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| 43. Jerry Brown was talking up the Mondragon movement... |
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...during his 1992 presidential campaign. I suspect he ran across them when he was in the Jesuit seminary -- I heard about Father Arizmendiarrieta in religion class with the Jesuits in the mid-70's, when we were reading Michael Harrington's The Other America.
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| -Workers getting angrier at corporations.... some looking at a new direction--Mondragon Corp. |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 06:41 PM |
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K&R, great story thank you for posting it. n/t |
Greyhound |
Nov-15-09 06:45 PM |
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Were you previously aware of this? |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 06:52 PM |
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No, but it is good to read stories showing that people can win. |
Greyhound |
Nov-15-09 08:05 PM |
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Good, so it wasn't just me, then. I hate feeling like I'm waaay behind the 8 ball! |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 09:16 PM |
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I've known about the Mondragon Cooperatives for a long time. |
StarfarerBill |
Nov-15-09 10:55 PM |
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Thanks for the heads up about the film....noted! |
bobbolink |
Nov-16-09 10:26 PM |
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Nov-15-09 11:08 PM |
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Agreed |
Sherman A1 |
Nov-16-09 02:51 PM |
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SOCIALIST! |
SoCalNative |
Nov-15-09 06:48 PM |
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Actually, that is what I was getting at. Many of the "teabaggers" are very angry at the same |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 06:53 PM |
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The problem is they've been totally polluted by propaganda and decades of Cold War paranoia |
Selatius |
Nov-15-09 07:17 PM |
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We have to begin by realizing that some CAN'T be reached. |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 07:24 PM |
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Try talking about this very issue. I've found a lot of agreement with cons |
AllyCat |
Nov-16-09 12:53 AM |
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Good for you! That is how we truly create "CHANGE". |
bobbolink |
Nov-16-09 10:30 PM |
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Introduce them to LSD. |
Xicano |
Nov-16-09 12:55 AM |
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Well, some of the same things. |
JoeyT |
Nov-16-09 01:07 AM |
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I guess you won't be happy until I agree with all the negatives you want to put out. |
bobbolink |
Nov-16-09 10:25 PM |
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You are absolutely correct in your conclusion |
Sherman A1 |
Nov-16-09 03:00 PM |
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Thank you for discussing it! If we can learn to listen, and to actually talk WITH others about the |
bobbolink |
Nov-16-09 10:32 PM |
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I am not as optimistic about a turnaround by Nov '10, yet |
Sherman A1 |
Nov-17-09 02:47 AM |
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No, they are TROTSKYITES! |
QC |
Nov-15-09 08:52 PM |
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Actually they're Distributists |
nxylas |
Nov-16-09 07:07 AM |
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We need to have new ways in place before the angry mobs start |
Desertrose |
Nov-15-09 06:49 PM |
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Yep. Who do ya suppose the "anti-terror" legislation is actually geared for? |
Echo In Light |
Nov-16-09 01:59 PM |
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THANK you! We have a year now to reach some of these angry people in a way |
bobbolink |
Nov-16-09 10:34 PM |
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There are more and more of these coops rising |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-09 06:52 PM |
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Can you speak about any coops you have heard about? |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 07:04 PM |
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Moore spoke of the bakery in Capitalism |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-09 07:12 PM |
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Thanks... haven't seen the movie. |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 07:18 PM |
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Yeah it would be good |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-09 07:29 PM |
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I'm so pissed at having to be back here in red state hell... |
Greyhound |
Nov-15-09 08:09 PM |
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YUp. I wanted to go Opening Day, to boost the ticket sales, but said tickets were $12! |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 08:11 PM |
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Maybe he will take a cue from Bill Maher and just release it on the web |
Greyhound |
Nov-15-09 08:30 PM |
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If I remember correctly, he did that with others of his movies. |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 09:25 PM |
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trust me I realize that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-09 08:13 PM |
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I feel for ya! |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Nov-16-09 01:27 AM |
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OK, you win. |
