| 195. yea dem turnout will be abysmal and independents won't go dem likely |
| -Naomi Klein: "Yes We Can" was a marketing ploy. Like a corporate "No Logo" |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:19 AM |
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The unrec's start. Don't like Naomi Kline? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:24 AM |
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24 hours from now UnRecs won't make a bit of difference, but kicks will. |
elocs |
Nov-24-09 05:39 AM |
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Be careful. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-24-09 11:45 AM |
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The "unrec" crew tries to knock out a post early on. Those that are most critical of the party line |
Raster |
Nov-24-09 11:59 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-24-09 08:26 PM |
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linking to one of my old posts on the subject |
noamnety |
Nov-24-09 05:26 AM |
#2 |
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It's significant, for good or bad |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:37 AM |
#6 |
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As Ms. Klein said, |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 02:31 PM |
#87 |
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Yes We Can was always a giant pile of bullshit |
Skittles |
Nov-24-09 05:30 AM |
#3 |
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I still don't believe it was meant to be that, but it sure seems to begoing that direction |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:56 AM |
#15 |
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Do you know how many Dems and Progressives were banned from DU for saying just that? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-24-09 11:44 AM |
#54 |
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Just an FYI - |
pinto |
Nov-24-09 04:22 PM |
#116 |
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I'm not going to fight with a moderator, pinto |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-24-09 06:23 PM |
#133 |
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I disagree as well |
Eric68601 |
Nov-25-09 12:42 AM |
#182 |
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try posting something on the bilderbergs-they swoop in and delete that real quick |
natrat |
Nov-25-09 04:41 AM |
#191 |
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You're right... |
femrap |
Nov-24-09 05:17 PM |
#125 |
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I fell in line. I am so ashamed of myself. I joined the hope train and I knew better |
debbierlus |
Nov-24-09 05:42 PM |
#128 |
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So apparently on Election Night the message became "Yes We Did" |
truedelphi |
Nov-24-09 01:38 PM |
#76 |
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I agree |
backtomn |
Nov-24-09 01:50 PM |
#78 |
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+1 |
MissDeeds |
Nov-24-09 03:34 PM |
#101 |
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"yes, we can" = "NAFTA, We Have To" |
amborin |
Nov-24-09 06:42 PM |
#137 |
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It's called a campaign slogan dumbass. |
tranche |
Nov-24-09 11:20 PM |
#176 |
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Very interesting analysis |
Bonn1997 |
Nov-24-09 05:35 AM |
#4 |
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Sooner or later, they all begin to take themselves |
Solomon |
Nov-24-09 04:50 PM |
#121 |
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She has earned her credibility. |
Mithreal |
Nov-25-09 05:06 AM |
#196 |
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Fuel efficiency standards, funding for renewable energy, withdrawl from Iraq... |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 05:36 AM |
#5 |
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re: Fuel efficiency standards, funding for renewable energy, withdrawl from Iraq... |
thenam |
Nov-24-09 05:42 AM |
#8 |
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The kind of withdrawal where more mercenaries are hired |
Mithreal |
Nov-24-09 05:00 PM |
#122 |
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Just for the record, these "contractors" are not necessarily even Americans. Many of them |
bertman |
Nov-24-09 10:14 PM |
#171 |
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can't wait for "private security forces" to be unleashed domestically, happy times |
natrat |
Nov-25-09 04:43 AM |
#192 |
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..withdrawal from Iraq, ESCALATION IN AFGHANISTAN..... |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-24-09 05:45 AM |
#10 |
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Obama has not announced anything about Afghanistan yet |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 06:04 AM |
#16 |
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How would "grooming" possibly be relevant to anything? |
Naturyl |
Nov-24-09 11:49 AM |
#56 |
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UH, I Think An Announcement Has Just Been Leaked To David Shuster... |
ChiciB1 |
Nov-24-09 03:40 PM |
#104 |
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Oh please |
MissDeeds |
Nov-24-09 03:42 PM |
#106 |
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What withdrawal from Iraq?? |
backtomn |
Nov-24-09 01:55 PM |
#81 |
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That is good policy, but not "Change" in the way it was presented, regardless, will he LISTEN and |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:45 AM |
#11 |
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He killed that antimissile program that was a huge irritation for the Russians |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 06:07 AM |
#17 |
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We can't print that much $$$$ to |
