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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 04:46 AM
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105. Do you have a link?
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 04:55 AM by HamdenRice
I'd be interested in seeing their opinion. Because the doctors I know here in NYC are cautiously supportive of the current rules just because of the extremely high prevalence of HIV in the gay community -- about 1 in 6 gay men being HIV+ here, with infection rates actually, unfortunately, rising.

I know activists want the exclusion overturned, but I can't find any news stories or sources about scientists and doctors wanting it overturned.

Thanks in advance for any links you can provide.
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  -Today I was prevented from saving a life Pab Sungenis  Nov-21-09 10:09 PM   #0 
  - K&R  Skittles   Nov-21-09 10:11 PM   #1 
  - Yep. It is insane. Plenty of risky behavior among the whole population that's not excluded.  havocmom   Nov-21-09 10:15 PM   #3 
     - I understood the original exclusion, when much was unknown  Skittles   Nov-21-09 10:29 PM   #10 
        - Yep  havocmom   Nov-21-09 10:56 PM   #17 
  - I am so sorry you were stopped...  CaliforniaPeggy   Nov-21-09 10:14 PM   #2 
  - K&R  Irishonly   Nov-21-09 10:16 PM   #4 
  - Stupid of me to suggest perhapsebecause I'm not gay but  napi21   Nov-21-09 10:19 PM   #5 
  - Like I said, the recipient's mother who was running the table knew us very well.  Pab Sungenis   Nov-21-09 10:48 PM   #14 
  - That or don't you really think the mother would have kept quiet  napi21   Nov-21-09 10:53 PM   #16 
  - Rimshot.  OnyxCollie   Nov-21-09 11:01 PM   #18 
  - I need to look on the bright side of this all  Pab Sungenis   Nov-21-09 11:02 PM   #19 
     - I'm sorry and I concur.  OnyxCollie   Nov-21-09 11:16 PM   #23 
     - Jimmy Buffet had it right.  Pab Sungenis   Nov-21-09 11:17 PM   #24 
     - Can you go somewhere else, separately and say you're straight?  Maraya1969   Nov-22-09 03:47 AM   #41 
     - This is unbelievable  malaise   Nov-22-09 08:54 AM   #63 
  - Ok that was funny.  SmileyRose   Nov-21-09 11:47 PM   #32 
  - Frank DeCaro put it best.  Pab Sungenis   Nov-22-09 08:40 AM   #60 
  - DUzy. nt  Dead_Parrot   Nov-22-09 04:11 AM   #42 
  - lol  barbtries   Nov-22-09 06:16 AM   #47 
  - You Should Not Have to Treat Being Gay Like a Dirty Secret In Order to Save a Life.  Toasterlad   Nov-22-09 01:03 AM   #36 
  - k and r--thank you for posting this-the short-sighted stupidity of the medical system is almost  niyad   Nov-21-09 10:19 PM   #6 
  - k & r  abelenkpe   Nov-21-09 10:20 PM   #7 
  - This is crazy.  Rick Myers   Nov-21-09 10:20 PM   #8 
  - there is so much of this crap in every dept in the government  madrchsod   Nov-21-09 10:24 PM   #9 
  - "young black women"  omega minimo   Nov-21-09 10:37 PM   #11 
  - Exactly.  Pab Sungenis   Nov-21-09 10:49 PM   #15 
  - Not.  omega minimo   Nov-21-09 11:21 PM   #26 
     - how about, god forbid, some STATISTICS  paulsby   Nov-22-09 05:15 AM   #43 
     - I agree completely. It veered off to gratuitous and actually factually inaccurate issues  HamdenRice   Nov-22-09 06:00 AM   #45 
     - With respect to bone marrow donations  Ms. Toad   Nov-22-09 08:30 AM   #56 
        - Sorry, I meant I cannot donate blood. I never tried to register to donate marrow. nt  HamdenRice   Nov-22-09 08:33 AM   #57 
           - I was just clarifying - not criticizing  Ms. Toad   Nov-22-09 08:49 AM   #62 
     - HIV/AIDS is the number one cause of death for African American  Bluenorthwest   Nov-22-09 06:39 AM   #48 
        - Misleading statistic and an erroneous overall view of the prevalence of the disease  HamdenRice   Nov-22-09 07:50 AM   #52 
        - Please don't project  omega minimo   Nov-22-09 02:36 PM   #89 
  - Yes, young black women.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-21-09 11:34 PM   #28 
     - and the subtext  omega minimo   Nov-21-09 11:40 PM   #29 
