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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 12:22 PM
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18. well, if you want a job in IT, engineering, anything scientific, you have to get that peice of paper
Edited on Fri Nov-20-09 12:23 PM by dionysus
there are several industries that require such training. doctors, lawyers...
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  -Shame all those CA students haven't figured it out TwixVoy  Nov-20-09 11:43 AM   #0 
  - I have always suspected a direct correlation between the availability  WCGreen   Nov-20-09 11:58 AM   #1 
  - Two books I STRONGLY recommend  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 12:02 PM   #3 
     - Thank you....  WCGreen   Nov-20-09 12:16 PM   # 
  - almost as bad as those farmers forcing us to eat food so they can make more $$ nt  msongs   Nov-20-09 11:59 AM   #2 
  - you're right however  dana_b   Nov-20-09 12:03 PM   #4 
  - well, if you want a job in IT, engineering, anything scientific, you have to get that peice of paper  dionysus   Nov-20-09 12:22 PM   #18 
  - I'm 30 years old and have been working IT steadily since I turned 16.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 12:27 PM   #26 
  - thank you for that!!!!  historian   Nov-20-09 12:40 PM   #36 
  - Tell him to keep it up.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 01:08 PM   #52 
     - thanks  historian   Nov-20-09 01:23 PM   #56 
        - Networking is a very valuable skill.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 01:37 PM   #64 
           - sorry to bother you again  historian   Nov-20-09 01:55 PM   #73 
              - No problem, more than happy to help.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 02:13 PM   #76 
  - that's the exeption to the rule, good for you.  dionysus   Nov-20-09 12:43 PM   #39 
  - Not necessarily. Many of my coworkers also lack degrees.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 12:48 PM   #43 
     - ah, so you have Certs? that can be an adequate substitute in many cases  dionysus   Nov-20-09 01:50 PM   #71 
        - Yes. But certifications are so much easier to obtain than a degree, it's hard to compare the two.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 01:55 PM   #72 
  - You too?  Ignis   Nov-20-09 01:09 PM   #53 
     - How else are they gonna get a network admin who works for $11 an hour.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 01:24 PM   #57 
        - Ah, I remember the good old days.  Ignis   Nov-20-09 01:31 PM   #60 
           - Ain't it the truth.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 01:47 PM   #69 
  - of course!  dana_b   Nov-20-09 12:34 PM   #31 
     - i agree with you that there are plenty of fields where it is not necessary  dionysus   Nov-20-09 12:40 PM   #35 
  - There is also a situation called "credentialing," in which a job that  tblue37   Nov-20-09 12:53 PM   #46 
     - yes  dana_b   Nov-20-09 02:06 PM   #75 
  - There was a job posting a few months ago for an 'office manager'  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-20-09 12:03 PM   #5 
  - I say refuse to play the game  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 12:13 PM   #12 
  - try getting an IT job or engineering job without a degree.  dionysus   Nov-20-09 12:16 PM   #14 
  - I've had several.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 12:30 PM   #28 
  - That sort of thing worked better probably when you were 16!  Lucky Luciano   Nov-21-09 07:27 AM   #111 
  - Where is your IT job now?  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 12:43 PM   #40 
  - lol, the one i've had for the last 10 years?  dionysus   Nov-20-09 02:27 PM   #80 
  - Mine is in Rockville, MD. Same as it has been for the past 5 years.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 02:37 PM   #83 
  - Lumping IT in with Engineering is silly.  Ignis   Nov-20-09 01:41 PM   #67 
     - i went to RIT, they might have been the first to have an IT program, where most other schools had  dionysus   Nov-20-09 02:26 PM   #79 