Greyhound |
Nov-16-09 02:12 AM |
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It was out |
NikolaC |
Nov-16-09 06:32 AM |
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I forgot about the bakery in "Capitalism: A Love Story" |
StarfarerBill |
Nov-15-09 10:58 PM |
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There is a Food Giant outlet where I live that is "employee-owned" |
Selatius |
Nov-15-09 07:46 PM |
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Thanks for that info, and explaining the difference. Kinda like the difference between |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 07:54 PM |
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Super OP |
malaise |
Nov-15-09 06:54 PM |
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This is great! Hopeful. |
lildreamer316 |
Nov-15-09 07:08 PM |
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Education is hopeful! |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 07:11 PM |
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Yes, I have long thought that co-ops are the way to a humane future. |
Jackpine Radical |
Nov-15-09 07:09 PM |
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I wouldn't be surprised by the Finns at all! |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 07:13 PM |
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It was the Finns that told me about Dr. Schusslers Twelve Tissue Remedies (cell salts) |
earcandle |
Nov-16-09 12:10 PM |
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We still have lots of co-ops here in the Upper Midwest. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-15-09 07:34 PM |
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That is great to know. Do you know.. how many people are involved? |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 07:39 PM |
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It's been in existance as far back as I can remeber. (early 90s) |
Odin2005 |
Nov-15-09 07:57 PM |
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I didn't mean to suggest that the co-op movement is dead by any means. |
Jackpine Radical |
Nov-16-09 12:10 PM |
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Wisconsin and Minnesota ceratinly have a fine tradition of |
truedelphi |
Nov-15-09 08:26 PM |
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You can add Kansas as yet another state with a fine tradition of co ops. |
phasma ex machina |
Nov-16-09 12:32 AM |
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DH & I used to live in a small, MN town - pop. 1200. |
emmadoggy |
Nov-16-09 07:02 PM |
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Great op! |
Yuugal |
Nov-15-09 07:13 PM |
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I think our future now depends on building those bridges. |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 09:38 PM |
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K&R nt |
anonymous171 |
Nov-15-09 07:15 PM |
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...been advocating co-ops |
handmade34 |
Nov-15-09 07:17 PM |
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YAY CO-OPS! Mondragon is a brilliant example of how a co-op-based economy can work. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-15-09 07:26 PM |
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K&R |
Skittles |
Nov-15-09 07:27 PM |
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toward a more sustanable and healthy world, |
G_j |
Nov-15-09 07:56 PM |
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They are even involved with education... have established a university. |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 08:01 PM |
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Kick |
G_j |
Nov-15-09 09:44 PM |
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Thanks! |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 10:00 PM |
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I'll give it a kick, bobbolink |
loudsue |
Nov-16-09 01:16 AM |
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k & r n/t |
laughingliberal |
Nov-15-09 08:06 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Nov-15-09 08:09 PM |
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Thanks for the K&R, Bot! |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 08:12 PM |
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Excellent article. K&R. |
closeupready |
Nov-15-09 08:50 PM |
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Oh, that's shooting too low.... it would be ....... TERRA! |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 08:53 PM |
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Just being my usual negative self, lol. |
closeupready |
Nov-15-09 08:59 PM |
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Jerry Brown was talking up the Mondragon movement... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Nov-15-09 09:05 PM |
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more on Father A....and thanks for this! |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 09:08 PM |
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Brilliant! We need to learn more about this & spread the word! |
loudsue |
Nov-15-09 09:17 PM |
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I agree completely. How to get started? |
bobbolink |
Nov-15-09 09:23 PM |
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It's certainly a preferable alternative to our current cutthroat capitalism. |
StarfarerBill |
Nov-15-09 11:14 PM |
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That's a great place to start. Let's go to Chicago & talk to him. We need an appointment. |
loudsue |
Nov-15-09 11:51 PM |
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Prof. Schweickart's Loyola homepage hasn't been updated in over three years... |
StarfarerBill |
Nov-16-09 09:28 PM |
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Did you see post #61? |
bobbolink |
Nov-16-09 10:41 PM |