  - K&R nt  PJPhreak   Nov-21-09 10:39 PM   #12 
  - Congress members have a riskier lifestyle than most gay men these days  csziggy   Nov-21-09 10:46 PM   #13 
  - Was "Went to a whore house in Thailand." on there too?  imdjh   Nov-21-09 11:07 PM   #20 
  - Those guys are actually barred as well -  Ms. Toad   Nov-22-09 08:39 AM   #59 
     - lol So the Senate and their wives can't donate. (Say it like Caligula, is sounds more dramatic.)  imdjh   Nov-22-09 08:07 PM   #98 
  - What a ridiculous situation.  stevedeshazer   Nov-21-09 11:11 PM   #21 
  - It is past time for some sanity to return to our nation....  winyanstaz   Nov-21-09 11:14 PM   #22 
  - K and R. It's ridiculous.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-21-09 11:20 PM   #25 
  - I'm sorry you guys hit that wall. It's based on these guidelines from the CDC,  pinto   Nov-21-09 11:28 PM   #27 
  - Reaching for the health provider hat  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-21-09 11:42 PM   #30 
  - I Sure Hope You're Not a Health Provider In MY Area.  Toasterlad   Nov-22-09 01:11 AM   #37 
  - It is not what I believe. It is what the CDC believes  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-22-09 01:51 PM   #84 
     - The Red Cross Disagrees With You.  Toasterlad   Nov-22-09 07:58 PM   #96 
        - The ARC has been in the midst of a few scandals  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-22-09 09:23 PM   #99 
        - Ah, So You ARE Claiming To Be More Of An Expert On Keeping the Blood Supply Safe.  Toasterlad   Nov-22-09 10:21 PM   #102 
           - I wil repeat this, not me CDC  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-22-09 10:40 PM   #104 
        - The Red Cross wants to ban donations by all MSMs who are sexually active  HamdenRice   Nov-23-09 06:31 AM   #110 
  - So how do you explain the fact that while discriminating against  Bluenorthwest   Nov-22-09 06:54 AM   #49 
     - There's no comparison in terms of risk. Your stats are wrong. See post 52. nt  HamdenRice   Nov-22-09 08:27 AM   #55 
     - Do they take them from drug users? NO  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-22-09 01:53 PM   #85 
  - Damn! As far as I am concerned Bryan is your husband!  MadMaddie   Nov-21-09 11:44 PM   #31 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Nov-21-09 11:47 PM   #33 
  - I was 100% with you, until one paragraph:  Deja Q   Nov-21-09 11:48 PM   #34 
  - When the ban was instituted, there was no real test for the virus, itself  Warpy   Nov-22-09 12:54 AM   #35 
  - Exactly! In Norway, every new blood donor  KitSileya   Nov-22-09 03:00 AM   #38 
  - The "new sex partner" question is much more valid  Warpy   Nov-22-09 10:35 AM   #75 
     - Right.  Pab Sungenis   Nov-22-09 01:07 PM   #78 
  - Warpy- test not suffcient.  katkat   Nov-22-09 08:37 AM   #58 
     - That's as true for straight women  Warpy   Nov-22-09 10:34 AM   #74 
  - K&R  Vidar   Nov-22-09 03:04 AM   #39 
  - I can't recommend this post enough ...  NanceGreggs   Nov-22-09 03:08 AM   #40 
  - rational and eloquent  paulsby   Nov-22-09 05:18 AM   #44 
     - You need to use the old Google and educate youself  Bluenorthwest   Nov-22-09 07:05 AM   #50 
     - i am well aware of the history  paulsby   Nov-22-09 01:13 PM   #81 
     - For stats, see post 52 nt  HamdenRice   Nov-22-09 08:08 AM   #53 
        - thank you nt  paulsby   Nov-22-09 01:13 PM   #82 
  - you make really good points  barbtries   Nov-22-09 06:14 AM   #46 
  - There was a petition circulating about this time last year.  brewens   Nov-22-09 09:47 AM   #69 
     - There are so many questions that could better weed out the risks.  Pab Sungenis   Nov-22-09 01:18 PM   #83 
  - Sometimes the stupid is unbearable.  JNelson6563   Nov-22-09 07:19 AM   #51 
  - Recommended +1,000,000,000  graywarrior   Nov-22-09 08:20 AM   #54 
  - The testing process is not painful at all. It consists of...  brewens   Nov-22-09 08:46 AM   #61 
  - Hospitals deal with HIV+ patients  supernova   Nov-22-09 09:00 AM   #65 
