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49. k/r. Naomi Klein is quickly becoming one of my heroes. nt
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  -Naomi Klein: "Yes We Can" was a marketing ploy. Like a corporate "No Logo" Go2Peace  Nov-24-09 05:19 AM   #0 
  - The unrec's start. Don't like Naomi Kline?  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 05:24 AM   #1 
  - 24 hours from now UnRecs won't make a bit of difference, but kicks will.  elocs   Nov-24-09 05:39 AM   #7 
  - Be careful.  Nikki Stone1   Nov-24-09 11:45 AM   #55 
  - The "unrec" crew tries to knock out a post early on. Those that are most critical of the party line  Raster   Nov-24-09 11:59 AM   #58 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-09 08:26 PM   #149 
  - linking to one of my old posts on the subject  noamnety   Nov-24-09 05:26 AM   #2 
  - It's significant, for good or bad  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 05:37 AM   #6 
     - As Ms. Klein said,  omega minimo   Nov-24-09 02:31 PM   #87 
  - Yes We Can was always a giant pile of bullshit  Skittles   Nov-24-09 05:30 AM   #3 
  - I still don't believe it was meant to be that, but it sure seems to begoing that direction  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 05:56 AM   #15 
  - Do you know how many Dems and Progressives were banned from DU for saying just that?  Nikki Stone1   Nov-24-09 11:44 AM   #54 
  - Just an FYI -  pinto   Nov-24-09 04:22 PM   #116 
  - I'm not going to fight with a moderator, pinto  Nikki Stone1   Nov-24-09 06:23 PM   #133 
     - I disagree as well  Eric68601   Nov-25-09 12:42 AM   #182 
        - try posting something on the bilderbergs-they swoop in and delete that real quick  natrat   Nov-25-09 04:41 AM   #191 
  - You're right...  femrap   Nov-24-09 05:17 PM   #125 
  - I fell in line. I am so ashamed of myself. I joined the hope train and I knew better  debbierlus   Nov-24-09 05:42 PM   #128 
  - So apparently on Election Night the message became "Yes We Did"  truedelphi   Nov-24-09 01:38 PM   #76 
  - I agree  backtomn   Nov-24-09 01:50 PM   #78 
  - +1  MissDeeds   Nov-24-09 03:34 PM   #101 
  - "yes, we can" = "NAFTA, We Have To"  amborin   Nov-24-09 06:42 PM   #137 
  - It's called a campaign slogan dumbass.  tranche   Nov-24-09 11:20 PM   #176 
  - Very interesting analysis  Bonn1997   Nov-24-09 05:35 AM   #4 
  - Sooner or later, they all begin to take themselves  Solomon   Nov-24-09 04:50 PM   #121 
     - She has earned her credibility.  Mithreal   Nov-25-09 05:06 AM   #196 
  - Fuel efficiency standards, funding for renewable energy, withdrawl from Iraq...  Kolesar   Nov-24-09 05:36 AM   #5 
  - re: Fuel efficiency standards, funding for renewable energy, withdrawl from Iraq...  thenam   Nov-24-09 05:42 AM   #8 
  - The kind of withdrawal where more mercenaries are hired  Mithreal   Nov-24-09 05:00 PM   #122 
     - Just for the record, these "contractors" are not necessarily even Americans. Many of them  bertman   Nov-24-09 10:14 PM   #171 
     - can't wait for "private security forces" to be unleashed domestically, happy times  natrat   Nov-25-09 04:43 AM   #192 
  - ..withdrawal from Iraq, ESCALATION IN AFGHANISTAN.....  jonnyblitz   Nov-24-09 05:45 AM   #10 
  - Obama has not announced anything about Afghanistan yet  Kolesar   Nov-24-09 06:04 AM   #16 
  - How would "grooming" possibly be relevant to anything?  Naturyl   Nov-24-09 11:49 AM   #56 
  - UH, I Think An Announcement Has Just Been Leaked To David Shuster...  ChiciB1   Nov-24-09 03:40 PM   #104 
  - Oh please  MissDeeds   Nov-24-09 03:42 PM   #106 
  - What withdrawal from Iraq??  backtomn   Nov-24-09 01:55 PM   #81 
  - That is good policy, but not "Change" in the way it was presented, regardless, will he LISTEN and  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 05:45 AM   #11 
  - He killed that antimissile program that was a huge irritation for the Russians  Kolesar   Nov-24-09 06:07 AM   #17 