  - Amen To You. You Are 100% Correct.  Yavin4   Nov-20-09 12:59 PM   #48 
     - Yeah, the point of education is totally job training....  whoneedstickets   Nov-20-09 01:49 PM   #70 
        - You Don't Need to Borrow $60,000 To Learn History or Literature  Yavin4   Nov-20-09 02:54 PM   #86 
           - Exactly.  lildreamer316   Nov-20-09 10:29 PM   #108 
  - Yep, that is exactly what I mean by "credentialing" a job (in my post above yours). nt  tblue37   Nov-20-09 12:54 PM   #47 
  - k & r  abelenkpe   Nov-20-09 12:04 PM   #6 
  - K&R.  inna   Nov-20-09 12:05 PM   #7 
  - Yeah! Screw knowledge! All I need to know I learned in woodshop!  whoneedstickets   Nov-20-09 12:06 PM   #8 
  - bing  dionysus   Nov-20-09 12:10 PM   #11 
  - College isn't the only path out of ignorance. nt  glitch   Nov-20-09 12:20 PM   #16 
  - what if you want to be a doctor or a lawyer?  dionysus   Nov-20-09 12:23 PM   #19 
  - Again as I said in the OP  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 12:26 PM   #25 
     - Sure, why would anyone need to know anyting about..  whoneedstickets   Nov-20-09 12:33 PM   #30 
     - Where did I say that?  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 12:35 PM   #33 
        - No you don't need to go to college...  whoneedstickets   Nov-20-09 12:45 PM   #42 
        - "BTW which books should you crack?"  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 12:49 PM   #45 
           - Yeah, and I think you've come to realize...  whoneedstickets   Nov-20-09 01:35 PM   #62 
              - I am pulling in $60K at AT&T right now  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 02:20 PM   #77 
              - I don't have a college degree and I hope to be pulling in 6 figures in a few years.  EOTE   Nov-20-09 03:05 PM   #87 
        - why are you so militant about this?  dionysus   Nov-20-09 02:30 PM   #81 
     - The problem is that many employers want to hire someone with a college degree  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-20-09 01:04 PM   #49 
     - I see a trend that will change that  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 01:07 PM   #51 
        - Yeah, manual labor is our future..  whoneedstickets   Nov-20-09 01:46 PM   #68 
           - Yes, I think that is the direction it is heading  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 02:22 PM   #78 
              - Designers, inventor and innovators cannot be outsourced...  whoneedstickets   Nov-20-09 03:24 PM   #88 
                 - And why the hell can't you hand it off?  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 09:51 PM   #107 
     - II own a medical clinic  wolfgangmo   Nov-20-09 01:14 PM   #54 
  - Yeah, i suppose there is religion...  whoneedstickets   Nov-20-09 12:25 PM   #22 
     - Life experience, a library. You don't have to take a prescribed path.  glitch   Nov-20-09 01:22 PM   #55 
  - You have accepted the lie that college MAKES YOU SMART  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 12:24 PM   #21 
     - You're proving my point for me...I never said intelligent....I said not ignorant.  whoneedstickets   Nov-20-09 12:30 PM   #29 
  - And yet, college is free in Cuba. What a country.  OffWithTheirHeads   Nov-20-09 12:09 PM   #9 
  - How many Nobel winners do they have over there? nt  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-20-09 12:23 PM   #20 
     - Most of Europe has free college  Confusious   Nov-20-09 03:31 PM   #90 
        - Fine, compare us with Europe,but not an educational backwater like Cuba nt  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-20-09 04:59 PM   #96 
  - The college loan program was turned into a corporate welfare program decades ago.  Greyhound   Nov-20-09 12:10 PM   #10 
  - Wrong, wrong, WRONG!  Cleita   Nov-20-09 12:16 PM   #13 
  - I thought that was the case...  WCGreen   Nov-20-09 12:18 PM   #15 
  - The only for-profit schools are the ones you see on TV...U of Phoenix, Devry  whoneedstickets   Nov-20-09 12:21 PM   #17 
     - The money is being sent to middle men and third parties  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 12:43 PM   #38 
