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17. Why indeed? n/t
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  -Health Insurance Reform: The Enslavement of American Citizens to Corporate Rule debbierlus  Nov-21-09 03:32 PM   #0 
  - K & R  Dinger   Nov-21-09 03:33 PM   #1 
  - The Senate bill is substantially Kennedy's HELP committee version.  Davis_X_Machina   Nov-21-09 04:11 PM   #10 
  - Sorta  Oregone   Nov-21-09 04:28 PM   #11 
  - You think I care whose political name is stamped on this atrocity  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 04:34 PM   #13 
  - I thought it curious...  Davis_X_Machina   Nov-21-09 04:48 PM   #14 
  - Can I post this over at Daily Kos?  WattleBreakfast   Nov-21-09 11:27 PM   #63 
  - Agree. This is not personal, it's political. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-22-09 08:26 AM   #91 
  - Ted Kennedy was behind trucking and airline deregulation(1978)...  HDPaulG   Nov-22-09 01:05 AM   #83 
     - Indeed, where do people get the idea TK was not corporate-influenced?  Naturyl   Nov-22-09 12:12 PM   #122 
     - not to mention No Child Left Behind!  bbgrunt   Nov-22-09 03:06 PM   #146 
  - wow, I have to go 34 posts down bef. I get to anything remotely resembling a substantive reply.  snot   Nov-22-09 12:48 AM   #81 
  - Kick for visibility  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 03:38 PM   #2 
  - Thanks  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 03:48 PM   #3 
     - wow. I've never seen anyone kick, and then thank themselves for kicking their own thread!  BREMPRO   Nov-21-09 08:14 PM   #29 
        - funny  kid a   Nov-21-09 08:22 PM   #31 
        - +1  kid a   Nov-21-09 08:23 PM   #32 
        - Would you care to address the content of the post?  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 11:39 PM   #71 
           - did that first, you must have missed it...  BREMPRO   Nov-22-09 12:08 AM   #76 
  - It's a bailout of the insurance industry.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-21-09 03:55 PM   #4 
  - Bailouts are to be paid back  kenny blankenship   Nov-21-09 03:59 PM   #5 
  - Amen  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 04:49 PM   #15 
  - I would take issue with you only for describing this as "reform".  dflprincess   Nov-21-09 09:40 PM   #48 
  - I Understand There Will Be More Debate, However I'm Actually Afraid  ChiciB1   Nov-22-09 08:17 AM   #89 
  - and why we needed Dr. Dean in the WH administration  tooeyeten   Nov-22-09 12:21 PM   #126 
  - That's a laugh.  Political Heretic   Nov-21-09 10:26 PM   #55 
  - Nice one Kitty...  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 04:32 PM   #12 
  - No, it's not a bailout. It's just adding to their overflowing coffers on the blood sweat  OmmmSweetOmmm   Nov-22-09 10:10 AM   #98 
  - Voice of Reason  yui   Nov-21-09 03:59 PM   #6 
  - K&R...  KansDem   Nov-21-09 04:08 PM   #9 
  - look how many people thought bush would make a suitable president  Skittles   Nov-21-09 07:08 PM   #21 
  - +10,000!!!...ya know..  flyarm   Nov-21-09 09:13 PM   #41 
  - Because it's coming from the Democrats, who are supposed to be on the  Lorien   Nov-22-09 10:11 AM   #99 
  - No, the new Repub meme is that Dems are the corporate party & stands against the little guy,  tblue   Nov-22-09 01:58 PM   #134 
  - I don't. I think it sucks and represents a selling out of the nation...  freddie mertz   Nov-22-09 12:01 PM   #116 
  - When government is beholden to corporate interests rather than the interest of the citizenry, that  indepat   Nov-21-09 04:01 PM   #7 
  - Now, we must figure out how to take this realization and effect real change.  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 06:06 PM   #16 
  - +1  phasma ex machina   Nov-21-09 11:08 PM   #61 
  - kicked and recommended  ixion   Nov-21-09 04:03 PM   #8 
  - It is late to engage this dialogue. Unfortunately, people believed that a dem President & Congress  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 07:48 PM   #25 
     - It really is sad. I let myself be caught up in the "hope" at the time of the election...  freddie mertz   Nov-22-09 12:03 PM   #117 
