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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 06:20 PM
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58. I often have to read a few translations before I can get a firm understanding
of any given Bible verse. Some words are archaic and there's no modern equivalent to translate it to, or, if translated from Latin or Greek, certain words convey certain gender characteristics that don't always translate into non-gendered English. If you want a good tool to compare texts, the Bible Gateway has 20 English translations, as well as multiple translations in all the European languages, many Asian languages, some Slovic languages, some languages I've never heard of. The search engine allows searches for specific texts by either name, chapter number, word, or phrase.
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  -The white religious right is too stupid to understand they're the ones being cursed in Psalm 109. intheflow  Nov-18-09 12:34 AM   #0 
  - I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but this is a classic  Critters2   Nov-18-09 12:43 AM   #1 
  - Did you see the Rachel clip today? n/t  Sinti   Nov-18-09 12:51 AM   #2 
  - It has to do with them because they believe these texts are literal, meant for this moment in time.  intheflow   Nov-18-09 01:01 AM   #4 
  - Precisely. Thank you. nt  Critters2   Nov-18-09 11:33 AM   #25 
  - I think intheflow is describing the biblical illiteracy...  Adsos Letter   Nov-18-09 02:08 AM   #13 
  - I agree misuse of scripture is an equal-opportunity employer.  intheflow   Nov-18-09 02:41 AM   #15 
  - I've often made the same point to anti-Semitic Catholics (my faith),  Joe Chi Minh   Nov-18-09 02:51 PM   #41 
  - Jesus was talking about hippocrits like fundamentalist Christians throughout the New Testament but  Go2Peace   Nov-18-09 03:26 AM   #18 
  - Jesus was talking about...  AlbertCat   Nov-18-09 10:20 PM   #83 
  - Its Bronze Age BS!!!!!  SkyDaddy7   Nov-18-09 03:55 PM   #49 
     - Religions actually focus human violence, toward specific groups or people, traditionally.  Critters2   Nov-18-09 05:23 PM   #51 
  - This does not matter, really  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-09 12:56 AM   #3 
  - You and I have apparently led parallel studying lives since '94!  intheflow   Nov-18-09 01:09 AM   #6 
  - Indeed we have then  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-09 01:49 AM   #12 
  - It's ignorance, plain and simple. :(  intheflow   Nov-18-09 07:30 PM   #66 
  - count me as a third one then  KakistocracyHater   Nov-18-09 07:37 PM   #67 
  - I believe Shaffer is right as well! Rachel's segment sent  napi21   Nov-18-09 01:15 AM   #7 
  - Extremely right wing\ reactionary religion  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-18-09 01:48 AM   #11 
  - Right you are, Nadin: "They mean exactly what Shaeffer told you." nt  Hekate   Nov-18-09 02:50 AM   #16 
  - This is what I like about Thom Hartmann.... he has studied, and KNOWS the bible, and how to  bobbolink   Nov-18-09 03:20 PM   #45 
  - K&R  Blue_In_AK   Nov-18-09 01:03 AM   #5 
  - I will most gladly K&R this excellent post!  Adsos Letter   Nov-18-09 01:28 AM   #8 
  - Yeah, I figured this would be up your alley, Adsos!  intheflow   Nov-18-09 07:24 PM   #65 
     - Not only up my alley...  Adsos Letter   Nov-19-09 12:07 AM   #96 
  - k 'n' r.  tuvor   Nov-18-09 01:34 AM   #9 
  - thanks for the context - sounds like they are attacking themselves alright  tomm2thumbs   Nov-18-09 01:44 AM   #10 
  - Beck is too busy wearing his hair-shirt...  Adsos Letter   Nov-18-09 02:09 AM   #14 
     - Don't forget his shamwow bib that absorbs all those fake tears!  CLANG   Nov-18-09 11:10 PM   #87 
        - .  intheflow   Nov-19-09 12:22 AM   #100 
  - K and R  ClayZ   Nov-18-09 03:19 AM   #17 
  - Like they are going to read that much.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-18-09 03:27 AM   #19 
  - This is why I can't stand religion.  optimal-tomato   Nov-18-09 04:19 AM   #20 
  - However, I think intheflow is pointing out that, in this case, the interpretations are invalid...  Adsos Letter   Nov-18-09 11:12 AM   #23 
  - 1+++  patrice   Nov-18-09 09:13 PM   #75 
  - Nicely done! These people might do well to read Jeremiah 5:21  JeffR   Nov-18-09 10:31 AM   #21 
