| 14. That is not "change" then. The nation does not need another corporate market lie |
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Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 05:54 AM by Go2Peace
I refuse to believe what you just said was true. Because that simply is not acceptable. This is a democracy, what you just described is the head of a corporatocracy. I don't accept that, and still have hope he will wake up when here realizes what he is doing, because using marketing in place of substance is just another name for democratic corruption. We can NEVER let ourselves get to the place where that would be acceptable.
What is accepted in selling products is not acceptable for a just democracy. If you believe such marketing is acceptable your belief is part of why this country is falling apart.
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| -Naomi Klein: "Yes We Can" was a marketing ploy. Like a corporate "No Logo" |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:19 AM |
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The unrec's start. Don't like Naomi Kline? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:24 AM |
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24 hours from now UnRecs won't make a bit of difference, but kicks will. |
elocs |
Nov-24-09 05:39 AM |
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Be careful. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-24-09 11:45 AM |
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The "unrec" crew tries to knock out a post early on. Those that are most critical of the party line |
Raster |
Nov-24-09 11:59 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-24-09 08:26 PM |
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linking to one of my old posts on the subject |
noamnety |
Nov-24-09 05:26 AM |
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It's significant, for good or bad |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:37 AM |
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As Ms. Klein said, |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 02:31 PM |
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Yes We Can was always a giant pile of bullshit |
Skittles |
Nov-24-09 05:30 AM |
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I still don't believe it was meant to be that, but it sure seems to begoing that direction |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:56 AM |
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Do you know how many Dems and Progressives were banned from DU for saying just that? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-24-09 11:44 AM |
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Just an FYI - |
pinto |
Nov-24-09 04:22 PM |
#116 |
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I'm not going to fight with a moderator, pinto |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-24-09 06:23 PM |
#133 |
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I disagree as well |
Eric68601 |
Nov-25-09 12:42 AM |
#182 |
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try posting something on the bilderbergs-they swoop in and delete that real quick |
natrat |
Nov-25-09 04:41 AM |
#191 |
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You're right... |
femrap |
Nov-24-09 05:17 PM |
#125 |
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I fell in line. I am so ashamed of myself. I joined the hope train and I knew better |
debbierlus |
Nov-24-09 05:42 PM |
#128 |
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So apparently on Election Night the message became "Yes We Did" |
truedelphi |
Nov-24-09 01:38 PM |
#76 |
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I agree |
backtomn |
Nov-24-09 01:50 PM |
#78 |
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+1 |
MissDeeds |
Nov-24-09 03:34 PM |
#101 |
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"yes, we can" = "NAFTA, We Have To" |
amborin |
Nov-24-09 06:42 PM |
#137 |
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It's called a campaign slogan dumbass. |
tranche |
Nov-24-09 11:20 PM |
#176 |
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Very interesting analysis |
Bonn1997 |
Nov-24-09 05:35 AM |
#4 |
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Sooner or later, they all begin to take themselves |
Solomon |
Nov-24-09 04:50 PM |
#121 |
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She has earned her credibility. |
Mithreal |
Nov-25-09 05:06 AM |
#196 |
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Fuel efficiency standards, funding for renewable energy, withdrawl from Iraq... |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 05:36 AM |
#5 |
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re: Fuel efficiency standards, funding for renewable energy, withdrawl from Iraq... |
thenam |
Nov-24-09 05:42 AM |
#8 |
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The kind of withdrawal where more mercenaries are hired |
Mithreal |
Nov-24-09 05:00 PM |
#122 |
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Just for the record, these "contractors" are not necessarily even Americans. Many of them |
bertman |
Nov-24-09 10:14 PM |
#171 |
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can't wait for "private security forces" to be unleashed domestically, happy times |
natrat |
Nov-25-09 04:43 AM |
#192 |
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..withdrawal from Iraq, ESCALATION IN AFGHANISTAN..... |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-24-09 05:45 AM |
#10 |
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Obama has not announced anything about Afghanistan yet |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 06:04 AM |
#16 |
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How would "grooming" possibly be relevant to anything? |
Naturyl |
Nov-24-09 11:49 AM |
#56 |
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UH, I Think An Announcement Has Just Been Leaked To David Shuster... |
ChiciB1 |
Nov-24-09 03:40 PM |
#104 |
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Oh please |
MissDeeds |
Nov-24-09 03:42 PM |
#106 |
