gorfle   Nov-30-09 11:26 PM   #69 
              - You don't judge children on just one test. It is unconscionable.  madfloridian   Nov-30-09 11:30 PM   #70 
                 - On one test.  gorfle   Dec-01-09 08:28 AM   #76 
                    - Then why have grades? Waste of time to give grades on report cards.  madfloridian   Dec-02-09 10:44 PM   #88 
           - You can't DO it because public schools are political institutions first and foremost  tonysam   Nov-30-09 11:40 PM   #74 
  - I don't think you understand what's going on in the public schools  shellgame26   Nov-30-09 09:49 PM   #67 
  - What's wrong with test prep????  gorfle   Nov-30-09 11:34 PM   #72 
     - Uh, no. Teachers aren't against assessments; they assess all the time.  tonysam   Nov-30-09 11:37 PM   #73 
     - Hah!  gorfle   Dec-01-09 09:06 AM   #78 
     - I think you need to consider  shellgame26   Dec-01-09 04:33 AM   #75 
     - So again...  gorfle   Dec-01-09 09:21 AM   #79 
        - and again  shellgame26   Dec-01-09 09:58 PM   #80 
        - Then change the test.  gorfle   Dec-02-09 09:59 AM   #84 
           - Why are there few famous Brazilian physicists?  ieoeja   Dec-02-09 02:56 PM   #86 
           - On Brazilian scientists and false dichotomies.  gorfle   Dec-03-09 10:58 AM   #90 
              - Brazilian vs American  ieoeja   Dec-03-09 12:52 PM   #93 
                 - Having googled this.  gorfle   Dec-03-09 03:06 PM   #94 
           - maybe you misunderstood  shellgame26   Dec-02-09 10:05 PM   #87 
              - On creativity and trees.  gorfle   Dec-03-09 11:22 AM   #91 
                 - once again  shellgame26   Dec-03-09 09:57 PM   #99 
        - and as far as  shellgame26   Dec-01-09 10:09 PM   #81 
     - Who said the tests represent the knowledge that we feel  LWolf   Dec-02-09 07:16 AM   #83 
        - So change the test.  gorfle   Dec-02-09 02:04 PM   #85 
           - We have many local measures that do just that.  LWolf   Dec-03-09 06:52 AM   #89 
              - I agree.  gorfle   Dec-03-09 11:49 AM   #92 
                 - Some of that is correct.  LWolf   Dec-03-09 09:06 PM   #95 
  - First you have to define teacher effectiveness.  LWolf   Dec-02-09 07:14 AM   #82 
     - The problem is with the public school culture  tonysam   Dec-03-09 09:09 PM   #97 
        - The link I gave you  LWolf   Dec-03-09 09:20 PM   #98 
  - As if Education graduates needed ANOTHER reason not to work in NYC! LOL!  WinkyDink   Nov-30-09 02:40 PM   #58 
  - Are they comparing test scores within a particular school  KamaAina   Nov-30-09 04:59 PM   #63 
  - The Gov. of WI is pushing this also. All for "race to the top" grants. It is all about  avalonofmists   Nov-30-09 06:52 PM   #65 
  - Yes, the money from the DOE is speaking loudly.  madfloridian   Nov-30-09 10:04 PM   #68 
  - They're using blackmail money in order to gut teachers' legal protections, what few there are.  tonysam   Nov-30-09 11:32 PM   #71 
  - They're doing it in Arizona, and they're doing it in Nevada.  tonysam   Dec-03-09 09:08 PM   #96 
  - I wrote  abelenkpe   Dec-01-09 09:02 AM   #77 
 

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