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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 05:50 PM
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57. That's the problem we had with GWB. Every issue was...
...delineated in black vs. white terms. (You're with us or with the terrorists, etc.) Every issue was framed as a dichotomy...only two choices...no middle ground.

This headline continues it by reporting that Kerry says we can't just walk away...so the other, opposite, choice would be he must want us to stay indefinitely. THAT's just seeing our choices in black and white terms. Kerry's proposals are very 'gray'...to use a 2004 election term, they're 'nuanced.' That nuance gets spun. Neither the people, nor the media, seem to want to take the time to hear and understand what he is saying about policy.

It's time they did, because he tends to be correct. ;) That's all I'm saying.
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  -Sen. Kerry: US can't 'walk away' from Afghanistan bigtree  Nov-13-09 12:46 PM   #0 
  - The main reason we can't just walk away is that private contractors...  polichick   Nov-13-09 12:50 PM   #1 
  - I hate to say this (AGAIN) by Kerry's words are being spun AGAIN...  YvonneCa   Nov-13-09 02:06 PM   #19 
     - I'm not referring to Kerry - just saying why we can't leave.nt  polichick   Nov-13-09 02:21 PM   #24 
        - Chomsky said of Zinn's 67' book, The Logic of Withdrawal...  Echo In Light   Nov-13-09 02:27 PM   #28 
        - Ha! Exactly. Here's a recent look at our contractor situation:  polichick   Nov-13-09 03:19 PM   #45 
        - I know. Sorry, I meant to post this in a different...  YvonneCa   Nov-13-09 05:39 PM   #55 
           - No problem - this is a thread about Kerry. I SHOULD've been posting about him. nt  polichick   Nov-13-09 05:54 PM   #58 
  - Hill headline cherry picks to make it sound like he sides with hawk position - he doesn't.  blm   Nov-13-09 12:55 PM   #2 
  - I don't think the headline has that effect  bigtree   Nov-13-09 01:10 PM   #4 
  - You have more faith in The Hill than I do. I read it the way they intend.  blm   Nov-13-09 01:18 PM   #6 
  - he certainly does have a nuanced view.  bigtree   Nov-13-09 02:19 PM   #23 
     - But one would never KNOW that based on this short 'news' article that doesn't give any ink  blm   Nov-13-09 02:54 PM   #36 
        - I'm glad that you're providing all of that nuance for folks here  bigtree   Nov-13-09 03:03 PM   #39 
           - Well....knowing that Kerry prefers terrorism be dealt with as a law enforcement issue  blm   Nov-13-09 03:13 PM   #41 
           - blm  bigtree   Nov-13-09 03:15 PM   #42 
              - Saw one today in Charlotte. I usually see about 3-4 a week.  blm   Nov-13-09 03:25 PM   #46 
              - still love ya  bigtree   Nov-13-09 03:27 PM   #47 
                 - Hey... try menopause AND prednisone at the same time...heheh....  blm   Nov-13-09 04:13 PM   #50 
                    - YOU POOR THING.  emulatorloo   Nov-13-09 05:30 PM   #54 
                       - Actually, I'm not having the pred-head problems, at all. The physical side effects are  blm   Nov-14-09 07:56 AM   #67 
              - I've seen many of your past posts in support of Kerry  karynnj   Nov-13-09 06:12 PM   #60 
           - If a vote were held, it would be because a Senator  karynnj   Nov-13-09 06:09 PM   #59 
              - it all still amounts to staying past where I think is prudent  bigtree   Nov-13-09 07:22 PM   #63 
                 - You mean to prevent AQ from having a safe haven and not furtther destabalizing Pakistan?  karynnj   Nov-13-09 07:59 PM   #64 
  - He is definately not for occupation  karynnj   Nov-13-09 02:02 PM   #17 
     - show me where he says we should leave Afghanistan.  bigtree   Nov-13-09 02:06 PM   #18 
  - Did you hear what Tony Brown said in a recent interview?  redqueen   Nov-13-09 01:16 PM   #5 
  - But you have to admit all the pushing is fun to watch.  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-13-09 01:19 PM   #7 
     - Heh, yeah...  redqueen   Nov-13-09 01:23 PM   #10 
        - fucking great for the folks who are fighting and dying at the point of his decision  bigtree   Nov-13-09 02:40 PM   #31 
           - In Vietnam the soldiers stopped following orders, which did a lot to bring the war to an end.  redqueen   Nov-13-09 02:45 PM   #33 
              - what kind of shit is that? Enjoy?  bigtree   Nov-13-09 02:50 PM   #35 
                 - "Whoopee we're all gonna die!"  redqueen   Nov-13-09 02:56 PM   #37 
                    - 'your effort is wasted'  bigtree   Nov-13-09 03:04 PM   #40 
                       - Nice edit!  redqueen   Nov-13-09 03:15 PM   #43 