  - AMEN!  Adsos Letter   Nov-18-09 11:11 AM   #22 
  - Well ain't that  JackInGreen   Nov-18-09 11:24 AM   #24 
  - You rock. K+R  shadowknows69   Nov-18-09 12:06 PM   #26 
  - this PSALM 109 thing is new to me  flakey_foont   Nov-18-09 12:19 PM   #27 
  - It has to do with the theocracy movement, which intends to literally have "an army of Xian soldiers  Hekate   Nov-18-09 02:09 PM   #36 
     - Thanks for the nice reply  flakey_foont   Nov-18-09 02:43 PM   #38 
        - ;-)  Hekate   Nov-18-09 03:04 PM   #44 
  - Not only recommended but thread sent  Duval   Nov-18-09 12:30 PM   #28 
  - This palsm outlines exactly what is happening right now  hypocrisyandlies   Nov-18-09 12:35 PM   #29 
  - Whoops...  hypocrisyandlies   Nov-18-09 01:40 PM   #34 
  - Cherry-picking is what wing nuts do  GoCubsGo   Nov-18-09 12:52 PM   #30 
  - Cherry picking is what all religious people do  Bluenorthwest   Nov-18-09 02:32 PM   #37 
  - Wait... you expect the American Taliban to actually *read* the Buy-Bull?  jgraz   Nov-18-09 01:06 PM   #31 
  - How right you are - and they are ignorant of their history too  LibertyLover   Nov-18-09 01:36 PM   #32 
  - Wow, what a sad story of Christian ignorance!  intheflow   Nov-18-09 06:08 PM   #55 
  - "You can't fix stupid" Brother Ron White  pundaint   Nov-19-09 01:22 AM   #107 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Nov-18-09 01:36 PM   #33 
  - Nicely played! K&R  Buzz Clik   Nov-18-09 01:48 PM   #35 
  - WOW!!!  Tuvok Obama   Nov-18-09 02:44 PM   #39 
  - These are right-wing nut jobs, they're pretty stupid about the rest of the bible too  LynneSin   Nov-18-09 02:45 PM   #40 
  - They are called the "Cursing Psalms", and are very powerful.  bobbolink   Nov-18-09 02:52 PM   #42 
  - Isn't cursing people one of the things Christians criticize voodoo and witch craft for?  liberal_at_heart   Nov-19-09 12:48 AM   #103 
     - OTOH, you've never said a big FU to anyone?  intheflow   Nov-19-09 01:58 AM   #108 
     - ME?????  bobbolink   Nov-19-09 07:38 PM   #118 
     - Ohhh, geeez...... talk about a knee jerk response. Are you aware we are talking about the PSALMS???  bobbolink   Nov-19-09 07:38 PM   #117 
  - Authoritarians lack sufficient attention span to read an entire Psalm in one sitting  TrogL   Nov-18-09 02:55 PM   #43 
  - Thank you so much for this. Context is everything.  kitkat65   Nov-18-09 03:26 PM   #46 
  - I often have to read a few translations before I can get a firm understanding  intheflow   Nov-18-09 06:20 PM   #58 
  - Verse 23 sounds like the republican party.  FarLeftFist   Nov-18-09 03:29 PM   #47 
  - Why the "white" religious right?  JonQ   Nov-18-09 03:31 PM   #48 
  - Oh, you're seeing hordes of black/brown/Asian people  intheflow   Nov-18-09 06:12 PM   #56 
     - I think those hate groups are there, maintaining a "non-violent" facade, sticking together, recruiti  patrice   Nov-18-09 09:45 PM   #79 
  - Spot on! thanks. nt  thereismore   Nov-18-09 04:20 PM   #50 
  - Now I have something to send back to my crazy fundy family when they send over "the verse"  Politicub   Nov-18-09 05:32 PM   #52 
  - Masterful Analysis!  Demeter   Nov-18-09 06:02 PM   #53 
  - Psalm 109:20  Piewhacket   Nov-18-09 06:05 PM   #54 
  - A couple of things,  MadHound   Nov-18-09 06:13 PM   #57 
  - Please see my posts #4 and #15 to answer your questions. n/t  intheflow   Nov-18-09 07:04 PM   #64 
  - I remember the KKK and John Birchers using Christianity as their justification  laughingliberal   Nov-18-09 07:58 PM   #71 
     - Spot on!  Adsos Letter   Nov-18-09 11:59 PM   #95 
  - K&R  jennied   Nov-18-09 06:33 PM   #59 
  - Thank you. Very concise interpretation of a great Psalm. I think that  jwirr   Nov-18-09 06:37 PM   #60 
  - Thank you. Best DU post in ages. nt  kristopher   Nov-18-09 06:43 PM   #61 
  - Sarah Palin is RIGHT "profile away" . . .  Krashkopf   Nov-18-09 06:48 PM   #62 
  - PRAISE JESUS! Someone who took time to read the psalm fully & proves it's what David was asking God  Divine Discontent   Nov-18-09 06:51 PM   #63 
  - Like everything else they do  anachro1   Nov-18-09 07:45 PM   #68 
  - OT my favorite Psalm 51:10-11  phasma ex machina   Nov-18-09 07:54 PM   #69 
  - This cradle Lutheran sees those words, and the music of that part of the liturgy  bobbolink   Nov-19-09 08:01 PM   #119 
  - I'm NOT a religious sort WHATSOEVER!  Plucketeer   Nov-18-09 07:58 PM   #70 