femrap |
Nov-24-09 05:21 PM |
#126 |
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You left out, "Replacing troops with private contractors." |
Luminous Animal |
Nov-24-09 09:44 AM |
#44 |
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Not to mention the fact that he is simply following Bush's timetable |
kenny blankenship |
Nov-24-09 12:01 PM |
#59 |
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Wowsers.... |
twitfinder |
Nov-24-09 08:53 PM |
#157 |
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Hello???? |
backtomn |
Nov-24-09 01:53 PM |
# |
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Hello???? |
backtomn |
Nov-24-09 01:53 PM |
#79 |
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you're kidding, right? |
amborin |
Nov-24-09 06:41 PM |
#136 |
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You haven't a clue what you are talking about eom |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 07:49 PM |
#141 |
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certainly applies to you! you have no idea what you're talking about |
amborin |
Nov-24-09 08:57 PM |
#159 |
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Of course it was, and I feel for people that never saw it coming |
bridgit |
Nov-24-09 05:44 AM |
#9 |
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I haven't completely given up |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:47 AM |
#12 |
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Me neither, and it is because he is an intelligent man... |
bridgit |
Nov-24-09 06:08 AM |
#18 |
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Speaking of Grey Men... |
snake in the grass |
Nov-24-09 06:54 PM |
#138 |
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I'm still hoping that after the current market bubble bursts, |
alterfurz |
Nov-24-09 12:16 PM |
#61 |
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There is? |
Naturyl |
Nov-24-09 04:49 PM |
#120 |
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just saying that if depression does deepen further, |
alterfurz |
Nov-24-09 06:34 PM |
#134 |
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And we are surprised because? |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-24-09 05:48 AM |
#13 |
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That is not "change" then. The nation does not need another corporate market lie |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:53 AM |
#14 |
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Marketing or messaging...semantics. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-24-09 06:18 AM |
#23 |
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No, "Marketing", when applied heavily to the Political world, is another name for PROPAGANDA |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:26 AM |
#25 |
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Meh. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-24-09 06:44 AM |
#29 |
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Actually, we have a far larger propaganda budget than the USSR ever had |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:54 AM |
#33 |
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dup |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:54 AM |
#34 |
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All we would ask.. |
sendero |
Nov-24-09 06:49 AM |
#32 |
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The republicons are... |
butterfly77 |
Nov-25-09 04:24 PM |
#198 |
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Unrec for the lugubrious malaise...eom |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 06:11 AM |
#19 |
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The choice between cynicism and hope is yours |
willing dwarf |
Nov-24-09 06:13 AM |
#20 |
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He WAS connecting at the grassroots. He ASKS of the grassroots, but he is not LISTENING |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:28 AM |
#26 |
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Looks like he used the grassroots but answers to corporate America. nt |
polichick |
Nov-24-09 06:49 AM |
#31 |
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It looks like that, but I still do believe he will change direction once the pressure builds enough |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 07:05 AM |
#37 |
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Here's an interesting piece that talks about Obama supporters... |
polichick |
Nov-24-09 10:09 AM |
#47 |
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YES INDEED! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-24-09 09:51 AM |
#45 |
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+100 At Least! I Feel "Used" Because I Worked So Hard To Get Him |
ChiciB1 |
Nov-24-09 03:43 PM |
#107 |
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The third option is objectivity |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 02:45 PM |
#90 |
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Well said |
willing dwarf |
Nov-24-09 04:49 PM |
#119 |
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I don't know if any of us have any idea |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 08:54 PM |
#158 |
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I don't mean to break your heart, friend, but here is how it really is. |
StreetKnowledge |
Nov-24-09 05:38 PM |
#127 |
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You can choose to believe or not believe in the words, |
pundaint |
Nov-24-09 05:47 PM |
#130 |
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yea dem turnout will be abysmal and independents won't go dem likely |
natrat |
Nov-25-09 04:57 AM |
#195 |
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Oh Noes!1!! Obama used a campaign slogan!!1! Impeach him already!!!!11 |
HamdenRice |
Nov-24-09 06:14 AM |
#21 |