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Great post.... the anger hasn't even started yet...it will be ugly. |
RagAss |
Nov-15-09 09:18 PM |
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K n R. |
mzmolly |
Nov-15-09 10:02 PM |
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K&R! n/t |
juno jones |
Nov-15-09 10:56 PM |
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Very cool thanks for posting! |
Indenturedebtor |
Nov-15-09 11:31 PM |
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Arizmendi Bakeries... I know there's one in San Francisco, and another in Emeryville (East Bay)... |
LooseWilly |
Nov-16-09 12:17 AM |
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Yes, I shop at Rainbow Grocery in SF, it's a coop and has great food, house stuff and service. |
diane in sf |
Nov-16-09 01:50 AM |
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Interesting conversation with conservative fundie at work about this |
AllyCat |
Nov-16-09 12:52 AM |
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You have found the opening we should ALL be pursuing! |
bobbolink |
Nov-16-09 10:44 PM |
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Mondragon!!!...GREAT POST. thanks.. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-16-09 01:32 AM |
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K&R |
Vidar |
Nov-16-09 01:53 AM |
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Mondragon - kinda nice to know they are still in business |
hfojvt |
Nov-16-09 02:01 AM |
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So, you knew about this before..... news to me. |
bobbolink |
Nov-16-09 09:51 PM |
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Enthusiastic K&R |
Mithreal |
Nov-16-09 02:56 AM |
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kick |
Hannah Bell |
Nov-16-09 03:56 AM |
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K & R |
democrank |
Nov-16-09 04:03 AM |
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Excellent! Thank You So Much! |
Demeter |
Nov-16-09 04:33 AM |
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K&R!!! |
maryf |
Nov-16-09 05:10 AM |
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Great post bobbolink. K&R |
Cyrano |
Nov-16-09 06:09 AM |
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K&R |
NikolaC |
Nov-16-09 06:34 AM |
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K&R Did you see this feature about Pittsboro on Democracy Now? |
Turborama |
Nov-16-09 06:58 AM |
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W.L. Gore (Goretex) is another corporation with an interesting hierarchy |
lostnfound |
Nov-16-09 07:48 AM |
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k&r n/t |
blindpig |
Nov-16-09 08:00 AM |
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While this is very good for the workers, |
blindpig |
Nov-16-09 08:14 AM |
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Great post, bobbolink!! |
Kermitt Gribble |
Nov-16-09 08:14 AM |
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I always add 'stockholders' to ceo's when I'm angry about the arrogance of the |
peacetalksforall |
Nov-16-09 08:37 AM |
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We should never let that out of our sights |
blindpig |
Nov-16-09 09:59 AM |
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What's the difference? It's quite clear.... the stockholder of corporations collects a check |
bobbolink |
Nov-16-09 10:48 PM |
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Good morning. n/t |
Greyhound |
Nov-16-09 09:03 AM |
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K&R |
pleah |
Nov-16-09 09:43 AM |
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K&R! //nt |
Overseas |
Nov-16-09 09:51 AM |
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k and r |
femrap |
Nov-16-09 09:58 AM |
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Communism! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-16-09 10:41 AM |
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K&R |
dajoki |
Nov-16-09 11:30 AM |
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This needs to be pushed as responsible, green business |
Sinti |
Nov-16-09 11:46 AM |
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Thank you! K&R |
Bryn |
Nov-16-09 12:49 PM |
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finally! nt |
Deep13 |
Nov-16-09 01:00 PM |
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I hope this becomes the model of the future - humane coops instead of greedy corporations |
BREMPRO |
Nov-16-09 01:05 PM |
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The only hope we have is that WE MAKE it the model of the future! |
bobbolink |
Nov-16-09 10:50 PM |
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Fascinating |
varelse |
Nov-16-09 01:55 PM |
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Very interesting.... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-16-09 02:59 PM |
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Sounds like a sustainable system. . .n/t |
annabanana |
Nov-16-09 03:24 PM |
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Too late to rec, but here's another perspective. I was hired at a building co-op in '83. |
bertman |
Nov-16-09 09:02 PM |
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Thank you for sharing all of this! You have a fascinating story here... it sounds like its |
bobbolink |
Nov-17-09 04:24 PM |
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Funny, bobbolink, I'd never thought of a book about the co-op aspect of those years, but I have |
bertman |
Nov-17-09 09:30 PM |
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Would you be interested in writing a book? The more you talk about it, the more it sounds |
bobbolink |
Nov-18-09 02:45 PM |
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Great article, thanks for sharing nt |
Luciferous |
Nov-17-09 09:33 PM |
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. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-17-09 10:15 PM |
#125 |
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