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What withdrawal from Iraq?? |
backtomn |
Nov-24-09 01:55 PM |
#81 |
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That is good policy, but not "Change" in the way it was presented, regardless, will he LISTEN and |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:45 AM |
#11 |
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He killed that antimissile program that was a huge irritation for the Russians |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 06:07 AM |
#17 |
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We can't print that much $$$$ to |
femrap |
Nov-24-09 05:21 PM |
#126 |
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You left out, "Replacing troops with private contractors." |
Luminous Animal |
Nov-24-09 09:44 AM |
#44 |
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Not to mention the fact that he is simply following Bush's timetable |
kenny blankenship |
Nov-24-09 12:01 PM |
#59 |
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Wowsers.... |
twitfinder |
Nov-24-09 08:53 PM |
#157 |
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Hello???? |
backtomn |
Nov-24-09 01:53 PM |
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Hello???? |
backtomn |
Nov-24-09 01:53 PM |
#79 |
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you're kidding, right? |
amborin |
Nov-24-09 06:41 PM |
#136 |
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You haven't a clue what you are talking about eom |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 07:49 PM |
#141 |
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certainly applies to you! you have no idea what you're talking about |
amborin |
Nov-24-09 08:57 PM |
#159 |
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Of course it was, and I feel for people that never saw it coming |
bridgit |
Nov-24-09 05:44 AM |
#9 |
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I haven't completely given up |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:47 AM |
#12 |
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Me neither, and it is because he is an intelligent man... |
bridgit |
Nov-24-09 06:08 AM |
#18 |
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Speaking of Grey Men... |
snake in the grass |
Nov-24-09 06:54 PM |
#138 |
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I'm still hoping that after the current market bubble bursts, |
alterfurz |
Nov-24-09 12:16 PM |
#61 |
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There is? |
Naturyl |
Nov-24-09 04:49 PM |
#120 |
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just saying that if depression does deepen further, |
alterfurz |
Nov-24-09 06:34 PM |
#134 |
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And we are surprised because? |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-24-09 05:48 AM |
#13 |
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That is not "change" then. The nation does not need another corporate market lie |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 05:53 AM |
#14 |
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Marketing or messaging...semantics. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-24-09 06:18 AM |
#23 |
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No, "Marketing", when applied heavily to the Political world, is another name for PROPAGANDA |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:26 AM |
#25 |
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Meh. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-24-09 06:44 AM |
#29 |
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Actually, we have a far larger propaganda budget than the USSR ever had |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:54 AM |
#33 |
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dup |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:54 AM |
#34 |
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All we would ask.. |
sendero |
Nov-24-09 06:49 AM |
#32 |
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The republicons are... |
butterfly77 |
Nov-25-09 04:24 PM |
#198 |
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Unrec for the lugubrious malaise...eom |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 06:11 AM |
#19 |
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The choice between cynicism and hope is yours |
willing dwarf |
Nov-24-09 06:13 AM |
#20 |
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He WAS connecting at the grassroots. He ASKS of the grassroots, but he is not LISTENING |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:28 AM |
#26 |
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Looks like he used the grassroots but answers to corporate America. nt |
polichick |
Nov-24-09 06:49 AM |
#31 |
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It looks like that, but I still do believe he will change direction once the pressure builds enough |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 07:05 AM |
#37 |
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Here's an interesting piece that talks about Obama supporters... |
polichick |
Nov-24-09 10:09 AM |
#47 |
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YES INDEED! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-24-09 09:51 AM |
#45 |
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+100 At Least! I Feel "Used" Because I Worked So Hard To Get Him |
ChiciB1 |
Nov-24-09 03:43 PM |
#107 |
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The third option is objectivity |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 02:45 PM |
#90 |
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Well said |
willing dwarf |
Nov-24-09 04:49 PM |
#119 |
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I don't know if any of us have any idea |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 08:54 PM |
#158 |
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I don't mean to break your heart, friend, but here is how it really is. |
StreetKnowledge |
Nov-24-09 05:38 PM |
#127 |
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You can choose to believe or not believe in the words, |