     - We can't print that much $$$$ to  femrap   Nov-24-09 05:21 PM   #126 
  - You left out, "Replacing troops with private contractors."  Luminous Animal   Nov-24-09 09:44 AM   #44 
  - Not to mention the fact that he is simply following Bush's timetable  kenny blankenship   Nov-24-09 12:01 PM   #59 
     - Wowsers....  twitfinder   Nov-24-09 08:53 PM   #157 
  - Hello????  backtomn   Nov-24-09 01:53 PM   # 
  - Hello????  backtomn   Nov-24-09 01:53 PM   #79 
  - you're kidding, right?  amborin   Nov-24-09 06:41 PM   #136 
     - You haven't a clue what you are talking about eom  Kolesar   Nov-24-09 07:49 PM   #141 
        - certainly applies to you! you have no idea what you're talking about  amborin   Nov-24-09 08:57 PM   #159 
  - Of course it was, and I feel for people that never saw it coming  bridgit   Nov-24-09 05:44 AM   #9 
  - I haven't completely given up  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 05:47 AM   #12 
     - Me neither, and it is because he is an intelligent man...  bridgit   Nov-24-09 06:08 AM   #18 
     - Speaking of Grey Men...  snake in the grass   Nov-24-09 06:54 PM   #138 
     - I'm still hoping that after the current market bubble bursts,  alterfurz   Nov-24-09 12:16 PM   #61 
        - There is?  Naturyl   Nov-24-09 04:49 PM   #120 
           - just saying that if depression does deepen further,  alterfurz   Nov-24-09 06:34 PM   #134 
  - And we are surprised because?  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-24-09 05:48 AM   #13 
  - That is not "change" then. The nation does not need another corporate market lie  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 05:53 AM   #14 
  - Marketing or messaging...semantics.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-24-09 06:18 AM   #23 
     - No, "Marketing", when applied heavily to the Political world, is another name for PROPAGANDA  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 06:26 AM   #25 
        - Meh.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-24-09 06:44 AM   #29 
           - Actually, we have a far larger propaganda budget than the USSR ever had  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 06:54 AM   #33 
           - dup  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 06:54 AM   #34 
  - All we would ask..  sendero   Nov-24-09 06:49 AM   #32 
  - The republicons are...  butterfly77   Nov-25-09 04:24 PM   #198 
  - Unrec for the lugubrious malaise...eom  Kolesar   Nov-24-09 06:11 AM   #19 
  - The choice between cynicism and hope is yours  willing dwarf   Nov-24-09 06:13 AM   #20 
  - He WAS connecting at the grassroots. He ASKS of the grassroots, but he is not LISTENING  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 06:28 AM   #26 
  - Looks like he used the grassroots but answers to corporate America. nt  polichick   Nov-24-09 06:49 AM   #31 
     - It looks like that, but I still do believe he will change direction once the pressure builds enough  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 07:05 AM   #37 
     - Here's an interesting piece that talks about Obama supporters...  polichick   Nov-24-09 10:09 AM   #47 
     - YES INDEED!  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-24-09 09:51 AM   #45 
     - +100 At Least! I Feel "Used" Because I Worked So Hard To Get Him  ChiciB1   Nov-24-09 03:43 PM   #107 
  - The third option is objectivity  omega minimo   Nov-24-09 02:45 PM   #90 
  - Well said  willing dwarf   Nov-24-09 04:49 PM   #119 
     - I don't know if any of us have any idea  omega minimo   Nov-24-09 08:54 PM   #158 
  - I don't mean to break your heart, friend, but here is how it really is.  StreetKnowledge   Nov-24-09 05:38 PM   #127 
  - You can choose to believe or not believe in the words,  pundaint   Nov-24-09 05:47 PM   #130 
     - yea dem turnout will be abysmal and independents won't go dem likely  natrat   Nov-25-09 04:57 AM   #195 