  - K&R  Bobbie Jo   Nov-18-09 08:25 PM   #72 
  - Actually, in the moral system of the Old Testament....  burning rain   Nov-18-09 08:28 PM   #73 
  - This is true, otherwise the Good News wouldn't be so good, New, different from what preceded it.  patrice   Nov-18-09 08:47 PM   #74 
  - Although Jesus was schooled from that earlier tradition.  intheflow   Nov-18-09 09:32 PM   #76 
     - Thats right!  prestonPjr21   Nov-18-09 09:46 PM   #80 
     - Thank you for a very pleasant and enlightening discussion.  patrice   Nov-18-09 09:57 PM   #81 
  - The stereotype of the Old Testament is that it's all fire and brimstone  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-09 10:21 PM   #84 
  - I certainly don't deny that....  burning rain   Nov-18-09 11:21 PM   #90 
     - Not really  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-19-09 02:03 AM   #109 
  - That's totally untrue  rockymountaindem   Nov-18-09 11:22 PM   #91 
  - That's for Israelites.  burning rain   Nov-18-09 11:42 PM   #94 
     - Evangelical Christian William Wilberforce's movement led to the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833. nt  phasma ex machina   Nov-19-09 11:12 AM   #111 
     - The fact that the texts were written exclusively for Israelites  intheflow   Nov-19-09 11:37 AM   #114 
        - Liberal religion exists, but it's a minority preference.  burning rain   Nov-20-09 12:45 AM   #123 
  - THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST MISREADINGS OF THE "OLD TESTAMENT'  garthranzz   Nov-19-09 11:35 AM   #112 
     - Nice use of the silly "if I don't like it, it's out of context" line.  burning rain   Nov-20-09 12:08 AM   #122 
  - "The white religious right is too stupid to understand" Enough said.  BrklynLiberal   Nov-18-09 09:35 PM   #77 
  - That is 100% accurate...  prestonPjr21   Nov-18-09 09:41 PM   #78 
  - AN IMPORTANT CORRECTION  garthranzz   Nov-18-09 10:14 PM   #82 
  - That was my understanding too.  CLANG   Nov-18-09 11:15 PM   #88 
  - Actually, I'm very religious - an Orthodox Jew, in fact  garthranzz   Nov-19-09 11:36 AM   #113 
     - Psalm 109 in hebrew  Mosby   Nov-19-09 07:17 PM   #116 
        - Thee word means "choirmaster" not leader, in this context  garthranzz   Nov-19-09 10:29 PM   #120 
  - So in my interpretation, the RW is directly threatening the King David figure?  intheflow   Nov-18-09 11:20 PM   #89 
     - Yeah, they're threatening the King David figure and in fact cursing themselves  garthranzz   Nov-19-09 11:40 AM   #115 
  - @intheflow  SusanaMontana41   Nov-18-09 10:29 PM   #85 
  - :) K&R  gtar100   Nov-18-09 10:44 PM   #86 
  - Why bring race in to it?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-18-09 11:24 PM   #92 
  - Because I never see people of color protesting showing up to Obama events with guns.  intheflow   Nov-19-09 12:10 AM   #97 
     - You mean like the black protestor in Arizona with the assault rifle.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-19-09 12:12 AM   #98 
        - I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to every rule.  intheflow   Nov-19-09 12:21 AM   #99 
           - Interesting.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-19-09 12:28 AM   #101 
              - Racism and prejudice are two different things.  intheflow   Nov-19-09 12:42 AM   #102 
                 - Let me guess black people can't be racist?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-19-09 12:59 AM   #104 
                    - What part of "I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to every rule" don't you understand? n/t  intheflow   Nov-19-09 01:04 AM   #105 
                       - Good for you. At least you are consistent.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-19-09 01:12 AM   #106 
  - Context really IS everything, as usual the Freepers just don't get it. K, R, n/t  NYC_SKP   Nov-18-09 11:27 PM   #93 
  - When I heard about this I did read the Psalm.  olegramps   Nov-19-09 09:50 AM   #110 
  - CRUD!! Why didn't I rec this last night?  moonbatmax   Nov-19-09 10:37 PM   #121 
  - Kicking back up for, BRILLIANT EXEGESIS!1 n/t  UTUSN   Nov-20-09 09:21 AM   #124 
  - David was referring to himself in this psalm. He does that alot. He  theophilus   Nov-20-09 10:13 AM   #125 
 

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