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| -The white religious right is too stupid to understand they're the ones being cursed in Psalm 109. |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 12:34 AM |
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I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but this is a classic |
Critters2 |
Nov-18-09 12:43 AM |
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Did you see the Rachel clip today? n/t |
Sinti |
Nov-18-09 12:51 AM |
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It has to do with them because they believe these texts are literal, meant for this moment in time. |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 01:01 AM |
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Precisely. Thank you. nt |
Critters2 |
Nov-18-09 11:33 AM |
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I think intheflow is describing the biblical illiteracy... |
Adsos Letter |
Nov-18-09 02:08 AM |
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I agree misuse of scripture is an equal-opportunity employer. |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 02:41 AM |
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I've often made the same point to anti-Semitic Catholics (my faith), |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-18-09 02:51 PM |
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Jesus was talking about hippocrits like fundamentalist Christians throughout the New Testament but |
Go2Peace |
Nov-18-09 03:26 AM |
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Jesus was talking about... |
AlbertCat |
Nov-18-09 10:20 PM |
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Its Bronze Age BS!!!!! |
SkyDaddy7 |
Nov-18-09 03:55 PM |
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Religions actually focus human violence, toward specific groups or people, traditionally. |
Critters2 |
Nov-18-09 05:23 PM |
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This does not matter, really |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-09 12:56 AM |
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You and I have apparently led parallel studying lives since '94! |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 01:09 AM |
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Indeed we have then |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-09 01:49 AM |
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It's ignorance, plain and simple. :( |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 07:30 PM |
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count me as a third one then |
KakistocracyHater |
Nov-18-09 07:37 PM |
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I believe Shaffer is right as well! Rachel's segment sent |
napi21 |
Nov-18-09 01:15 AM |
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Extremely right wing\ reactionary religion |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-18-09 01:48 AM |
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Right you are, Nadin: "They mean exactly what Shaeffer told you." nt |
Hekate |
Nov-18-09 02:50 AM |
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This is what I like about Thom Hartmann.... he has studied, and KNOWS the bible, and how to |
bobbolink |
Nov-18-09 03:20 PM |
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K&R |
Blue_In_AK |
Nov-18-09 01:03 AM |
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I will most gladly K&R this excellent post! |
Adsos Letter |
Nov-18-09 01:28 AM |
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Yeah, I figured this would be up your alley, Adsos! |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 07:24 PM |
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Not only up my alley... |
Adsos Letter |
Nov-19-09 12:07 AM |
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k 'n' r. |
tuvor |
Nov-18-09 01:34 AM |
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thanks for the context - sounds like they are attacking themselves alright |
tomm2thumbs |
Nov-18-09 01:44 AM |
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Beck is too busy wearing his hair-shirt... |
Adsos Letter |
Nov-18-09 02:09 AM |
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Don't forget his shamwow bib that absorbs all those fake tears! |
CLANG |
Nov-18-09 11:10 PM |
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. |
intheflow |
Nov-19-09 12:22 AM |
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K and R |
ClayZ |
Nov-18-09 03:19 AM |
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Like they are going to read that much. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-18-09 03:27 AM |
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This is why I can't stand religion. |
optimal-tomato |
Nov-18-09 04:19 AM |
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However, I think intheflow is pointing out that, in this case, the interpretations are invalid... |
Adsos Letter |
Nov-18-09 11:12 AM |
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1+++ |
patrice |
Nov-18-09 09:13 PM |
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Nicely done! These people might do well to read Jeremiah 5:21 |
JeffR |
Nov-18-09 10:31 AM |
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AMEN! |
Adsos Letter |
Nov-18-09 11:11 AM |
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Well ain't that |
JackInGreen |
Nov-18-09 11:24 AM |
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You rock. K+R |
shadowknows69 |
Nov-18-09 12:06 PM |
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this PSALM 109 thing is new to me |
flakey_foont |
Nov-18-09 12:19 PM |
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It has to do with the theocracy movement, which intends to literally have "an army of Xian soldiers |
Hekate |
Nov-18-09 02:09 PM |
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Thanks for the nice reply |
flakey_foont |
Nov-18-09 02:43 PM |