  - Oh Noes!1!! Obama used a campaign slogan!!1! Impeach him already!!!!11  HamdenRice   Nov-24-09 06:14 AM   #21 
  - Nope, you are not listening. slogans are not "change"  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 06:21 AM   #24 
     - "People want politics to change, not just policies" -- ROFL!  HamdenRice   Nov-24-09 06:30 AM   #27 
        - You can't give Obama any credit  Johonny   Nov-24-09 10:16 AM   #48 
  - So, they have discovered  quaker bill   Nov-24-09 06:15 AM   #22 
  - That happens whenever a democrat gets elected, it is not part of "change"  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 06:39 AM   #28 
  - Impeachment "Off The Table" was a huge clue that not much was going to change....  omega minimo   Nov-24-09 02:52 PM   #93 
  - Many people on this board  quaker bill   Nov-24-09 09:38 PM   #164 
     - ➔BIngo  Agony   Nov-24-09 11:22 PM   #178 
  - Not Enough Ponies Fast Enough...  KharmaTrain   Nov-24-09 06:46 AM   #30 
     - No, too much throwing the grassroots under the bus. The time is on to put us at the table. That  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 07:00 AM   #35 
        - An Interesting Question...  KharmaTrain   Nov-24-09 07:16 AM   #38 
        - You have a mighty strange definition of "under the bus"  JoeyT   Nov-24-09 02:51 PM   #92 
           - that also happened after the last time  omega minimo   Nov-24-09 02:56 PM   #95 
           - The Pitfalls of Being A Majority Party...  KharmaTrain   Nov-24-09 04:41 PM   #117 
              - We still have the unitary executive  dotymed   Nov-24-09 06:03 PM   #131 
              - Kucinich Doesn't Speak For All...  KharmaTrain   Nov-24-09 06:34 PM   #135 
              - I could accept that *if* Obama was listening and allowing the grassroots a voice  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 08:10 PM   #144 
        - *sigh*  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-24-09 07:23 AM   #39 
        - I get it. Sorry. I now see we are saying similar things.  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 08:14 PM   #145 
        - Do you really think you are the "grassroots"?  HamdenRice   Nov-24-09 07:32 AM   #40 
           - And what does that giant, diverse group want?  Lautremont   Nov-24-09 02:32 PM   #88 
           - Yep. Those people elected him alright.  JoeyT   Nov-24-09 02:46 PM   #91 
           - And what makes you think that doesn't represent me, because it does, more than you know  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 08:17 PM   #146 
           - A solid majority  Enthusiast   Nov-25-09 04:35 AM   #190 
  - Hindsight is golden.....  blindpig   Nov-24-09 07:03 AM   #36 
  - To bad our emotions could not be triggered by a sense of justice towards  midnight   Nov-24-09 09:05 AM   #41 
  - +1  Echo In Light   Nov-24-09 09:07 AM   #42 
     - Way, way off topic here  NICO9000   Nov-24-09 02:23 PM   #86 
  - i love Naomi  optimator   Nov-24-09 09:11 AM   #43 
  - uh, duh. everything in a campaign is show business.  PHIMG   Nov-24-09 10:05 AM   #46 
  - k/r. Naomi Klein is quickly becoming one of my heroes. nt  Romulox   Nov-24-09 10:26 AM   #49 
  - me too  dana_b   Nov-24-09 12:40 PM   #68 
  - that "yes we can" video was an eery example of the cult of personality  paulsby   Nov-24-09 11:11 AM   #50 
  - I don't go much for media culture, but I admit it brought tears to my eyes  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 08:23 PM   #148 
     - i don't buy that for a second  paulsby   Nov-25-09 01:20 AM   #184 
  - Klein nails it as usual. n/t  greeneyedboy   Nov-24-09 11:11 AM   #51 
  - This is a surprise? Really? They used a modified Pepsi symbol for Chrissake.  Nikki Stone1   Nov-24-09 11:42 AM   #52 
  - Ditto with "change we can believe in"  Naturyl   Nov-24-09 11:44 AM   #53 
  - But what happens in a society if a large enough % choose to abide illusion/fantasy as "reality?"  Echo In Light   Nov-24-09 12:22 PM   #63 