pundaint |
Nov-24-09 05:47 PM |
#130 |
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yea dem turnout will be abysmal and independents won't go dem likely |
natrat |
Nov-25-09 04:57 AM |
#195 |
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Oh Noes!1!! Obama used a campaign slogan!!1! Impeach him already!!!!11 |
HamdenRice |
Nov-24-09 06:14 AM |
#21 |
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Nope, you are not listening. slogans are not "change" |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:21 AM |
#24 |
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"People want politics to change, not just policies" -- ROFL! |
HamdenRice |
Nov-24-09 06:30 AM |
#27 |
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You can't give Obama any credit |
Johonny |
Nov-24-09 10:16 AM |
#48 |
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So, they have discovered |
quaker bill |
Nov-24-09 06:15 AM |
#22 |
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That happens whenever a democrat gets elected, it is not part of "change" |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 06:39 AM |
#28 |
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Impeachment "Off The Table" was a huge clue that not much was going to change.... |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 02:52 PM |
#93 |
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Many people on this board |
quaker bill |
Nov-24-09 09:38 PM |
#164 |
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➔BIngo |
Agony |
Nov-24-09 11:22 PM |
#178 |
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Not Enough Ponies Fast Enough... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-24-09 06:46 AM |
#30 |
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No, too much throwing the grassroots under the bus. The time is on to put us at the table. That |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 07:00 AM |
#35 |
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An Interesting Question... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-24-09 07:16 AM |
#38 |
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You have a mighty strange definition of "under the bus" |
JoeyT |
Nov-24-09 02:51 PM |
#92 |
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that also happened after the last time |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 02:56 PM |
#95 |
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The Pitfalls of Being A Majority Party... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-24-09 04:41 PM |
#117 |
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We still have the unitary executive |
dotymed |
Nov-24-09 06:03 PM |
#131 |
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Kucinich Doesn't Speak For All... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-24-09 06:34 PM |
#135 |
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I could accept that *if* Obama was listening and allowing the grassroots a voice |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:10 PM |
#144 |
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*sigh* |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-24-09 07:23 AM |
#39 |
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I get it. Sorry. I now see we are saying similar things. |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:14 PM |
#145 |
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Do you really think you are the "grassroots"? |
HamdenRice |
Nov-24-09 07:32 AM |
#40 |
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And what does that giant, diverse group want? |
Lautremont |
Nov-24-09 02:32 PM |
#88 |
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Yep. Those people elected him alright. |
JoeyT |
Nov-24-09 02:46 PM |
#91 |
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And what makes you think that doesn't represent me, because it does, more than you know |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:17 PM |
#146 |
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A solid majority |
Enthusiast |
Nov-25-09 04:35 AM |
#190 |
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Hindsight is golden..... |
blindpig |
Nov-24-09 07:03 AM |
#36 |
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To bad our emotions could not be triggered by a sense of justice towards |
midnight |
Nov-24-09 09:05 AM |
#41 |
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+1 |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-09 09:07 AM |
#42 |
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Way, way off topic here |
NICO9000 |
Nov-24-09 02:23 PM |
#86 |
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i love Naomi |
optimator |
Nov-24-09 09:11 AM |
#43 |
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uh, duh. everything in a campaign is show business. |
PHIMG |
Nov-24-09 10:05 AM |
#46 |
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k/r. Naomi Klein is quickly becoming one of my heroes. nt |
Romulox |
Nov-24-09 10:26 AM |
#49 |
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me too |
dana_b |
Nov-24-09 12:40 PM |
#68 |
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that "yes we can" video was an eery example of the cult of personality |
paulsby |
Nov-24-09 11:11 AM |
#50 |
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I don't go much for media culture, but I admit it brought tears to my eyes |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:23 PM |
#148 |
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i don't buy that for a second |
paulsby |
Nov-25-09 01:20 AM |
#184 |
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Klein nails it as usual. n/t |
greeneyedboy |
Nov-24-09 11:11 AM |
#51 |
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This is a surprise? Really? They used a modified Pepsi symbol for Chrissake. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-24-09 11:42 AM |
#52 |
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Ditto with "change we can believe in" |
Naturyl |
Nov-24-09 11:44 AM |
#53 |
