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19. I'm disappointed in the way things are going. But I put the blame on Congress and not so much on
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 04:44 PM by county worker
Obama. Sure I feel he didn't fight for a decent health care reform bill. But it is Congress writing the bill. I've said this before and the reply always is that Obama is still at fault for one reason or the other. I take that to mean the person believes the Obama administration is more than an equal branch of the government. We were always attacking the Bush administration for usurping Congress' power and now they want Obama to usurp this Congress' power.

No matter how you slice it those who want to criticize Obama will find a reason for it. Sure it is their right to do so and I don't think any DUer thinks otherwise.

But let's see an equal amount of mud slinging going Congress' way too.

I sure wish Obama was as much the progressive as Bush was the other way. I feel we are going to miss an opportunity here. I feel as bad now as I did when the election was taken from Gore. Then we had all the hope in the world that we would move in a more progressive direction just as we did when we elected Obama. Our problem is going to be getting out the vote for 2010. I can remember the 1994 elections like they were last week. I had some friends that were ditto heads and the day after the election I went to their shop and congratulated them on winning. We lost because the right was more enthusiastic than we were. We did not get health care reform and we sulked and stayed home on election day. I see a repeat of 1994 looming in the future.

However you feel about Obama let's keep telling ourselves how it important it is not to let the right get power again. We may not get what we want from Obama but I am sure as hell we won't get it from the right either.

I wish we could respect each other's point here and let it go at that.

