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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 04:32 PM
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49. Excactly.
Medicare for all.!!! These "bills" are shit.
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  -Yes, there are some great provisions in the health care bill, BUT... Lydia Leftcoast  Nov-18-09 01:21 PM   #0 
  - There are a lot of pains in that but.  damntexdem   Nov-18-09 01:23 PM   #1 
  - I personally thought a lot of those things could have been broken into  Cleita   Nov-18-09 01:29 PM   #2 
  - How do you ban "pre-existing conditions" with out a mandate?  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 01:30 PM   #4 
     - Why kind of mandate are you talking about?  Cleita   Nov-18-09 01:33 PM   #6 
     - A personal mandate to carry insurance. You know the kind that is in any bill under consideration?  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 01:39 PM   #9 
        - Which is corporate welfare unless  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 02:06 PM   #13 
        - All the new provisions of this legislation are corporate welfare IMHO. n/t  Cleita   Nov-18-09 02:08 PM   #16 
        - Excactly.  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 04:32 PM   #49 
        - Mandate is the worst thing in this bill. It criminalizes the poor who still  Cleita   Nov-18-09 02:07 PM   #14 
           - Yup, medicare for all!  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 04:32 PM   #50 
           - It does not "criminalize the poor."  subterranean   Nov-18-09 05:22 PM   #65 
              - Oh, that's all  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 06:45 PM   #68 
     - Easily: You just do it  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 01:35 PM   #7 
     - Why buy it until you need it?  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 01:38 PM   #8 
        - Then that's just the insurance companies' tough luck  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 02:01 PM   #11 
           - No mandates and no pre-existing conditions means either really high  geek tragedy   Nov-18-09 02:34 PM   #20 
           - Or the executives have to not get such high bonuses, the buildings  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 03:03 PM   #31 
              - That would be the first to go, but not the last.  geek tragedy   Nov-18-09 03:14 PM   #36 
                 - Because smart people know that anyone can get sick at any time  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 03:20 PM   #38 
                    - Well, once you get sick, then you buy insurance and  geek tragedy   Nov-18-09 03:24 PM   #41 
                       - What makes you think that only sick people would buy insurance?  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 03:38 PM   #44 
                          - How many people buy wheelchairs who do not need them?  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 04:34 PM   #52 
                          - Oh boy, another person who argues like a Republican (or a DLCer) making false analogies  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 04:53 PM   #59 
                             - You REALLY got me wrong.  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 05:08 PM   #62 
                          - The reason you buy insurance now at considerable expense  subterranean   Nov-18-09 05:36 PM   #66 
                             - No, because it would be a hassle to apply for it if I were in the midst of a heart attack  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 06:44 PM   #67 
           - Which is way you will not see it!  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 04:33 PM   #51 
     - with single payer, medicare-for-all universal health care, that's how....  mike_c   Nov-18-09 02:07 PM   #15 
        - Would your proposed Single Payer bill pay for abortions?  geek tragedy   Nov-18-09 02:35 PM   #21 
        - Either a hamster in a wheel  sandnsea   Nov-18-09 02:48 PM   #25 
        - The sure sign that someone doesn't know anything  geek tragedy   Nov-18-09 02:56 PM   #28 
        - it covers "all medically necessary services..."  mike_c   Nov-18-09 02:52 PM   #26 
           - Medicare doesn't pay for abortion, mainly becase virtually no one  geek tragedy   Nov-18-09 02:55 PM   #27 
           - here is a list of the 93 co-sponsors of HR 676-- the folks you characterize as...  mike_c   Nov-18-09 03:24 PM   #42 
              - 91/92 living members on that list voted FOR the House Bill.  geek tragedy   Nov-18-09 03:33 PM   #43 
                 - that suggests to me that HR 676 would likely have at least as much support...  mike_c   Nov-18-09 09:02 PM   #69 
                    - There's no logical reason to suggest that HR 676 would have  geek tragedy   Nov-19-09 07:11 AM   #71 
           - A strawman?? You must not be paying attention  sandnsea   Nov-18-09 03:01 PM   #30 
        - Yes! I could not agree more.  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 04:31 PM   #48 
  - Because this way, we get nothing without a rollback of womens rights.  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 01:29 PM   #3 
  - Imagine what Stupak would do with a Single Payer bill.  geek tragedy   Nov-18-09 02:33 PM   #19 
     - So women need to make it clear that anyone who votes for a Stupak amendment  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 03:06 PM   #32 
     - Again, the question is whether there would be 218 votes to for taxpayer  geek tragedy   Nov-18-09 03:15 PM   # 
        - Keep voting the retrograde pols out until there are  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 03:20 PM   #39 
           - That could be a very, very long wait. nt  geek tragedy   Nov-18-09 03:22 PM   #40 
              - Since the EXISTING bill has an anti-abortion provision in it  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 03:57 PM   #45 
                 - Should we pass the excisting bill in pieces with stupak?  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 04:41 PM   #55 
                    - If the bill is in pieces, then Stupak is one of the pieces that can be  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 04:48 PM   #57 
                       - Oh to be a dreamer!  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 05:04 PM   #60 
                          - The "practicality" of conservative Dems is killing us  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 05:08 PM   #63 
                             - I'm sorry I forgot the sarcasm tag.  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 05:12 PM   #64 
     - As opposed to it's effect in the house bill?  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 04:37 PM   #53 
  - i think you're right.  Hannah Bell   Nov-18-09 01:31 PM   #5 
  - That wouldn't help anyone pay for health care  sandnsea   Nov-18-09 01:42 PM   #10 
  - The bill under consideration  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 02:06 PM   #12 
     - Help for the insured and the poor, no one else  sandnsea   Nov-18-09 02:45 PM   #22 
  - Newt Gingrich actually suggested a series of bills too. Whatever works. nt  thereismore   Nov-18-09 02:15 PM   #17 
  - In Newt's case, he probably thinks it would be easier to shoot some of  Cleita   Nov-18-09 02:18 PM   #18 
     - And it would  sandnsea   Nov-18-09 02:46 PM   #23 
        - But that still doesn't explain why most provisions don't go into effect for FOUR years  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 03:00 PM   #29 
           - This is more complicated than Medicare  sandnsea   Nov-18-09 03:15 PM   #37 
              - But still...FOUR YEARS?  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 03:58 PM   #46 
              - And some will start sooner  sandnsea   Nov-18-09 04:10 PM   #47 
              - The real reason is to collect the "new " taxes for some time before the expenditures begin.  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 04:43 PM   #56 
  - Let's start at the very beginning. In 2004 a young man running for the Senate said that  truedelphi   Nov-18-09 02:47 PM   #24 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Nov-18-09 03:06 PM   #33 
  - Double spaced with large margins....  jberryhill   Nov-18-09 03:07 PM   #34 
     - Double-spaced with large margins means it's an 800- 1000-page bill  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 03:11 PM   #35 
        - How about we just pass Stupak?  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 04:39 PM   #54 
        - Now you're just being silly  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 04:48 PM   #58 
           - My point is much the same as yours.  MNDemNY   Nov-18-09 05:07 PM   #61 
        - Pay Me A Senator's Salary And Give Me A Staff  jberryhill   Nov-18-09 10:52 PM   #70 

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