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Nope, you are not listening. slogans are not "change" |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:21 AM |
#24 |
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"People want politics to change, not just policies" -- ROFL! |
HamdenRice |
Nov-24-09 06:30 AM |
#27 |
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You can't give Obama any credit |
Johonny |
Nov-24-09 10:16 AM |
#48 |
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So, they have discovered |
quaker bill |
Nov-24-09 06:15 AM |
#22 |
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That happens whenever a democrat gets elected, it is not part of "change" |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:39 AM |
#28 |
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Impeachment "Off The Table" was a huge clue that not much was going to change.... |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 02:52 PM |
#93 |
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Many people on this board |
quaker bill |
Nov-24-09 09:38 PM |
#164 |
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➔BIngo |
Agony |
Nov-24-09 11:22 PM |
#178 |
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Not Enough Ponies Fast Enough... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-24-09 06:46 AM |
#30 |
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No, too much throwing the grassroots under the bus. The time is on to put us at the table. That |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 07:00 AM |
#35 |
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An Interesting Question... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-24-09 07:16 AM |
#38 |
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You have a mighty strange definition of "under the bus" |
JoeyT |
Nov-24-09 02:51 PM |
#92 |
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that also happened after the last time |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 02:56 PM |
#95 |
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The Pitfalls of Being A Majority Party... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-24-09 04:41 PM |
#117 |
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We still have the unitary executive |
dotymed |
Nov-24-09 06:03 PM |
#131 |
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Kucinich Doesn't Speak For All... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-24-09 06:34 PM |
#135 |
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I could accept that *if* Obama was listening and allowing the grassroots a voice |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:10 PM |
#144 |
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*sigh* |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-24-09 07:23 AM |
#39 |
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I get it. Sorry. I now see we are saying similar things. |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:14 PM |
#145 |
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Do you really think you are the "grassroots"? |
HamdenRice |
Nov-24-09 07:32 AM |
#40 |
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And what does that giant, diverse group want? |
Lautremont |
Nov-24-09 02:32 PM |
#88 |
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Yep. Those people elected him alright. |
JoeyT |
Nov-24-09 02:46 PM |
#91 |
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And what makes you think that doesn't represent me, because it does, more than you know |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:17 PM |
#146 |
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A solid majority |
Enthusiast |
Nov-25-09 04:35 AM |
#190 |
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Hindsight is golden..... |
blindpig |
Nov-24-09 07:03 AM |
#36 |
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To bad our emotions could not be triggered by a sense of justice towards |
midnight |
Nov-24-09 09:05 AM |
#41 |
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+1 |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-09 09:07 AM |
#42 |
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Way, way off topic here |
NICO9000 |
Nov-24-09 02:23 PM |
#86 |
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i love Naomi |
optimator |
Nov-24-09 09:11 AM |
#43 |
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uh, duh. everything in a campaign is show business. |
PHIMG |
Nov-24-09 10:05 AM |
#46 |
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k/r. Naomi Klein is quickly becoming one of my heroes. nt |
Romulox |
Nov-24-09 10:26 AM |
#49 |
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me too |
dana_b |
Nov-24-09 12:40 PM |
#68 |
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that "yes we can" video was an eery example of the cult of personality |
paulsby |
Nov-24-09 11:11 AM |
#50 |
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I don't go much for media culture, but I admit it brought tears to my eyes |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:23 PM |
#148 |
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i don't buy that for a second |
paulsby |
Nov-25-09 01:20 AM |
#184 |
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Klein nails it as usual. n/t |
greeneyedboy |
Nov-24-09 11:11 AM |
#51 |
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This is a surprise? Really? They used a modified Pepsi symbol for Chrissake. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-24-09 11:42 AM |
#52 |
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Ditto with "change we can believe in" |
Naturyl |
Nov-24-09 11:44 AM |
#53 |
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But what happens in a society if a large enough % choose to abide illusion/fantasy as "reality?" |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-09 12:22 PM |
#63 |
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You're looking at it. (n/t) |
Naturyl |
Nov-24-09 01:01 PM |
#72 |