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  -On having voted for Obama MadHound  Nov-25-09 03:46 PM   #0 
  - Quite the rec/unrec duel going on over this thread. Currently the Recs are winning.  Electric Monk   Nov-25-09 03:53 PM   #1 
  - Oh, pay it no mind  MadHound   Nov-25-09 03:56 PM   #3 
  - THE OLD BAIT AND SWITCH GAME  HowHasItComeToThis   Nov-26-09 12:13 AM   #45 
  - You don't seem to understand that if the UNs catch your thread  defendandprotect   Nov-26-09 08:53 AM   #62 
     - That's why I try to make my threads interesting enough to promote discussion  MadHound   Nov-26-09 10:49 AM   #70 
  - Hell Yeah!!  C_Lawyer09   Nov-25-09 04:59 PM   #21 
  - Happy to rec. nt  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-25-09 05:45 PM   #32 
  - +1  ooglymoogly   Nov-25-09 10:12 PM   #38 
  - PS your pooch looks just like mine in her  ooglymoogly   Nov-25-09 10:13 PM   #39 
  - Wow! 7 minutes after the thread is posted the 1st response is importantly about Rec/UnRec.  elocs   Nov-26-09 04:37 AM   #53 
  - In those 7 minutes it had been <0 as well as as high as +3, and when I posted it was +1  Electric Monk   Nov-26-09 03:54 PM   #96 
  - ..  liberal N proud   Nov-26-09 12:07 PM   #78 
  - The fact that posts like this need to be made is a sad narrative on the state of liberalism  Stinky The Clown   Nov-25-09 03:56 PM   #2 
  - Very sad,  MadHound   Nov-25-09 03:57 PM   #4 
  - It's like a rumble.  tridim   Nov-25-09 04:08 PM   #9 
  - It does seem like we're stuck in an endless loop  marshall   Nov-27-09 07:50 AM   #102 
  - I LIKE It & I LIKE IT A LOT! There Are Many Of Us Who DID Vote For Obama  ChiciB1   Nov-25-09 04:00 PM   #5 
  - If you voted for him to avoid the alternative  treestar   Nov-25-09 04:27 PM   #18 
  - let's check that logic  pundaint   Nov-26-09 06:10 AM   #54 
  - Right, if that's the only reason you voted for him.  Cha   Nov-25-09 05:49 PM   #33 
     - Cha... You Are Soooo Wrong About BOHICA, Used That For More Years Than  ChiciB1   Nov-25-09 08:10 PM   #36 
  - What I'm reading: "Strawman, strawman, strawman, strawman" My reaction: yawn. On to next post. nt  HamdenRice   Nov-25-09 04:05 PM   #6 
  - Always look forward to your substansive and insightful replies,  MadHound   Nov-25-09 04:07 PM   #8 
  - Hey, what happened to the idea that "treasury bills have already defaulted"?  HamdenRice   Nov-25-09 04:11 PM   #11 
     - Ah, twisting my words again, OK  MadHound   Nov-25-09 04:19 PM   #15 
        - I see the Brownshirts have found your thread  Tejas   Nov-25-09 05:43 PM   #31 
  - obviously you're in the minority with the strawman assessment. worship of leaders is not  nashville_brook   Nov-26-09 11:14 AM   #73 
  - This phrase:  Sukie   Nov-25-09 04:06 PM   #7 
  - And yet, those reluctant votes counted.  kiva   Nov-25-09 04:14 PM   #13 
  - That's exactly what I'm thinking. Clearly, our votes aren't needed or wanted.  bobbolink   Nov-25-09 05:24 PM   #27 
     - ...from the conservatives this president and congress are trying to appease.  kiva   Nov-25-09 08:59 PM   #37 
  - And. . . ?  MadHound   Nov-25-09 04:18 PM   #14 
  - So it's not enough that we held our noses and voted for him to keep your type  superduperfarleft   Nov-25-09 05:23 PM   #26 
  - I will NEVER have buyers remorse for voting for Obama. I AM disappointed  geckosfeet   Nov-25-09 04:09 PM   #10 
  - I have thought many times if the roles were just reversed we could be seeing  INdemo   Nov-26-09 08:25 AM   #61 
  - Obama is a pragmatist  dtotire   Nov-25-09 04:12 PM   #12 
  - So now we're putting off necessary things until he is more popular?  MadHound   Nov-25-09 04:24 PM   #16 
  - So pragmatism = total capitulation to McChrystal & Goldman Sachs?  JackRiddler   Nov-25-09 10:36 PM   #41 
  - That's what pragmatism means.  alarimer   Nov-26-09 10:07 AM   #68 
  - definition:  barbtries   Nov-26-09 01:07 PM   #86 
  - It is when you make their staff your advisors. Can you justify that?  Go2Peace   Nov-26-09 01:05 PM   #84 
  - I thought we were electing a pragmatic president.  Overseas   Nov-26-09 01:15 PM   #89 
     - i agree...the false notion that pragmatism excludes liberalism  noiretextatique   Nov-26-09 01:44 PM   #92 
     - Pragmatic about what works most efficiently for the majority, vs. pragmatic self-interest  Overseas   Nov-27-09 10:20 AM   #107 
     - Yes I think it's the wasted opportunity that angers me the most  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-26-09 03:05 PM   #94 
        - It sure would be great to have the entire block of Democrats voting for the people  Overseas   Nov-27-09 10:11 AM   #106 
  - fool myself once, shame on me...  dysfunctional press   Nov-25-09 04:25 PM   #17 
  - won't get fooled again?  glitch   Nov-25-09 05:17 PM   #23 
  - I'm disappointed in the way things are going. But I put the blame on Congress and not so much on  county worker   Nov-25-09 04:41 PM   #19 
  - Oh, trust me, I give members of Congress their fair share of criticism  MadHound   Nov-25-09 04:52 PM   #20 
  - I can agree with every word you wrote except for the last few.  county worker   Nov-25-09 05:20 PM   #24 
     - That's the thing, this mess isn't just the fault of the 'Pugs,  MadHound   Nov-25-09 05:31 PM   #28 