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But what happens in a society if a large enough % choose to abide illusion/fantasy as "reality?" |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-09 12:22 PM |
#63 |
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You're looking at it. (n/t) |
Naturyl |
Nov-24-09 01:01 PM |
#72 |
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You're soaking in it! |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-09 01:19 PM |
#75 |
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Lot's of Orwell in that one? |
tranche |
Nov-24-09 11:22 PM |
#177 |
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Wow, what a brilliant insight! |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Nov-24-09 11:53 AM |
#57 |
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Not many people notice it |
rollingrock |
Nov-24-09 12:23 PM |
#64 |
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And then when it is explained, many still vehemently deny it as a "conspiracy theory" |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-09 12:41 PM |
#69 |
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Really, how dumb do you have to be? |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Nov-24-09 01:02 PM |
#73 |
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People get sucked into the emotionalism |
rollingrock |
Nov-24-09 01:12 PM |
#74 |
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Worse, and more deeply rooted yet, is the birth-on cultural indoctrination |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-09 01:54 PM |
#80 |
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Bingo |
Naturyl |
Nov-24-09 05:00 PM |
#123 |
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No, it is recognizing that a DEMOCRATIC candidate used marketing cynically. That *is* a change. |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:26 PM |
#150 |
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No it isn't new. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Nov-24-09 09:09 PM |
#161 |
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Just read Naomi Klein's insightful incredible book-you will understand more than you want to believe |
LaPera |
Nov-24-09 12:07 PM |
#60 |
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No Logo or Shock Doctrine? |
dana_b |
Nov-24-09 12:42 PM |
#70 |
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Not really a new insight. who didnt know this? Obama himself said |
cadmium |
Nov-24-09 12:19 PM |
#62 |
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Not new, but it needs to be addressed and talked about |
rollingrock |
Nov-24-09 12:28 PM |
#65 |
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Naomi Klein isn't really making any new insights here. |
tranche |
Nov-24-09 11:24 PM |
#179 |
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But what happens when he no longer allows us access to the slate? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:27 PM |
#151 |
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Of course it was branding. What else is a political campaign? That was obvious from the start. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-24-09 12:32 PM |
#66 |
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Did you read about how this kind of marketing *replaces* social change? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:31 PM |
#152 |
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M$M riding Obama's coattails, patting themselves on the back, pitching their supposed clout. nt |
phasma ex machina |
Nov-24-09 12:34 PM |
#67 |
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k & r! Klein always sorts out the nitty gritty. n/t |
truedelphi |
Nov-24-09 12:58 PM |
#71 |
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What a bunch of bullshit. This is insightful? |
NYC Liberal |
Nov-24-09 01:44 PM |
#77 |
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So please enumerate how the President is reachng out to the base? Isn't that what the "we" is? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:32 PM |
#154 |
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You think "Yes WE Can" referred to only the base? |
NYC Liberal |
Nov-25-09 06:46 AM |
#197 |
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You are so right. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-25-09 04:48 AM |
#193 |
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Well, duh! n/t |
pleah |
Nov-24-09 01:56 PM |
#82 |
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And this is supposed to be some sort of revelation? |
Javaman |
Nov-24-09 02:03 PM |
#83 |
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Xe = disappearing Blackwater |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 02:04 PM |
#84 |
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Klein gets it. |
burning rain |
Nov-24-09 02:17 PM |
#85 |
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I feel like I've been bambozzeled |
N_E_1 for Tennis |
Nov-24-09 02:44 PM |
#89 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-24-09 02:53 PM |
#94 |
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Politicians have always used slogans and we are in a new era of synergy between corporations and gov |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 03:13 PM |
#96 |
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The theory of the hour--emotions can be power |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 03:24 PM |
#97 |
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In politics they are used to manipulate people and drive votes, not "good decisions" |
omega minimo |
Nov-24-09 03:32 PM |
#98 |
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I was saying something similar during the primaries. |
jsamuel |
Nov-24-09 03:32 PM |
#99 |
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K & R |
democracy1st |
Nov-24-09 03:34 PM |
#100 |
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".....but, yet, doesn't quite say anything." yup. nt |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-24-09 03:36 PM |
#102 |
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If you picked your candidate based on marketing you are a fool |
Egnever |