     - Our concern is collecting as much blood as possible...  brewens   Nov-22-09 09:19 AM   #66 
        - No one is saying that people with AIDS or HIV should be donating  dsc   Nov-22-09 09:45 AM   #68 
           - The way we do it now is effective.  brewens   Nov-22-09 09:55 AM   #72 
              - I can tell you now that there are tons of gay men lying and giving blood  dsc   Nov-22-09 09:58 AM   #73 
              - As a Gay Male Who Is Not Celebate, You Have Classified Me As "High Risk".  Toasterlad   Nov-22-09 10:26 PM   #103 
                 - I didn't classify anybody as anything and I never referred specifically to gay males.  brewens   Nov-23-09 08:35 AM   #111 
  - Beautiful post  supernova   Nov-22-09 08:57 AM   #64 
  - I did ask his mother to look into it.  Pab Sungenis   Nov-22-09 01:12 PM   #80 
  - Obama could change this policy tomorrow  dsc   Nov-22-09 09:33 AM   #67 
  - No he couldn't and even if he could, shouldn't. Politicians making science policy?  HamdenRice   Nov-22-09 09:47 AM   #70 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-22-09 09:51 AM   #71 
     - Since bio-hazardious donations, such as blood, sperm, and bone marrow are tested for  ZombieHorde   Nov-22-09 10:55 AM   #76 
     - He could order that it be reviewed.  Pab Sungenis   Nov-22-09 01:08 PM   #79 
     - Scientists Are Asking for the Ban to Be Overturned, And Politicians Are Standing In the Way.  Toasterlad   Nov-22-09 08:03 PM   #97 
        - Do you have a link?  HamdenRice   Nov-23-09 04:46 AM   #105 
           - Here is a link, from one, count it one, google search  dsc   Nov-23-09 05:05 AM   #106 
              - Sorry, but that link doesn't support your argument at all  HamdenRice   Nov-23-09 05:33 AM   #109 
                 - that is what I have repeatedly advocated for, so stop lying about what I have said  dsc   Nov-23-09 11:09 AM   #114 
                    - Perhaps I misunderstood you. Most MSMs would still be excluded from giving blood  HamdenRice   Nov-23-09 11:21 AM   #116 
  - I always point that out when we have blood drives at work. Gay men are banned from  beyurslf   Nov-22-09 11:03 AM   #77 
  - My oldest and best friend  LWolf   Nov-22-09 01:54 PM   #86 
  - So only virgins who have lived in a plastic bubble all their lives should donate?  McCamy Taylor   Nov-22-09 02:20 PM   #87 
  - Completely Inane  colsohlibgal   Nov-22-09 02:26 PM   #88 
  - I was tested two weeks ago and they didn't ask me that question, plus  Bentcorner   Nov-22-09 03:15 PM   #90 
  - Interesting - I didn't remember any questions about sex partners  Ms. Toad   Nov-22-09 03:51 PM   #91 
  - Breaks my heart to read this  JustAnotherGen   Nov-22-09 04:39 PM   #92 
  - That is absolutely crazy.  Mad_Dem_X   Nov-22-09 07:39 PM   #93 
  - K&R  Luciferous   Nov-22-09 07:42 PM   #94 
  - I'm curious.  gorfle   Nov-22-09 07:55 PM   #95 
  - his point is monogomous same sex behavior is no more or less risky  dsc   Nov-23-09 05:24 AM   #108 
     - Same goes for drug use.  gorfle   Nov-23-09 09:54 AM   #113 
        - interveinous drug use is bad health wise in and of itself  dsc   Nov-23-09 11:11 AM   #115 
           - True.  gorfle   Nov-23-09 11:26 AM   #117 
  - Re: Today I was prevented....  kurtzapril4   Nov-22-09 09:30 PM   #100 
  - Probably had to put the clause for their insurance policy  marshall   Nov-22-09 09:53 PM   #101 
  - Welcome to statistics...nt  Lagomorph   Nov-23-09 05:21 AM   #107 
  - Hell,I should be on the top of the list-as a nurse  w8liftinglady   Nov-23-09 09:17 AM   #112 
  - Ridiculous!  latebloomer   Nov-23-09 11:38 AM   #118 
  - I've thought of this a couple of times when I've gone to give blood  yurbud   Nov-23-09 11:44 AM   #119 
     - I never said it was big-D Discrimination in the bigoted sense  Pab Sungenis   Nov-23-09 01:09 PM   #120 
        - I don't think it's discrimination out of bigotry but out of fear of lawyers  yurbud   Nov-23-09 03:01 PM   #121 
           - It's not the blood center, it's the FDA.  brewens   Nov-23-09 07:31 PM   #122 

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