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You're soaking in it! |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-09 01:19 PM |
#75 |
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Lot's of Orwell in that one? |
tranche |
Nov-24-09 11:22 PM |
#177 |
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Wow, what a brilliant insight! |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Nov-24-09 11:53 AM |
#57 |
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Not many people notice it |
rollingrock |
Nov-24-09 12:23 PM |
#64 |
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And then when it is explained, many still vehemently deny it as a "conspiracy theory" |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-09 12:41 PM |
#69 |
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Really, how dumb do you have to be? |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Nov-24-09 01:02 PM |
#73 |
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People get sucked into the emotionalism |
rollingrock |
Nov-24-09 01:12 PM |
#74 |
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Worse, and more deeply rooted yet, is the birth-on cultural indoctrination |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-09 01:54 PM |
#80 |
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Bingo |
Naturyl |
Nov-24-09 05:00 PM |
#123 |
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No, it is recognizing that a DEMOCRATIC candidate used marketing cynically. That *is* a change. |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:26 PM |
#150 |
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No it isn't new. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Nov-24-09 09:09 PM |
#161 |
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Just read Naomi Klein's insightful incredible book-you will understand more than you want to believe |
LaPera |
Nov-24-09 12:07 PM |
#60 |
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No Logo or Shock Doctrine? |
dana_b |
Nov-24-09 12:42 PM |
#70 |
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Not really a new insight. who didnt know this? Obama himself said |
cadmium |
Nov-24-09 12:19 PM |
#62 |
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Not new, but it needs to be addressed and talked about |
rollingrock |
Nov-24-09 12:28 PM |
#65 |
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Naomi Klein isn't really making any new insights here. |
tranche |
Nov-24-09 11:24 PM |
#179 |
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But what happens when he no longer allows us access to the slate? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:27 PM |
#151 |
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Of course it was branding. What else is a political campaign? That was obvious from the start. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-24-09 12:32 PM |
#66 |
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Did you read about how this kind of marketing *replaces* social change? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:31 PM |
#152 |
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M$M riding Obama's coattails, patting themselves on the back, pitching their supposed clout. nt |
phasma ex machina |
Nov-24-09 12:34 PM |
#67 |
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k & r! Klein always sorts out the nitty gritty. n/t |
truedelphi |
Nov-24-09 12:58 PM |
#71 |
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What a bunch of bullshit. This is insightful? |
NYC Liberal |
Nov-24-09 01:44 PM |
#77 |
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So please enumerate how the President is reachng out to the base? Isn't that what the "we" is? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:32 PM |
#154 |
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You think "Yes WE Can" referred to only the base? |
NYC Liberal |
Nov-25-09 06:46 AM |
#197 |
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You are so right. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-25-09 04:48 AM |
#193 |
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Well, duh! n/t |
pleah |
Nov-24-09 01:56 PM |
#82 |
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And this is supposed to be some sort of revelation? |
Javaman |
Nov-24-09 02:03 PM |
#83 |
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Xe = disappearing Blackwater |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 02:04 PM |
#84 |
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Klein gets it. |
burning rain |
Nov-24-09 02:17 PM |
#85 |
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I feel like I've been bambozzeled |
N_E_1 for Tennis |
Nov-24-09 02:44 PM |
#89 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-24-09 02:53 PM |
#94 |
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Politicians have always used slogans and we are in a new era of synergy between corporations and gov |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 03:13 PM |
#96 |
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The theory of the hour--emotions can be power |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 03:24 PM |
#97 |
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In politics they are used to manipulate people and drive votes, not "good decisions" |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 03:32 PM |
#98 |
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I was saying something similar during the primaries. |
jsamuel |
Nov-24-09 03:32 PM |
#99 |
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K & R |
democracy1st |
Nov-24-09 03:34 PM |
#100 |
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".....but, yet, doesn't quite say anything." yup. nt |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-24-09 03:36 PM |
#102 |
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If you picked your candidate based on marketing you are a fool |
Egnever |
Nov-24-09 03:40 PM |
#103 |
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Of course it was! All political slogans are marketing ploys! |