     - Bingo. +10  Naturyl   Nov-22-09 12:15 PM   #124 
  - Why indeed? n/t  clear eye   Nov-21-09 06:20 PM   #17 
  - K& R & Forward  LongTomH   Nov-21-09 07:02 PM   #18 
  - I hear a lot here say that it's better to have something rather than.................  pattmarty   Nov-21-09 07:03 PM   #19 
  - Yeah . those are the webs of lies they sell at a profit .nt  blues90   Nov-21-09 07:47 PM   #23 
  - Just like they believed FISA would be restored.  OnyxCollie   Nov-21-09 10:58 PM   #59 
     - That was when I began to see the reality behind the promise of "change"  freddie mertz   Nov-22-09 12:04 PM   #118 
     - Just like "more and more" here at DU and other Liberal sites.............  pattmarty   Nov-22-09 01:48 PM   #131 
        - You're depressing me. It is just like Clinton, only things are much worse now..  freddie mertz   Nov-22-09 02:29 PM   #141 
     - Ding ding ding.  Naturyl   Nov-22-09 12:18 PM   #125 
  - Recommended, it make sense  AlphaCentauri   Nov-21-09 07:05 PM   #20 
  - This insane giveaway to the insurance industry .  blues90   Nov-21-09 07:45 PM   #22 
  - Insurance Company Profit Preservation Act of 2009  PHIMG   Nov-21-09 07:47 PM   #24 
  - +1  leftstreet   Nov-21-09 08:59 PM   #39 
  - Well, I would like to buy insurance  prolesunited   Nov-21-09 09:34 PM   #45 
  - You understand that if this bill passes you still cant buy insurance with pre-existing conditions  rhett o rick   Nov-21-09 11:32 PM   #67 
     - There is no final version of the bill yet  prolesunited   Nov-22-09 12:19 AM   #77 
     - who is cheerleading for defeat?  PHIMG   Nov-22-09 12:28 AM   #80 
     - Just wanted to point out that the Senate version doesnt help those with pre-existing conditions  rhett o rick   Nov-22-09 10:31 AM   #103 
     - Not true. Read the bill. nt  quiet.american   Nov-22-09 09:45 AM   #95 
        - I did and I think you are right and I was w-w-wrong.  rhett o rick   Nov-22-09 12:05 PM   #119 
  - The problem is, once the corporate stooges in Congress  dflprincess   Nov-21-09 09:43 PM   #50 
  - Anti-incumbent tide will clean up the dead wood  PHIMG   Nov-22-09 01:43 AM   #86 
  - ...if they have primary challengers who win. Otherwise, we'll end up with more Repubs.  tblue   Nov-22-09 02:05 PM   #136 
  - That's Exactly What I Said Up Thread... Waiting Does NOT MEAN REFORM  ChiciB1   Nov-22-09 08:23 AM   #90 
  - I hope you're right. nt  Lorien   Nov-22-09 10:12 AM   #100 
  - Excellent title. nt  xxqqqzme   Nov-22-09 11:56 AM   #115 
     - It's from Wendell Potter, CIGNA whistleblower  PHIMG   Nov-22-09 09:24 PM   #158 
  - knr nt  slipslidingaway   Nov-21-09 07:49 PM   #26 
  - We are bought and sold by our own government.  ooglymoogly   Nov-21-09 07:58 PM   #27 
  - Meekly accepted  junkyardbob   Nov-22-09 01:34 PM   #130 
     - thanx...great screen name and welcome nt  ooglymoogly   Nov-22-09 09:07 PM   #157 
  - You and the Kucinich-bot single payer dreamers are living in a fantasy world.  BREMPRO   Nov-21-09 08:01 PM   #28 
  - Just what do you suppose it will cost to regulate this ?  blues90   Nov-21-09 08:24 PM   #34 
  - the po is now at 1.5 %, the centerpiece of cost control-it's a joke a scam a boondoggle as usual  natrat   Nov-21-09 08:45 PM   #36 
     - all the cost controls in the bill score by the CBO a savings of 130 billion over 10 years  BREMPRO   Nov-21-09 08:57 PM   #38 
        - This is all just projection .  blues90   Nov-21-09 10:22 PM   #54 
        - A significant portion of the 130 billion savings listed by the CBO comes from the CLASS provisions..  slipslidingaway   Nov-22-09 11:06 AM   #107 
  - The O-bots v/ the Kucinich-bots...yeah thats the ticket  ooglymoogly   Nov-21-09 08:45 PM   #37 
  - This is what our system has brainwashed. Real change is impossible  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 09:40 PM   #49 
  - Just for some perspective, is there another country's healthcare system  rucky   Nov-22-09 12:53 AM   #82 
  - YES, see this Paul Krugman article:  mistertrickster   Nov-22-09 11:48 AM   #114 
     - He is the part that is left out about the Swiss Health Insurance, They are Non-Profit  mrdmk   Nov-22-09 02:09 PM   #138 
