Cleita
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Wed Nov-18-09 02:18 PM
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| 18. In Newt's case, he probably thinks it would be easier to shoot some of |
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them down. However, I think that would backfire on him in a predominantly Democratic Congress.
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| -Yes, there are some great provisions in the health care bill, BUT... |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 01:21 PM |
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There are a lot of pains in that but. |
damntexdem |
Nov-18-09 01:23 PM |
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I personally thought a lot of those things could have been broken into |
Cleita |
Nov-18-09 01:29 PM |
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How do you ban "pre-existing conditions" with out a mandate? |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 01:30 PM |
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Why kind of mandate are you talking about? |
Cleita |
Nov-18-09 01:33 PM |
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A personal mandate to carry insurance. You know the kind that is in any bill under consideration? |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 01:39 PM |
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Which is corporate welfare unless |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 02:06 PM |
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All the new provisions of this legislation are corporate welfare IMHO. n/t |
Cleita |
Nov-18-09 02:08 PM |
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Excactly. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 04:32 PM |
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Mandate is the worst thing in this bill. It criminalizes the poor who still |
Cleita |
Nov-18-09 02:07 PM |
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Yup, medicare for all! |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 04:32 PM |
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It does not "criminalize the poor." |
subterranean |
Nov-18-09 05:22 PM |
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Oh, that's all |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 06:45 PM |
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Easily: You just do it |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 01:35 PM |
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Why buy it until you need it? |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 01:38 PM |
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Then that's just the insurance companies' tough luck |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 02:01 PM |
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No mandates and no pre-existing conditions means either really high |
geek tragedy |
Nov-18-09 02:34 PM |
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Or the executives have to not get such high bonuses, the buildings |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 03:03 PM |
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That would be the first to go, but not the last. |
geek tragedy |
Nov-18-09 03:14 PM |
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Because smart people know that anyone can get sick at any time |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 03:20 PM |
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Well, once you get sick, then you buy insurance and |
geek tragedy |
Nov-18-09 03:24 PM |
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What makes you think that only sick people would buy insurance? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 03:38 PM |
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How many people buy wheelchairs who do not need them? |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 04:34 PM |
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Oh boy, another person who argues like a Republican (or a DLCer) making false analogies |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 04:53 PM |
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You REALLY got me wrong. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 05:08 PM |
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The reason you buy insurance now at considerable expense |
subterranean |
Nov-18-09 05:36 PM |
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No, because it would be a hassle to apply for it if I were in the midst of a heart attack |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 06:44 PM |
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Which is way you will not see it! |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 04:33 PM |
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with single payer, medicare-for-all universal health care, that's how.... |
mike_c |
Nov-18-09 02:07 PM |
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Would your proposed Single Payer bill pay for abortions? |
geek tragedy |
Nov-18-09 02:35 PM |
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Either a hamster in a wheel |
sandnsea |
Nov-18-09 02:48 PM |
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The sure sign that someone doesn't know anything |
geek tragedy |
Nov-18-09 02:56 PM |
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it covers "all medically necessary services..." |
mike_c |
Nov-18-09 02:52 PM |
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Medicare doesn't pay for abortion, mainly becase virtually no one |
geek tragedy |
Nov-18-09 02:55 PM |
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here is a list of the 93 co-sponsors of HR 676-- the folks you characterize as... |
mike_c |
Nov-18-09 03:24 PM |
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91/92 living members on that list voted FOR the House Bill. |
geek tragedy |
Nov-18-09 03:33 PM |
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that suggests to me that HR 676 would likely have at least as much support... |
mike_c |
Nov-18-09 09:02 PM |
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There's no logical reason to suggest that HR 676 would have |
geek tragedy |
Nov-19-09 07:11 AM |
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A strawman?? You must not be paying attention |
sandnsea |
Nov-18-09 03:01 PM |
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Yes! I could not agree more. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 04:31 PM |
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Because this way, we get nothing without a rollback of womens rights. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 01:29 PM |
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Imagine what Stupak would do with a Single Payer bill. |
geek tragedy |
Nov-18-09 02:33 PM |
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So women need to make it clear that anyone who votes for a Stupak amendment |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 03:06 PM |
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Again, the question is whether there would be 218 votes to for taxpayer |
geek tragedy |
Nov-18-09 03:15 PM |
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Keep voting the retrograde pols out until there are |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 03:20 PM |
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That could be a very, very long wait. nt |
geek tragedy |
Nov-18-09 03:22 PM |
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Since the EXISTING bill has an anti-abortion provision in it |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 03:57 PM |
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Should we pass the excisting bill in pieces with stupak? |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 04:41 PM |
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If the bill is in pieces, then Stupak is one of the pieces that can be |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 04:48 PM |
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Oh to be a dreamer! |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 05:04 PM |
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The "practicality" of conservative Dems is killing us |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 05:08 PM |
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I'm sorry I forgot the sarcasm tag. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 05:12 PM |
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As opposed to it's effect in the house bill? |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 04:37 PM |
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i think you're right. |
Hannah Bell |
Nov-18-09 01:31 PM |
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That wouldn't help anyone pay for health care |
sandnsea |
Nov-18-09 01:42 PM |
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The bill under consideration |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 02:06 PM |
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Help for the insured and the poor, no one else |
sandnsea |
Nov-18-09 02:45 PM |
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Newt Gingrich actually suggested a series of bills too. Whatever works. nt |
thereismore |
Nov-18-09 02:15 PM |
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In Newt's case, he probably thinks it would be easier to shoot some of |
Cleita |
Nov-18-09 02:18 PM |
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And it would |
sandnsea |
Nov-18-09 02:46 PM |
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But that still doesn't explain why most provisions don't go into effect for FOUR years |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 03:00 PM |
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This is more complicated than Medicare |
sandnsea |
Nov-18-09 03:15 PM |
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But still...FOUR YEARS? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 03:58 PM |
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And some will start sooner |
sandnsea |
Nov-18-09 04:10 PM |
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The real reason is to collect the "new " taxes for some time before the expenditures begin. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 04:43 PM |
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Let's start at the very beginning. In 2004 a young man running for the Senate said that |
truedelphi |
Nov-18-09 02:47 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Nov-18-09 03:06 PM |
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Double spaced with large margins.... |
jberryhill |
Nov-18-09 03:07 PM |
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Double-spaced with large margins means it's an 800- 1000-page bill |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 03:11 PM |
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How about we just pass Stupak? |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 04:39 PM |
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Now you're just being silly |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 04:48 PM |
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My point is much the same as yours. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-18-09 05:07 PM |
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Pay Me A Senator's Salary And Give Me A Staff |
jberryhill |
Nov-18-09 10:52 PM |
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