Taverner |
Nov-24-09 03:41 PM |
#105 |
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Well, duh. |
Lex |
Nov-24-09 03:45 PM |
#108 |
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Why is it that America seems frozen in time, no matter who the president is? |
Politicub |
Nov-24-09 03:47 PM |
#109 |
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I Like Ike! |
otohara |
Nov-24-09 03:51 PM |
#110 |
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K & R..... |
winyanstaz |
Nov-24-09 03:57 PM |
#111 |
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We are the rabble, are we roused? |
grahamhgreen |
Nov-24-09 04:13 PM |
#112 |
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Obamas initial coming out speech |
bkozumplik |
Nov-24-09 04:16 PM |
#113 |
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I would just be happy with the "across the isle" Obama approach. If he only reached out to his base |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:45 PM |
#155 |
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I can see why people who were silly enough to vote based on a slogan are so bitter now |
ecstatic |
Nov-24-09 04:18 PM |
#114 |
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No, but it was... |
newtothegame |
Nov-24-09 04:19 PM |
#115 |
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yes we can pretend we support civil rights |
pollo poco |
Nov-24-09 09:32 PM |
#163 |
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blame will.i.am |
lxlxlxl |
Nov-24-09 04:42 PM |
#118 |
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I actually thought it was well done. What makes it empty is that it is not representative |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:47 PM |
#156 |
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Coltrane: YEA! will.i.am: NAY! |
PM Martin |
Nov-24-09 09:50 PM |
#169 |
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Anyone who had studied |
femrap |
Nov-24-09 05:14 PM |
#124 |
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Obama should be buying off the troublesome Senators with pork spending they can take home.. |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 07:53 PM |
#142 |
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Yeah, we really need Senators |
femrap |
Nov-24-09 08:59 PM |
#160 |
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Love Naomi Klein... |
mirrera |
Nov-24-09 05:47 PM |
#129 |
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This is kind of what the wingnuts say. That Obama is a cult celebrity. |
emulatorloo |
Nov-24-09 06:15 PM |
#132 |
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Oh, someone's got something on her/she sold out/she didn't get her pony/she |
closeupready |
Nov-24-09 07:16 PM |
#139 |
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They key paragraph in that clip, for me, is this: |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-24-09 07:33 PM |
#140 |
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nothing new, really |
seeinfweggos |
Nov-24-09 08:00 PM |
#143 |
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here is |
thegoodfight |
Nov-24-09 08:22 PM |
#147 |
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It takes a really rich President, like FDR or JFK to implement real change. |
DailyGrind51 |
Nov-24-09 08:32 PM |
#153 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-24-09 09:17 PM |
#162 |
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Naomi Klein is a pig. |
imdjh |
Nov-24-09 09:39 PM |
#165 |
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Well thought out remark, LOL |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 09:41 PM |
#166 |
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I've been dying to say it all day. Who knew an opportunity with impunity would show up? |
imdjh |
Nov-24-09 09:46 PM |
#168 |
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Wonderful. The last word. |
RufusTFirefly |
Nov-24-09 11:08 PM |
#175 |
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I must recomend this one. |
PM Martin |
Nov-24-09 09:45 PM |
#167 |
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I see it as you do, PM Martin. nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-25-09 04:56 AM |
#194 |
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I like Klein, but don't always agree with her |
davidpdx |
Nov-24-09 10:13 PM |
#170 |
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Kicking in order to come back to this. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-24-09 10:30 PM |
#172 |
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I have a lot of respect for Naomi Kline, but I don't know about this... |
budkin |
Nov-24-09 10:37 PM |
#173 |
| -
"It's Morning in America" |
nevergiveup |
Nov-24-09 11:05 PM |
#174 |
| -
Naomi Klein discovers the campaign slogan! |
tranche |
Nov-24-09 11:26 PM |
#180 |
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It's easy to blame Obama for the lack of change when Congress is the real problem. |
stopbush |
Nov-25-09 12:39 AM |
#181 |
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He lost that support the minute he closed the grassroots out of government |
Go2Peace |
Nov-25-09 12:53 AM |
#183 |
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Ploy... |
BillDU |
Nov-25-09 01:22 AM |
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Repugs |
BillDU |
Nov-25-09 01:24 AM |
#186 |
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Sorry. |
BillDU |
Nov-25-09 01:26 AM |
#187 |
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Glad Naomi Klein is speaking out about this, though some of us have been saying this all along. |
earth mom |
Nov-25-09 01:50 AM |
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Did anyone ever consider |
Enthusiast |
Nov-25-09 04:10 AM |
#189 |
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No! |
BillDU |
Nov-25-09 11:53 PM |
#199 |
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