  - Agreed. As Paul Krugman has pointed out, this bill basically gives us Switzerland's system.  mistertrickster   Nov-22-09 11:43 AM   #112 
  - NO THE BILL DOES NOT GIVE US SWITZERLAND'S SYSTEM - THAT IS BULLSHIT  kenny blankenship   Nov-22-09 02:25 PM   #140 
  - so Paul Krugman, solid liberal nobel prize economist is wrong an you are right?  BREMPRO   Nov-22-09 11:29 PM   #161 
  - Argument from authority - the bullshit is just piling up.  kenny blankenship   Nov-23-09 12:11 AM   #162 
     - no, argument from a credible expert on economics who has not been shy about criticizing the Obama  BREMPRO   Nov-23-09 11:57 AM   #164 
  - How much does the profit in for-profit health care drive up costs?  mistertrickster   Nov-23-09 09:38 AM   #163 
  - you raise an important point- we do NOT have a health care system  BREMPRO   Nov-22-09 11:00 PM   #160 
  - nicely put.  dionysus   Nov-22-09 07:15 PM   #153 
  - KR. I'm absolutely aghast that it's the "Democratic" majority behind this sick, bad, cruel joke of  inna   Nov-21-09 08:15 PM   #30 
  - You're free to do so  prolesunited   Nov-21-09 08:36 PM   #35 
     - your divisive rhetoric does not jive with your screen name.  ooglymoogly   Nov-21-09 09:11 PM   #40 
     - I'm well aware of what my screen name means  prolesunited   Nov-21-09 09:32 PM   #44 
     - Not at my age, I'm not  laughingliberal   Nov-21-09 09:37 PM   #47 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Nov-21-09 08:23 PM   #33 
  - k&R.  midnight   Nov-21-09 09:15 PM   #42 
  - This is fear-mongering. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-21-09 09:24 PM   #43 
  - If the truth makes you afraid - so be it - it is what you do with that fear  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 09:36 PM   #46 
  - What makes me afraid is that one of my children already has a pre-existing  pnwmom   Nov-21-09 09:48 PM   #51 
  - Your child will be able to buy insurance. Insurance isn't health care.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-21-09 10:04 PM   #52 
  - If this doesn't work for enough people, then there will be a move to  pnwmom   Nov-21-09 10:34 PM   #56 
     - It already hasn't worked for enough people.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-21-09 10:54 PM   #58 
     - I would suggest people read my archived journal for posts about how insurance companies deny care  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 11:35 PM   #70 
     - Not sure where I heard this, but it's so true... Insurance companies have  Flatulo   Nov-22-09 12:04 AM   #75 
     - "After what these corporations have done,  CrispyQ   Nov-22-09 11:47 AM   #113 
     - Actually, the insurance industry doesn't deliver health care  dflprincess   Nov-21-09 11:52 PM   #73 
     - One Of MY Doctors Has Already STOPPED Taking ANY Insurance...  ChiciB1   Nov-22-09 08:28 AM   #92 
     - You may be right in the sense that this is a nice shiny new  pokercat999   Nov-22-09 11:38 AM   #110 
     - If this passes, the insurance companies will be so powerful and............  pattmarty   Nov-22-09 01:51 PM   #133 
  - I understand this - however this bill will not prevent the denial of health care  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 11:28 PM   #64 
     - Did the Senate dump the anti-trust words that are in the HOR version? nt  rhett o rick   Nov-22-09 02:06 PM   #137 
  - Can I post this over at Daily Kos?  WattleBreakfast   Nov-21-09 11:32 PM   #68 
     - I posted it over there - if you want you can go over to Kos and recommend it for visibility  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 11:49 PM   #72 
        - Will do...  WattleBreakfast   Nov-22-09 12:02 AM   #74 
  - Bullshit!  WattleBreakfast   Nov-21-09 11:34 PM   #69 
  - I see a lot of assertions here.  Jester Messiah   Nov-21-09 10:07 PM   #53 
  - We all missed the part where you cite your assertions.  WattleBreakfast   Nov-21-09 11:31 PM   #66 
  - K&R  invictus   Nov-21-09 10:39 PM   #57 
  - The sheeple apparantly still have no clue as to how badly they will be screwed over on this.....  winyanstaz   Nov-21-09 11:05 PM   #60 
