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Sun Nov-29-09 12:23 PM
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| 20. i wouldn't mind being just a little younger... |
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the second half of this century is going to be very...exciting?
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| -NYC teachers...start praying now to get good students who test well. |
madfloridian |
Nov-28-09 10:52 PM |
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Bloomberg is a rich bonehead. He's there because of his money |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-28-09 10:55 PM |
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Another great outrage |
Libertas1776 |
Nov-28-09 10:56 PM |
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He has in effect hijacked the school system. |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 11:12 AM |
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Let Me Be Blunt |
Dinger |
Nov-28-09 10:57 PM |
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They seem to be supporting it. |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 01:41 AM |
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Using standardized testing to evaluate teachers is a disaster |
bluestateguy |
Nov-28-09 11:01 PM |
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Teaching to the test is common. I'm a substitute in a suburban |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-28-09 11:10 PM |
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It's not deep integral learning that becomes part of a student's mind |
madfloridian |
Nov-28-09 11:59 PM |
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She's an expert in regurgitating facts and filling in boxes. It's all that the system requires. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-29-09 02:56 PM |
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Question |
malletgirl02 |
Nov-28-09 11:03 PM |
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They don't intend to balance it. |
madfloridian |
Nov-28-09 11:06 PM |
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Link |
malletgirl02 |
Nov-28-09 11:29 PM |
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I read that in the NYTimes today |
shellgame26 |
Nov-30-09 09:36 PM |
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New York City has specialized public schools |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-29-09 02:37 PM |
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I have a fascist fucking mayor |
FarLeftFist |
Nov-28-09 11:08 PM |
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This hands children a lot of political power |
Ellen Forradalom |
Nov-28-09 11:09 PM |
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Yes, it does give students power. |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 12:47 AM |
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i am thankful every day that we chose not to have kids. |
dysfunctional press |
Nov-28-09 11:15 PM |
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I'm glad I'm old now and not young now. |
Hardrada |
Nov-28-09 11:17 PM |
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i wouldn't mind being just a little younger... |
dysfunctional press |
Nov-29-09 12:23 PM |
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Maybe not that much younger... |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 12:46 PM |
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You can't evaluate heart surgeons on any lone criteria you desire; especially patient survival rates |
bridgit |
Nov-28-09 11:28 PM |
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Good post. |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 12:00 PM |
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Bloomberg making many "agressive moves" with Joe Klein... |
madfloridian |
Nov-28-09 11:35 PM |
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When did it happen that there is little outrage about union busting... |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 12:51 PM |
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I think the continuous |
LWolf |
Nov-29-09 12:53 PM |
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Yes, you are right. The propaganda worked so well against public schools. |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 02:02 PM |
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Yes. |
LWolf |
Nov-29-09 06:23 PM |
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Not only public schools |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-29-09 09:18 PM |
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agreed n/t |
teacher gal |
Nov-29-09 06:05 PM |
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The problem is the unions are becoming completely ineffective in dealing |
tonysam |
Nov-29-09 02:11 PM |
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Well, it's a good thing then there won't be any soon. |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 02:27 PM |
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Unfortunately, they are about worthless now. Case in point: D.C. schools |
tonysam |
Nov-29-09 06:35 PM |
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Yep, get rid of public schools and unions. |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 06:37 PM |
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I know it is. I am just stating reality |
tonysam |
Nov-29-09 06:38 PM |
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Teacher unions are a different argument. |
Jakes Progress |
Nov-30-09 09:53 AM |
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Ridiculous idea. That forces teachers to teach only for the test. |
mamaleah |
Nov-29-09 02:49 PM |
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It almost guarantees dumbing down of students. |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 04:38 PM |
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What about the Art teacher or the Gym teacher or the counselor? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Nov-29-09 06:11 PM |
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There aren't any of them anymore n/t |
MountainLaurel |
Nov-29-09 06:28 PM |
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From NY Teachers.net chatboard |
tonysam |
Nov-29-09 06:43 PM |
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Thanks for sharing that...teachers are catching on. |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 08:52 PM |
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Two words for anyone who thinks test scores make a good performance indicator: 'bell curve' |
Spider Jerusalem |
Nov-29-09 06:49 PM |
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Yep. And the CRTs are no better indicator |
tonysam |
Nov-29-09 06:50 PM |
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Then teachers need far more leeway in terms of discipline and other matters. |