  - Jesus H Christ - YES THERE IS PROFIT TO BE MADE!!!!  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 12:30 PM   #27 
  - The banks are making money on student loans and VISA, which I believe has  Cleita   Nov-20-09 01:29 PM   #59 
     - UH is using a Mastercard debit card for financial aid/reimbursements  tammywammy   Nov-20-09 02:40 PM   #84 
  - I completely agree, except  aint_no_life_nowhere   Nov-20-09 12:44 PM   #41 
  - I'm almost certain that we have more mansions per square mile  Cleita   Nov-20-09 12:49 PM   #44 
  - .  fascisthunter   Nov-20-09 01:25 PM   #58 
  - While stripping/waxing floors at a lib arts college for 10 yrs, many a professor assured me...  Echo In Light   Nov-20-09 12:25 PM   #23 
  - Lets celebrate ignorance YAY!!!!!  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-09 12:26 PM   #24 
  - If college truly got rid of ignorance  TwixVoy   Nov-20-09 12:38 PM   #34 
  - Here is a clue for you  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-09 04:44 PM   #91 
  - I agree  Johonny   Nov-20-09 01:40 PM   #66 
     - Most people do benefit from book learning  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-20-09 04:47 PM   #92 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Nov-20-09 12:34 PM   #32 
  - My Favorite Is Law Schools  Yavin4   Nov-20-09 12:42 PM   #37 
  - thanks for that  historian   Nov-20-09 01:36 PM   #63 
     - Well, Good Luck To Your Daughter  Yavin4   Nov-20-09 02:50 PM   #85 
        - I've got the useless degrees but not the debt.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-20-09 05:09 PM   #99 
           - I Got Accepted into Georgetown, But I Went to American Univ Because They Gave Me Money  Yavin4   Nov-21-09 03:23 PM   #113 
  - TwixVoy, the California master plan from the 60s was actually about education as education  Nikki Stone1   Nov-20-09 01:05 PM   #50 
  - Thank you. The OP doesn't seem to understand that the parasite  Cleita   Nov-20-09 01:32 PM   #61 
  - Amen. And I really wish that instead of trashing California, people would try to help  Nikki Stone1   Nov-20-09 04:56 PM   #93 
  - And here is some info on the CA Master Plan for education that is now being murdered:  Nikki Stone1   Nov-20-09 04:58 PM   #95 
  - Yep - fulfilling Reagan's promise of a feudal California. Very intentional, IMO.  glitch   Nov-20-09 01:39 PM   #65 
     - Feinstein's hubby is head of Regents? Jesus, no wonder. This is a murder of a great school system  Nikki Stone1   Nov-20-09 04:57 PM   #94 
        - The murder of a great school system AND the sacking and looting of the (formerly) fifth largest econ  glitch   Nov-20-09 06:52 PM   #100 
           - You should come over and give your opinion  Nikki Stone1   Nov-20-09 08:58 PM   #101 
  - College should be free. nt  anonymous171   Nov-20-09 01:56 PM   #74 
  - Why? n/t  Cessna Invesco Palin   Nov-20-09 09:11 PM   #103 
  - Public university tuition is free in Georgia as long as you graduate HS with a 3.0  aikoaiko   Nov-20-09 02:32 PM   #82 
  - I got paid to go to college....  Bigmack   Nov-20-09 03:26 PM   #89 
  - Well it's definitely not a lie where I work  tammywammy   Nov-20-09 05:04 PM   #97 
  - ttt  Blue_Tires   Nov-20-09 05:06 PM   #98 
  - let's be fair and have some full disclosure, please....  mike_c   Nov-20-09 09:04 PM   #102 
  - it explains the bitterness and militant anti-intellectualism...  dionysus   Nov-20-09 09:25 PM   #104 
  - those csi-type curriculums are a total joke...  dysfunctional press   Nov-20-09 09:33 PM   #105 
  - Since kindergarten those students are indoctrinated to be part of the free market  AlphaCentauri   Nov-20-09 09:47 PM   #106 
  - Precisely!...it's so deeply entrenched in the daily round of life, people can't face the ugly truth  Echo In Light   Nov-21-09 07:18 AM   #110 
     - Students think there is only one way to do things n/t  AlphaCentauri   Nov-21-09 09:10 AM   #112 
  - University funding issue is separate from Loans  n2doc   Nov-21-09 07:14 AM   #109 
 

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