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;-) |
Hekate |
Nov-18-09 03:04 PM |
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Not only recommended but thread sent |
Duval |
Nov-18-09 12:30 PM |
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This palsm outlines exactly what is happening right now |
hypocrisyandlies |
Nov-18-09 12:35 PM |
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Whoops... |
hypocrisyandlies |
Nov-18-09 01:40 PM |
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Cherry-picking is what wing nuts do |
GoCubsGo |
Nov-18-09 12:52 PM |
#30 |
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Cherry picking is what all religious people do |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-18-09 02:32 PM |
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Wait... you expect the American Taliban to actually *read* the Buy-Bull? |
jgraz |
Nov-18-09 01:06 PM |
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How right you are - and they are ignorant of their history too |
LibertyLover |
Nov-18-09 01:36 PM |
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Wow, what a sad story of Christian ignorance! |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 06:08 PM |
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"You can't fix stupid" Brother Ron White |
pundaint |
Nov-19-09 01:22 AM |
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DU GrovelBot |
Nov-18-09 01:36 PM |
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Nicely played! K&R |
Buzz Clik |
Nov-18-09 01:48 PM |
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WOW!!! |
Tuvok Obama |
Nov-18-09 02:44 PM |
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These are right-wing nut jobs, they're pretty stupid about the rest of the bible too |
LynneSin |
Nov-18-09 02:45 PM |
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They are called the "Cursing Psalms", and are very powerful. |
bobbolink |
Nov-18-09 02:52 PM |
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Isn't cursing people one of the things Christians criticize voodoo and witch craft for? |
liberal_at_heart |
Nov-19-09 12:48 AM |
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OTOH, you've never said a big FU to anyone? |
intheflow |
Nov-19-09 01:58 AM |
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ME????? |
bobbolink |
Nov-19-09 07:38 PM |
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Ohhh, geeez...... talk about a knee jerk response. Are you aware we are talking about the PSALMS??? |
bobbolink |
Nov-19-09 07:38 PM |
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Authoritarians lack sufficient attention span to read an entire Psalm in one sitting |
TrogL |
Nov-18-09 02:55 PM |
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Thank you so much for this. Context is everything. |
kitkat65 |
Nov-18-09 03:26 PM |
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I often have to read a few translations before I can get a firm understanding |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 06:20 PM |
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Verse 23 sounds like the republican party. |
FarLeftFist |
Nov-18-09 03:29 PM |
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Why the "white" religious right? |
JonQ |
Nov-18-09 03:31 PM |
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Oh, you're seeing hordes of black/brown/Asian people |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 06:12 PM |
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I think those hate groups are there, maintaining a "non-violent" facade, sticking together, recruiti |
patrice |
Nov-18-09 09:45 PM |
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Spot on! thanks. nt |
thereismore |
Nov-18-09 04:20 PM |
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Now I have something to send back to my crazy fundy family when they send over "the verse" |
Politicub |
Nov-18-09 05:32 PM |
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Masterful Analysis! |
Demeter |
Nov-18-09 06:02 PM |
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Psalm 109:20 |
Piewhacket |
Nov-18-09 06:05 PM |
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A couple of things, |
MadHound |
Nov-18-09 06:13 PM |
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Please see my posts #4 and #15 to answer your questions. n/t |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 07:04 PM |
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I remember the KKK and John Birchers using Christianity as their justification |
laughingliberal |
Nov-18-09 07:58 PM |
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Spot on! |
Adsos Letter |
Nov-18-09 11:59 PM |
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K&R |
jennied |
Nov-18-09 06:33 PM |
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Thank you. Very concise interpretation of a great Psalm. I think that |
jwirr |
Nov-18-09 06:37 PM |
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Thank you. Best DU post in ages. nt |
kristopher |
Nov-18-09 06:43 PM |
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Sarah Palin is RIGHT "profile away" . . . |
Krashkopf |
Nov-18-09 06:48 PM |
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PRAISE JESUS! Someone who took time to read the psalm fully & proves it's what David was asking God |
Divine Discontent |
Nov-18-09 06:51 PM |
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Like everything else they do |
anachro1 |
Nov-18-09 07:45 PM |
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OT my favorite Psalm 51:10-11 |
phasma ex machina |
Nov-18-09 07:54 PM |
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This cradle Lutheran sees those words, and the music of that part of the liturgy |
bobbolink |
Nov-19-09 08:01 PM |
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I'm NOT a religious sort WHATSOEVER! |
Plucketeer |
Nov-18-09 07:58 PM |
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K&R |
Bobbie Jo |
Nov-18-09 08:25 PM |
