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guyton Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:30 PM
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13. Liquid battery big enough for the electric grid?
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Liquid battery big enough for the electric grid?

Theres one major drawback to most proposed renewable-energy sources: their variability. The sun doesnt shine at night, the wind doesnt always blow, and tides, waves and currents fluctuate. Thats why many researchers have been pursuing ways of storing the power generated by these sources so that it can be used when its needed.

So far, those solutions have tended to be too expensive, limited to only certain areas, or difficult to scale up sufficiently to meet the demands. Many researchers are struggling to overcome these limitations, but MIT professor Donald Sadoway has come up with an innovative approach that has garnered significant interest and some major funding.

The idea is to build an entirely new kind of battery, whose key components would be kept at high temperature so that they would stay entirely in liquid form. The experimental devices currently being tested in Sadoways lab work in a way thats never been attempted in batteries before.


Most battery research, Sadoway says, has been aimed at improving storage for portable or mobile systems such as cellphones, computers and cars. The requirements for such systems, including very low weight and high safety, are very different from the needs of a grid-scale, fixed-location battery system. What I did was completely ignore the conventional technology used for portable power, he says. The different set of requirements for stationary systems opens up a whole new range of possibilities.

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  -We almost can store solar energy for when the sun doesn't shine--Daniel G. Nocera, MIT Professor francolettieri  Nov-22-09 09:59 AM   #0 
  - Sustainability YES!  lonestarnot   Nov-22-09 10:01 AM   #1 
  - +1  Liberal_in_LA   Nov-23-09 02:21 AM   #17 
  - Energy Storage is not just for Solar. Wind and Hydro, even Nuclear, need Storage Solutions.  NYC_SKP   Nov-22-09 10:05 AM   #2 
  - We can already store energy. It's called batteries. Something the naysayers  kestrel91316   Nov-22-09 10:19 AM   #3 
  - Sounds like you should write that up nd submit it to  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-22-09 10:25 AM   #4 
  - Yes, but it sounds like these fuel cells can sustain their power longer than a battery bank  MadHound   Nov-22-09 10:36 AM   #5 
     - Then that's definitely an improvement. I just get tired of people proclaiming endlessly that  kestrel91316   Nov-22-09 10:44 PM   #6 
  - Didn't you already post this and were asked for a link?  csziggy   Nov-22-09 10:46 PM   #7 
  - Here's a link  alfredo   Nov-22-09 11:00 PM   #10 
     - Thank you - interesting technology that I hope pans out.  csziggy   Nov-22-09 11:47 PM   #15 
        - I want that technology invented here. Climate change deniers are trying to  alfredo   Nov-23-09 12:07 PM   #19 
  - Hate to ask, but is there a link?  stevedeshazer   Nov-22-09 10:55 PM   #8 
  - See my reply #10.  alfredo   Nov-23-09 12:08 PM   #20 
  - ""That's why I know this is going to work. It's so easy to implement," he said...."  dysfunctional press   Nov-22-09 10:59 PM   #9 
  - from July 31, 2008 (and a link)  guyton   Nov-22-09 11:03 PM   #11 
  - Here's the link that people are asking for.  drm604   Nov-22-09 11:12 PM   #12 
  - Liquid battery big enough for the electric grid?  guyton   Nov-22-09 11:30 PM   #13 
  - Link to Daniel G. Nocera's 23 Sept 2009 Paper in Inorganic Chemistry ....  BrotherLove   Nov-22-09 11:34 PM   #14 
  - Not really storage, this is converion to another form, hydrogen energy  JCMach1   Nov-23-09 02:18 AM   #16 
  - Just imagine how far along we would be, if we had not wasted all that money on wars  SoCalDem   Nov-23-09 02:21 AM   #18 
     - If country had listened to Jimmy Carter back in 1977 we would have the technology  csziggy   Nov-23-09 01:15 PM   #21 

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