Nov-24-09 03:40 PM |
#103 |
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Of course it was! All political slogans are marketing ploys! |
Taverner |
Nov-24-09 03:41 PM |
#105 |
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Well, duh. |
Lex |
Nov-24-09 03:45 PM |
#108 |
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Why is it that America seems frozen in time, no matter who the president is? |
Politicub |
Nov-24-09 03:47 PM |
#109 |
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I Like Ike! |
otohara |
Nov-24-09 03:51 PM |
#110 |
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K & R..... |
winyanstaz |
Nov-24-09 03:57 PM |
#111 |
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We are the rabble, are we roused? |
grahamhgreen |
Nov-24-09 04:13 PM |
#112 |
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Obamas initial coming out speech |
bkozumplik |
Nov-24-09 04:16 PM |
#113 |
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I would just be happy with the "across the isle" Obama approach. If he only reached out to his base |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:45 PM |
#155 |
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I can see why people who were silly enough to vote based on a slogan are so bitter now |
ecstatic |
Nov-24-09 04:18 PM |
#114 |
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No, but it was... |
newtothegame |
Nov-24-09 04:19 PM |
#115 |
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yes we can pretend we support civil rights |
pollo poco |
Nov-24-09 09:32 PM |
#163 |
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blame will.i.am |
lxlxlxl |
Nov-24-09 04:42 PM |
#118 |
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I actually thought it was well done. What makes it empty is that it is not representative |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 08:47 PM |
#156 |
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Coltrane: YEA! will.i.am: NAY! |
PM Martin |
Nov-24-09 09:50 PM |
#169 |
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Anyone who had studied |
femrap |
Nov-24-09 05:14 PM |
#124 |
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Obama should be buying off the troublesome Senators with pork spending they can take home.. |
Kolesar |
Nov-24-09 07:53 PM |
#142 |
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Yeah, we really need Senators |
femrap |
Nov-24-09 08:59 PM |
#160 |
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Love Naomi Klein... |
mirrera |
Nov-24-09 05:47 PM |
#129 |
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This is kind of what the wingnuts say. That Obama is a cult celebrity. |
emulatorloo |
Nov-24-09 06:15 PM |
#132 |
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Oh, someone's got something on her/she sold out/she didn't get her pony/she |
closeupready |
Nov-24-09 07:16 PM |
#139 |
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They key paragraph in that clip, for me, is this: |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-24-09 07:33 PM |
#140 |
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nothing new, really |
seeinfweggos |
Nov-24-09 08:00 PM |
#143 |
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here is |
thegoodfight |
Nov-24-09 08:22 PM |
#147 |
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It takes a really rich President, like FDR or JFK to implement real change. |
DailyGrind51 |
Nov-24-09 08:32 PM |
#153 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-24-09 09:17 PM |
#162 |
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Naomi Klein is a pig. |
imdjh |
Nov-24-09 09:39 PM |
#165 |
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Well thought out remark, LOL |
Go2Peace |
Nov-24-09 09:41 PM |
#166 |
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I've been dying to say it all day. Who knew an opportunity with impunity would show up? |
imdjh |
Nov-24-09 09:46 PM |
#168 |
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Wonderful. The last word. |
RufusTFirefly |
Nov-24-09 11:08 PM |
#175 |
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I must recomend this one. |
PM Martin |
Nov-24-09 09:45 PM |
#167 |
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I see it as you do, PM Martin. nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-25-09 04:56 AM |
#194 |
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I like Klein, but don't always agree with her |
davidpdx |
Nov-24-09 10:13 PM |
#170 |
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Kicking in order to come back to this. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-24-09 10:30 PM |
#172 |
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I have a lot of respect for Naomi Kline, but I don't know about this... |
budkin |
Nov-24-09 10:37 PM |
#173 |
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"It's Morning in America" |
nevergiveup |
Nov-24-09 11:05 PM |
#174 |
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Naomi Klein discovers the campaign slogan! |
tranche |
Nov-24-09 11:26 PM |
#180 |
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It's easy to blame Obama for the lack of change when Congress is the real problem. |
stopbush |
Nov-25-09 12:39 AM |
#181 |
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He lost that support the minute he closed the grassroots out of government |
Go2Peace |
Nov-25-09 12:53 AM |
#183 |
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Ploy... |
BillDU |
Nov-25-09 01:22 AM |
#185 |
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Repugs |
BillDU |
Nov-25-09 01:24 AM |
#186 |
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Sorry. |
BillDU |
Nov-25-09 01:26 AM |
#187 |
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Glad Naomi Klein is speaking out about this, though some of us have been saying this all along. |
earth mom |
Nov-25-09 01:50 AM |
#188 |
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Did anyone ever consider |
Enthusiast |
Nov-25-09 04:10 AM |
#189 |
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No! |
BillDU |
Nov-25-09 11:53 PM |
#199 |
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