        - Well I'm guessing you are a lot younger than me and have time to look forward.  county worker   Nov-25-09 05:40 PM   #29 
        - +1 n/t  Laelth   Nov-25-09 05:42 PM   #30 
  - CORRECT, they have had THREE YEARS to straighten things out!  Tejas   Nov-26-09 07:17 AM   #58 
  - I agree  Scruffy1   Nov-26-09 07:35 AM   #59 
  - just think of this-- a democratic underground in the 60`s....  madrchsod   Nov-25-09 05:10 PM   #22 
  - And just like in the 60s...  superduperfarleft   Nov-25-09 05:23 PM   #25 
     - I was in Vietnam. The big difference is that you saw what I was going through on the nightly news.  county worker   Nov-25-09 05:54 PM   #34 
     - AMEN to that sentiment!  Techn0Girl   Nov-26-09 02:18 AM   #51 
     - at that time we were living with the war in our living rooms night after night.  bdamomma   Nov-27-09 08:20 AM   #103 
     - Having seen this play out in my generation, I think there is a damned good chance that you will be,  bobbolink   Nov-25-09 05:55 PM   #35 
     - yep  Mari333   Nov-25-09 10:14 PM   #40 
     - You could also say, just like 2003 compared to today...  JackRiddler   Nov-25-09 10:41 PM   #42 
  - It seems people are either a 'cheerleader' or 'hater' of Obama here according to all these threads  nini   Nov-25-09 10:46 PM   #43 
  - +1 nt  Laurab   Nov-26-09 04:22 AM   #52 
  - I voted for him in the primary and general, and supported him financially.  TexasObserver   Nov-25-09 10:51 PM   #44 
  - I didn't read past *fascist load of bullshit*  Autonomy   Nov-26-09 12:31 AM   #46 
  - I'll duly inform such noted writers as Thompson and Vonnegut that they can no longer use the term  MadHound   Nov-26-09 06:30 AM   #55 
     - Agreed....too many DUers replace sophistry for discussion these days  Zodiak   Nov-26-09 11:49 AM   #77 
     - Godwin's Law  Autonomy   Nov-27-09 11:45 PM   #109 
  - THANK YOU  Skittles   Nov-26-09 12:31 AM   #47 
  - Agreed... He delivered on all promises so far... good and bad ones nt  AzNick   Nov-26-09 12:32 AM   #48 
  - Excellent, MH.  Bluebear   Nov-26-09 12:32 AM   #49 
  - Wow, so many great ideas for topics of discussion, esp between you and countyworker  Stumbler   Nov-26-09 01:26 AM   #50 
  - Thanks for your comment, Stumbler  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-26-09 03:10 PM   #95 
     - Thanks Lydia  Stumbler   Nov-27-09 02:58 AM   #100 
  - One way to as Obama said, "Go out a make me do it"  PuraVidaDreamin   Nov-26-09 06:52 AM   #56 
  - I would love to go,  MadHound   Nov-26-09 06:59 AM   #57 
     - This is around the time of the next gathering-big march  PuraVidaDreamin   Nov-26-09 07:59 AM   #60 
  - Agree ---  defendandprotect   Nov-26-09 09:09 AM   #63 
  - So you were only against Palin? That old guy was pretty fucking crazy too you know?  no limit   Nov-26-09 09:29 AM   #64 
  - My thoughts exactly.  12AngryBorneoWildmen   Nov-26-09 09:54 AM   #66 
  - Then if you don't want the liberal, left wing of the party to abandon the Dems,  MadHound   Nov-26-09 11:06 AM   #72 
  - Oh, I didn't like McCain either,  MadHound   Nov-26-09 10:57 AM   #71 
  - I voted FOR Obama  salib   Nov-26-09 09:31 AM   #65 
  - From a big time, long time booster of Barack Obama, our President  mikekohr   Nov-26-09 09:59 AM   #67 
  - K & R....and a big thank you for the post....  winyanstaz   Nov-26-09 10:28 AM   #69 
  - The statement is fine, but the reasoning is suspect.  Gore1FL   Nov-26-09 11:16 AM   #74 
  - Yes, we do have a two party system,  MadHound   Nov-26-09 12:53 PM   #80 
     - Yes, because look what happens to candidates who try to change from within  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-26-09 12:58 PM   #82 
     - That works, but ultimately,...  Gore1FL   Nov-27-09 01:07 AM   #99 
        - Most of the time you're correct,  MadHound   Nov-27-09 07:18 AM   #101 
           - Yes, if you stay home you are NOT COUNTED  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-27-09 08:54 AM   #105 
           - Last time we had a shout out for attention we got Bush n/t  Gore1FL   Nov-27-09 06:03 PM   #108 
  - He was the better choice.  Deep13   Nov-26-09 11:29 AM   #75 
  - I voted FOR Obama...or at least who I thought Obama was.  shadesofgray   Nov-26-09 11:46 AM   #76 
  - You have stated exactly why I voted for Obama  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-26-09 12:52 PM   #79 
  - Truer words were never spoken  MadHound   Nov-26-09 01:06 PM   #85 
  - I think you are correct, both of you.  glitch   Nov-26-09 04:19 PM   #97 
     - I completely agree with all three of you.  Desertrose   Nov-26-09 06:39 PM   #98 
  - well put  barbtries   Nov-26-09 12:57 PM   #81 
  - Doesn't mean you have to vote for him in 2012.  2tr4nqued   Nov-26-09 01:00 PM   #83 
  - I probably won't  MadHound   Nov-26-09 01:09 PM   #87 
  - "Go out and make me do it."  varelse   Nov-26-09 01:12 PM   #88 
  - Funny, I hear children say that on occasion.  Tejas   Nov-27-09 08:50 AM   #104 
  - Oh, you have lots of room to complain  Cha   Nov-26-09 01:16 PM   #90 
  - We voted as much for "our" agenda as we did for him.  DailyGrind51   Nov-26-09 01:37 PM   #91 
  - democrats against democracy!  noiretextatique   Nov-26-09 02:13 PM   #93 

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