Deja Q |
Nov-29-09 07:04 PM |
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+1,000 |
tonysam |
Nov-29-09 07:06 PM |
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Discipline? In NYC? AS IF the kids don't intimidate the staff! |
WinkyDink |
Nov-30-09 02:41 PM |
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In their situation, I would simply teach the test. If that's what mayor fucko wants, give him it. |
JVS |
Nov-29-09 09:00 PM |
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Arne Duncan stood next to Bloomberg during the announcement. |
madfloridian |
Nov-29-09 11:40 PM |
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Charter schools cherry pick students who make good grades. |
McCamy Taylor |
Nov-30-09 07:26 AM |
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Okay. So can I write a test to measure public office holders? |
Jakes Progress |
Nov-30-09 09:54 AM |
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So how do you propose measuring teachers, then? |
deadmessengers |
Nov-30-09 10:25 AM |
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Teachers are constantly assessed by many means. |
madfloridian |
Nov-30-09 11:03 AM |
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I teach a course to take a test. |
Turbineguy |
Nov-30-09 10:25 AM |
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For weeks the teachers here "teach to the test". |
madfloridian |
Nov-30-09 11:06 AM |
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Incentive to cheat. |
rucky |
Nov-30-09 11:05 AM |
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It appears, tragically, |
xxqqqzme |
Nov-30-09 01:01 PM |
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So, I ask: |
gorfle |
Nov-30-09 01:05 PM |
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You certainly don't get what I am saying. |
madfloridian |
Nov-30-09 01:24 PM |
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That's fine. |
gorfle |
Nov-30-09 04:22 PM |
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Teachers are ALREADY assessed, all the time, thoroughly |
madfloridian |
Nov-30-09 04:39 PM |
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But it's subjective assessment. |
gorfle |
Nov-30-09 04:47 PM |
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If you think one test can do all that....then I have swampland to sell you. |
madfloridian |
Nov-30-09 05:05 PM |
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And therin is the problem. |
gorfle |
Nov-30-09 11:26 PM |
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You don't judge children on just one test. It is unconscionable. |
madfloridian |
Nov-30-09 11:30 PM |
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On one test. |
gorfle |
Dec-01-09 08:28 AM |
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Then why have grades? Waste of time to give grades on report cards. |
madfloridian |
Dec-02-09 10:44 PM |
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You can't DO it because public schools are political institutions first and foremost |
tonysam |
Nov-30-09 11:40 PM |
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I don't think you understand what's going on in the public schools |
shellgame26 |
Nov-30-09 09:49 PM |
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What's wrong with test prep???? |
gorfle |
Nov-30-09 11:34 PM |
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Uh, no. Teachers aren't against assessments; they assess all the time. |
tonysam |
Nov-30-09 11:37 PM |
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Hah! |
gorfle |
Dec-01-09 09:06 AM |
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I think you need to consider |
shellgame26 |
Dec-01-09 04:33 AM |
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So again... |
gorfle |
Dec-01-09 09:21 AM |
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and again |
shellgame26 |
Dec-01-09 09:58 PM |
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Then change the test. |
gorfle |
Dec-02-09 09:59 AM |
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Why are there few famous Brazilian physicists? |
ieoeja |
Dec-02-09 02:56 PM |
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On Brazilian scientists and false dichotomies. |
gorfle |
Dec-03-09 10:58 AM |
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Brazilian vs American |
ieoeja |
Dec-03-09 12:52 PM |
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Having googled this. |
gorfle |
Dec-03-09 03:06 PM |
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maybe you misunderstood |
shellgame26 |
Dec-02-09 10:05 PM |
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On creativity and trees. |
gorfle |
Dec-03-09 11:22 AM |
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once again |
shellgame26 |
Dec-03-09 09:57 PM |
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and as far as |
shellgame26 |
Dec-01-09 10:09 PM |
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Who said the tests represent the knowledge that we feel |
LWolf |
Dec-02-09 07:16 AM |
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So change the test. |
gorfle |
Dec-02-09 02:04 PM |
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We have many local measures that do just that. |
LWolf |
Dec-03-09 06:52 AM |
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I agree. |
gorfle |
Dec-03-09 11:49 AM |
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Some of that is correct. |
LWolf |
Dec-03-09 09:06 PM |
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First you have to define teacher effectiveness. |
LWolf |
Dec-02-09 07:14 AM |
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The problem is with the public school culture |
tonysam |
Dec-03-09 09:09 PM |
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The link I gave you |
LWolf |
Dec-03-09 09:20 PM |
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As if Education graduates needed ANOTHER reason not to work in NYC! LOL! |
WinkyDink |
Nov-30-09 02:40 PM |
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Are they comparing test scores within a particular school |
KamaAina |
Nov-30-09 04:59 PM |
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The Gov. of WI is pushing this also. All for "race to the top" grants. It is all about |
avalonofmists |
Nov-30-09 06:52 PM |
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Yes, the money from the DOE is speaking loudly. |
madfloridian |
Nov-30-09 10:04 PM |
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They're using blackmail money in order to gut teachers' legal protections, what few there are. |
tonysam |
Nov-30-09 11:32 PM |
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They're doing it in Arizona, and they're doing it in Nevada. |
tonysam |
Dec-03-09 09:08 PM |
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I wrote |
abelenkpe |
Dec-01-09 09:02 AM |
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