  - You're looking at it. (n/t)  Naturyl   Nov-24-09 01:01 PM   #72 
     - You're soaking in it!  Echo In Light   Nov-24-09 01:19 PM   #75 
  - Lot's of Orwell in that one?  tranche   Nov-24-09 11:22 PM   #177 
  - Wow, what a brilliant insight!  Cessna Invesco Palin   Nov-24-09 11:53 AM   #57 
  - Not many people notice it  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 12:23 PM   #64 
  - And then when it is explained, many still vehemently deny it as a "conspiracy theory"  Echo In Light   Nov-24-09 12:41 PM   #69 
  - Really, how dumb do you have to be?  Cessna Invesco Palin   Nov-24-09 01:02 PM   #73 
     - People get sucked into the emotionalism  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 01:12 PM   #74 
        - Worse, and more deeply rooted yet, is the birth-on cultural indoctrination  Echo In Light   Nov-24-09 01:54 PM   #80 
           - Bingo  Naturyl   Nov-24-09 05:00 PM   #123 
  - No, it is recognizing that a DEMOCRATIC candidate used marketing cynically. That *is* a change.  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 08:26 PM   #150 
     - No it isn't new.  Cessna Invesco Palin   Nov-24-09 09:09 PM   #161 
  - Just read Naomi Klein's insightful incredible book-you will understand more than you want to believe  LaPera   Nov-24-09 12:07 PM   #60 
  - No Logo or Shock Doctrine?  dana_b   Nov-24-09 12:42 PM   #70 
  - Not really a new insight. who didnt know this? Obama himself said  cadmium   Nov-24-09 12:19 PM   #62 
  - Not new, but it needs to be addressed and talked about  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 12:28 PM   #65 
  - Naomi Klein isn't really making any new insights here.  tranche   Nov-24-09 11:24 PM   #179 
  - But what happens when he no longer allows us access to the slate?  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 08:27 PM   #151 
  - Of course it was branding. What else is a political campaign? That was obvious from the start.  Unvanguard   Nov-24-09 12:32 PM   #66 
  - Did you read about how this kind of marketing *replaces* social change?  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 08:31 PM   #152 
  - M$M riding Obama's coattails, patting themselves on the back, pitching their supposed clout. nt  phasma ex machina   Nov-24-09 12:34 PM   #67 
  - k & r! Klein always sorts out the nitty gritty. n/t  truedelphi   Nov-24-09 12:58 PM   #71 
  - What a bunch of bullshit. This is insightful?  NYC Liberal   Nov-24-09 01:44 PM   #77 
  - So please enumerate how the President is reachng out to the base? Isn't that what the "we" is?  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 08:32 PM   #154 
  - You think "Yes WE Can" referred to only the base?  NYC Liberal   Nov-25-09 06:46 AM   #197 
  - You are so right.  Enthusiast   Nov-25-09 04:48 AM   #193 
  - Well, duh! n/t  pleah   Nov-24-09 01:56 PM   #82 
  - And this is supposed to be some sort of revelation?  Javaman   Nov-24-09 02:03 PM   #83 
  - Xe = disappearing Blackwater  omega minimo   Nov-24-09 02:04 PM   #84 
  - Klein gets it.  burning rain   Nov-24-09 02:17 PM   #85 
  - I feel like I've been bambozzeled  N_E_1 for Tennis   Nov-24-09 02:44 PM   #89 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-09 02:53 PM   #94 
  - Politicians have always used slogans and we are in a new era of synergy between corporations and gov  omega minimo   Nov-24-09 03:13 PM   #96 
  - The theory of the hour--emotions can be power  Kolesar   Nov-24-09 03:24 PM   #97 
     - In politics they are used to manipulate people and drive votes, not "good decisions"  omega minimo   Nov-24-09 03:32 PM   #98 
  - I was saying something similar during the primaries.  jsamuel   Nov-24-09 03:32 PM   #99 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Nov-24-09 03:34 PM   #100 
  - ".....but, yet, doesn't quite say anything." yup. nt  jonnyblitz   Nov-24-09 03:36 PM   #102 
  - If you picked your candidate based on marketing you are a fool  Egnever   Nov-24-09 03:40 PM   #103 