                          - too late  bigtree   Nov-13-09 03:16 PM   #44 
  - I hate to say this (AGAIN) by Kerry's words are being spun AGAIN...  YvonneCa   Nov-13-09 02:09 PM   #20 
  - "When will we stop falling for this spin?"  redqueen   Nov-13-09 02:23 PM   #26 
  - how do you interpret 'You can't just walk away'?  bigtree   Nov-13-09 02:29 PM   #29 
     - This is the fallacy of extremes.  Orsino   Nov-14-09 08:13 AM   #69 
        - Thank you! n/t  YvonneCa   Nov-14-09 11:25 AM   #79 
  - this post (article) doesn't imply that he's the 'enemy' at all  bigtree   Nov-13-09 02:25 PM   #27 
  - That's the problem we had with GWB. Every issue was...  YvonneCa   Nov-13-09 05:50 PM   #57 
     - that's just your interpretation  bigtree   Nov-13-09 10:49 PM   #66 
        - But he HAS made it clear.That's my point. And...  YvonneCa   Nov-14-09 10:49 AM   #70 
  - I agree with you and blm.  David Zephyr   Nov-13-09 04:42 PM   #53 
     - did he not say that?  bigtree   Nov-13-09 07:05 PM   #62 
        - Check THESE words...  YvonneCa   Nov-14-09 11:04 AM   #74 
           - they certainly qualify that statement of his. I don't deny that.  bigtree   Nov-14-09 11:41 AM   #81 
  - And to think this guy was  Enthusiast   Nov-13-09 04:36 PM   #51 
  - I thought the headline also was a dishonest read of Kerry's position.  David Zephyr   Nov-13-09 04:41 PM   #52 
  - Vietnam is doing just fine without us there. nt  Mari333   Nov-13-09 12:56 PM   #3 
  - Oh, yes we can. should have done it sooner in Viet Nam. nt  jasi2006   Nov-13-09 01:21 PM   #8 
  - Here is the video from the Imus show on that - Kerry said nothing that he hasn't said before  karynnj   Nov-13-09 01:22 PM   #9 
  - Yes, it can and it will.  David__77   Nov-13-09 01:27 PM   #11 
  - Pakistan is the new "falling domino". "We have to fight them there, so...."  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-13-09 01:27 PM   #12 
  - Pakistan is the new "falling domino". "We have to fight them there, so...."  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-13-09 01:29 PM   #13 
  - Senator Kerry is not advocating any such thing  ProSense   Nov-13-09 01:48 PM   #14 
  - True and he has made the case that it is Pakistan's own war against  karynnj   Nov-13-09 01:58 PM   #15 
  - Good! Can we then count on him to vote against funding the war?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-13-09 02:00 PM   #16 
     - He has before  ProSense   Nov-13-09 02:14 PM   #21 
        - Just what do you think he's advocating when he says this?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-13-09 02:18 PM   #22 
           - "what we need to do in Pakistan"  ProSense   Nov-13-09 02:22 PM   #25 
           - If you really want to know....  YvonneCa   Nov-14-09 11:07 AM   #75 
  - Considering that John Kerry was on Nixon's enemies list  Hippo_Tron   Nov-13-09 09:15 PM   #65 
  - He's right.. we need to RUN away  walldude   Nov-13-09 02:31 PM   #30 
  - If not now, when?  Major Hogwash   Nov-13-09 02:42 PM   #32 
  - When enough bodies come home and we're too broke to buy boot laces for the troops.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-13-09 02:47 PM   #34 
     - Or when the soldiers stop following orders.  redqueen   Nov-13-09 02:57 PM   #38 
        - I just saw this on Yahoo news.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-13-09 03:34 PM   #48 
  - "I don't think anybody believes that," Senator Kerry, if you only  Fire1   Nov-13-09 03:35 PM   #49 
  - yeah we are really going to be invaded by Pakistan  optimator   Nov-13-09 05:43 PM   #56 
  - There isn't going to be a military victory in Afghanistan. Every day we lose more and more troops.  Selatius   Nov-13-09 06:28 PM   #61 
  - And that's just what Kerry has been saying. People need...  YvonneCa   Nov-14-09 11:00 AM   #73 
  - Can't imagine why this guy didn't  Le Taz Hot   Nov-14-09 07:58 AM   #68 
  - I Was One Of Kerry's Biggest Admirers Since Viet Nam... But Now I'm  ChiciB1   Nov-14-09 10:59 AM   #71 
  - But ChiciB1...  YvonneCa   Nov-14-09 11:14 AM   #76 
  - Considering that Sen. Kerry has about 20 more years experience on matters such as these  wisteria   Nov-14-09 11:00 AM   #72 
  - Hi, wisteria...  YvonneCa   Nov-14-09 11:15 AM   #78 
  - Right, we should RUN AWAY from Afghanistan.  Swamp Rat   Nov-14-09 11:14 AM   #77 
     - You might enjoy this...  YvonneCa   Nov-14-09 11:27 AM   #80 
        - Thanks for the link.  Swamp Rat   Nov-14-09 12:20 PM   #82 
           - You are very welcome. I'm impressed that you watched it...  YvonneCa   Nov-14-09 05:22 PM   #83 
 

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