  - that's one (rather naive and hyperbolic) point of view, yet so many sheeple recs  AVID   Nov-21-09 11:24 PM   #62 
  - Wow. What a thoughtful and insightful counter.  debbierlus   Nov-21-09 11:29 PM   #65 
  - Ha! That sheep with  WattleBreakfast   Nov-22-09 12:22 AM   #78 
  - Patsy.  WattleBreakfast   Nov-22-09 12:23 AM   #79 
  - Great post! nt  earth mom   Nov-22-09 01:11 AM   #84 
  - The worst part about all this is that the American people are  LibDemAlways   Nov-22-09 01:30 AM   #85 
  - this part of the plan--remember it's the designated party of failure  natrat   Nov-22-09 09:02 AM   #93 
  - But won't that make stock prices go up?  moondust   Nov-22-09 04:44 AM   #87 
  - The mandate part of it will end up at SCOTUS  SoCalDem   Nov-22-09 05:53 AM   #88 
  - I agree, but  jonestonesusa   Nov-22-09 09:18 AM   #94 
  - Exactly.  debbierlus   Nov-22-09 11:01 AM   #105 
  - On some levels, I have trouble blaming the public on this  swilton   Nov-22-09 09:46 AM   #96 
  - The redemption of this whole mess could be the realization that the two party political system  debbierlus   Nov-22-09 11:04 AM   #106 
  - I don't have any trouble  LWolf   Nov-22-09 02:34 PM   #143 
  - Filled with inaccuracies and fear-mongering, but that's nothing new.  quiet.american   Nov-22-09 09:53 AM   #97 
  - Please point out the inaccuracies. eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-22-09 10:34 AM   #104 
  - Well, that took longer than I thought it would to appear.  quiet.american   Nov-22-09 11:20 AM   #109 
  - -1. what a ridiculous and hateful comment.  inna   Nov-22-09 06:01 PM   #148 
  - at the very least, it is taxation (by corporations) without representation  havocmom   Nov-22-09 10:13 AM   #101 
  - What you can't see the forest for the trees? Yes you can if you take a deep breath or a shit one!  lonestarnot   Nov-22-09 10:14 AM   #102 
  - Yes I'm depressed about having to be grateful for mere crumbs of reform.  Overseas   Nov-22-09 11:14 AM   #108 
  - Well written. Deserves to be posted on its own thread  debbierlus   Nov-22-09 11:40 AM   #111 
     - Thanks. But as a yella dawg dem I'm trying to keep quiet.  Overseas   Nov-22-09 12:11 PM   #121 
  - Wow, this bill blows. Thanks for this.  Naturyl   Nov-22-09 12:09 PM   #120 
  - Senastor Franken has been holding hearings on medical bankruptcy  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-22-09 12:12 PM   #123 
  - yep....it's screw the citizens again! k&r! n/t  NotGivingUp   Nov-22-09 12:34 PM   #127 
  - I just sent this to Congressman Lewis (progressive caucus) - Thanks! nt  grahamhgreen   Nov-22-09 12:42 PM   #128 
  - I wonder if President Obama will use the line item veto on some of the shit in this bill?  pleah   Nov-22-09 01:09 PM   #129 
  - Rec'd Kick'd Tweeted and Facebooked  theFrankFactor   Nov-22-09 01:50 PM   #132 
  - What is the best site for comparisons between Senate and House bills? nt  rhett o rick   Nov-22-09 02:02 PM   #135 
  - K & R  AzDar   Nov-22-09 02:20 PM   #139 
  - K & R nt  LWolf   Nov-22-09 02:30 PM   #142 
  - k & r  amborin   Nov-22-09 02:39 PM   #144 
  - K&R  latebloomer   Nov-22-09 02:49 PM   #145 
  - You clearly either have insurance, are healthy or both  Politicub   Nov-22-09 03:31 PM   #147 
  - Please see this, if you missed it, from another great DU thread:  inna   Nov-22-09 06:04 PM   #149 
  - A strong public option is what we need to be fighting for...Unfortunately, that's the only  LaPera   Nov-22-09 06:26 PM   #150 
  - Kick  Bryn   Nov-22-09 06:31 PM   #151 
  - translation: blah blah blah bitter whine blah. so full of inaccuracies and lies.  dionysus   Nov-22-09 07:14 PM   #152 
  - what a ridiculous comment.  inna   Nov-22-09 07:39 PM   #154 
  - i can't top the outright hyperbole and hysteria of the OP. and i'm not impressed by bitter Failers.  dionysus   Nov-22-09 08:02 PM   #156 
     - Then enlighten us ...  Bryn   Nov-22-09 10:49 PM   #159 
  - She doesn't have to "try harder next time"  Bryn   Nov-22-09 07:47 PM   #155 
  - Too late for a Rec but here's a Kick ...  Myrina   Nov-23-09 02:26 PM   #165 
  - Money trumps peace-still.  midnight   Nov-24-09 08:34 AM   #166 
 

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