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Actually, in the moral system of the Old Testament.... |
burning rain |
Nov-18-09 08:28 PM |
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This is true, otherwise the Good News wouldn't be so good, New, different from what preceded it. |
patrice |
Nov-18-09 08:47 PM |
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Although Jesus was schooled from that earlier tradition. |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 09:32 PM |
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Thats right! |
prestonPjr21 |
Nov-18-09 09:46 PM |
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Thank you for a very pleasant and enlightening discussion. |
patrice |
Nov-18-09 09:57 PM |
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The stereotype of the Old Testament is that it's all fire and brimstone |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-18-09 10:21 PM |
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I certainly don't deny that.... |
burning rain |
Nov-18-09 11:21 PM |
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Not really |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-19-09 02:03 AM |
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That's totally untrue |
rockymountaindem |
Nov-18-09 11:22 PM |
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That's for Israelites. |
burning rain |
Nov-18-09 11:42 PM |
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Evangelical Christian William Wilberforce's movement led to the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833. nt |
phasma ex machina |
Nov-19-09 11:12 AM |
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The fact that the texts were written exclusively for Israelites |
intheflow |
Nov-19-09 11:37 AM |
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Liberal religion exists, but it's a minority preference. |
burning rain |
Nov-20-09 12:45 AM |
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THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST MISREADINGS OF THE "OLD TESTAMENT' |
garthranzz |
Nov-19-09 11:35 AM |
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Nice use of the silly "if I don't like it, it's out of context" line. |
burning rain |
Nov-20-09 12:08 AM |
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"The white religious right is too stupid to understand" Enough said. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-18-09 09:35 PM |
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That is 100% accurate... |
prestonPjr21 |
Nov-18-09 09:41 PM |
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AN IMPORTANT CORRECTION |
garthranzz |
Nov-18-09 10:14 PM |
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That was my understanding too. |
CLANG |
Nov-18-09 11:15 PM |
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Actually, I'm very religious - an Orthodox Jew, in fact |
garthranzz |
Nov-19-09 11:36 AM |
#113 |
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Psalm 109 in hebrew |
Mosby |
Nov-19-09 07:17 PM |
#116 |
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Thee word means "choirmaster" not leader, in this context |
garthranzz |
Nov-19-09 10:29 PM |
#120 |
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So in my interpretation, the RW is directly threatening the King David figure? |
intheflow |
Nov-18-09 11:20 PM |
#89 |
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Yeah, they're threatening the King David figure and in fact cursing themselves |
garthranzz |
Nov-19-09 11:40 AM |
#115 |
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@intheflow |
SusanaMontana41 |
Nov-18-09 10:29 PM |
#85 |
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:) K&R |
gtar100 |
Nov-18-09 10:44 PM |
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Why bring race in to it? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-18-09 11:24 PM |
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Because I never see people of color protesting showing up to Obama events with guns. |
intheflow |
Nov-19-09 12:10 AM |
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You mean like the black protestor in Arizona with the assault rifle. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-19-09 12:12 AM |
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I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to every rule. |
intheflow |
Nov-19-09 12:21 AM |
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Interesting. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-19-09 12:28 AM |
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Racism and prejudice are two different things. |
intheflow |
Nov-19-09 12:42 AM |
#102 |
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Let me guess black people can't be racist? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-19-09 12:59 AM |
#104 |
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What part of "I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to every rule" don't you understand? n/t |
intheflow |
Nov-19-09 01:04 AM |
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Good for you. At least you are consistent. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-19-09 01:12 AM |
#106 |
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Context really IS everything, as usual the Freepers just don't get it. K, R, n/t |
NYC_SKP |
Nov-18-09 11:27 PM |
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When I heard about this I did read the Psalm. |
olegramps |
Nov-19-09 09:50 AM |
#110 |
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CRUD!! Why didn't I rec this last night? |
moonbatmax |
Nov-19-09 10:37 PM |
#121 |
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Kicking back up for, BRILLIANT EXEGESIS!1 n/t |
UTUSN |
Nov-20-09 09:21 AM |
#124 |
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David was referring to himself in this psalm. He does that alot. He |
theophilus |
Nov-20-09 10:13 AM |
#125 |
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