  - Of course it was! All political slogans are marketing ploys!  Taverner   Nov-24-09 03:41 PM   #105 
  - Well, duh.  Lex   Nov-24-09 03:45 PM   #108 
  - Why is it that America seems frozen in time, no matter who the president is?  Politicub   Nov-24-09 03:47 PM   #109 
  - I Like Ike!  otohara   Nov-24-09 03:51 PM   #110 
  - K & R.....  winyanstaz   Nov-24-09 03:57 PM   #111 
  - We are the rabble, are we roused?  grahamhgreen   Nov-24-09 04:13 PM   #112 
  - Obamas initial coming out speech  bkozumplik   Nov-24-09 04:16 PM   #113 
  - I would just be happy with the "across the isle" Obama approach. If he only reached out to his base  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 08:45 PM   #155 
  - I can see why people who were silly enough to vote based on a slogan are so bitter now  ecstatic   Nov-24-09 04:18 PM   #114 
  - No, but it was...  newtothegame   Nov-24-09 04:19 PM   #115 
  - yes we can pretend we support civil rights  pollo poco   Nov-24-09 09:32 PM   #163 
  - blame will.i.am  lxlxlxl   Nov-24-09 04:42 PM   #118 
  - I actually thought it was well done. What makes it empty is that it is not representative  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 08:47 PM   #156 
  - Coltrane: YEA! will.i.am: NAY!  PM Martin   Nov-24-09 09:50 PM   #169 
  - Anyone who had studied  femrap   Nov-24-09 05:14 PM   #124 
  - Obama should be buying off the troublesome Senators with pork spending they can take home..  Kolesar   Nov-24-09 07:53 PM   #142 
     - Yeah, we really need Senators  femrap   Nov-24-09 08:59 PM   #160 
  - Love Naomi Klein...  mirrera   Nov-24-09 05:47 PM   #129 
  - This is kind of what the wingnuts say. That Obama is a cult celebrity.  emulatorloo   Nov-24-09 06:15 PM   #132 
  - Oh, someone's got something on her/she sold out/she didn't get her pony/she  closeupready   Nov-24-09 07:16 PM   #139 
  - They key paragraph in that clip, for me, is this:  Stinky The Clown   Nov-24-09 07:33 PM   #140 
  - nothing new, really  seeinfweggos   Nov-24-09 08:00 PM   #143 
  - here is  thegoodfight   Nov-24-09 08:22 PM   #147 
  - It takes a really rich President, like FDR or JFK to implement real change.  DailyGrind51   Nov-24-09 08:32 PM   #153 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-24-09 09:17 PM   #162 
  - Naomi Klein is a pig.  imdjh   Nov-24-09 09:39 PM   #165 
  - Well thought out remark, LOL  Go2Peace   Nov-24-09 09:41 PM   #166 
  - I've been dying to say it all day. Who knew an opportunity with impunity would show up?  imdjh   Nov-24-09 09:46 PM   #168 
  - Wonderful. The last word.  RufusTFirefly   Nov-24-09 11:08 PM   #175 
  - I must recomend this one.  PM Martin   Nov-24-09 09:45 PM   #167 
  - I see it as you do, PM Martin. nt  Enthusiast   Nov-25-09 04:56 AM   #194 
  - I like Klein, but don't always agree with her  davidpdx   Nov-24-09 10:13 PM   #170 
  - Kicking in order to come back to this.  BrklynLiberal   Nov-24-09 10:30 PM   #172 
  - I have a lot of respect for Naomi Kline, but I don't know about this...  budkin   Nov-24-09 10:37 PM   #173 
  - "It's Morning in America"  nevergiveup   Nov-24-09 11:05 PM   #174 
  - Naomi Klein discovers the campaign slogan!  tranche   Nov-24-09 11:26 PM   #180 
  - It's easy to blame Obama for the lack of change when Congress is the real problem.  stopbush   Nov-25-09 12:39 AM   #181 
  - He lost that support the minute he closed the grassroots out of government  Go2Peace   Nov-25-09 12:53 AM   #183 
  - Ploy...  BillDU   Nov-25-09 01:22 AM   #185 
  - Repugs  BillDU   Nov-25-09 01:24 AM   #186 
  - Sorry.  BillDU   Nov-25-09 01:26 AM   #187 
  - Glad Naomi Klein is speaking out about this, though some of us have been saying this all along.  earth mom   Nov-25-09 01:50 AM   #188 
  - Did anyone ever consider  Enthusiast   Nov-25-09 04:10 AM   #189 
  - No!  BillDU   Nov-25-09 11:53 PM   #199 
 

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