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The questions "public option" supporters won't answer
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1. Do you expect that the "public option" in the Senate bill will be "strong" and "robust"?

2. How many people do you expect will have access to it?

3. Will it substantially "help keep insurance companies honest"?

4. Will it bring America anywhere in line with other countries on health-care costs?

5. Why didn't you complain about Obama and company's lies about conducting an open-and-transparent process that considered all options?

6. How did the wafty public option plan become the only plan that leading progressives would dignify? Which is it: are the big bloggers and activists playing too much footsie with Beltway insiders... or have they simply become Beltway insiders themselves?

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  The questions "public option" supporters won't answer lwcon  Nov-11-09 02:52 PM   #0 
   All, thanks for the quick recs!  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:03 PM   #1 
   Ah, the "unrecs" are out in force  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:05 PM   #2 
      REC  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-11-09 03:13 PM   #9 
   Serious answer: It's a foot in the door for an expanded role  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:05 PM   #3 
   Foot in the door logic worked in 1960  AllentownJake   Nov-11-09 03:08 PM   #4 
   Failing does not breed success.  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:27 PM   #17 
      You are right failing doesn't breed success  AllentownJake   Nov-11-09 03:52 PM   #45 
         You have literally no idea of what it's like to try to pass  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:55 PM   #47 
            Oh I know  AllentownJake   Nov-11-09 04:05 PM   #52 
               It practically is 55-45.  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 05:24 PM   #57 
   Why strive for a theoretical "foot in the door" instead of good policy?  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:09 PM   #5 
      because today, in our political climate, there is no chance for 'good policy'  spanone   Nov-11-09 03:11 PM   #7 
      What climate is that?  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:33 PM   #22 
         the people who turned out to vote had 70 million different visions  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:40 PM   #30 
            2008 success  cark   Nov-11-09 05:22 PM   #55 
      You act as if single payer has ever been a serious possibility.  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:25 PM   #15 
      I act as if leadership and good policy are better than  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:34 PM   #24 
         No, we live in the real world, not the make believe world  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:35 PM   #26 
            Which make-believe world?  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:48 PM   #40 
            You pretend that the choice is between single payer and the public option.  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:50 PM   #44 
               Your responses here are complete straw men.  lwcon   Nov-11-09 04:02 PM   #50 
                  Then you don't care if the Democrats cave on the public option  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 05:28 PM   #59 
                     Yes, I don't care  lwcon   Nov-11-09 08:14 PM   #60 
            Best policy  cark   Nov-11-09 05:24 PM   #56 
      Because we can't pass good policy.  harun   Nov-11-09 05:25 PM   #58 
   OK, then  PVnRT   Nov-11-09 03:10 PM   #6 
   Let's start with #6  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:12 PM   #8 
   because Democrats get as many donations from the Industry  AllentownJake   Nov-11-09 03:13 PM   #10 
   Democrats like Kucinich?  berni_mccoy   Nov-11-09 03:41 PM   #32 
      I'm sure he has  AllentownJake   Nov-11-09 03:48 PM   #42 
   Go to OpenSecrets ...  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-11-09 03:16 PM   #11 
      Including Dems like Kucinich.  berni_mccoy   Nov-11-09 03:42 PM   #33 
   On #5  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:41 PM   #31 
   On #4, what evidence is there for that?  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:42 PM   #35 
   On #3  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:43 PM   #37 
   On # 1 and #2  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:45 PM   #38 
   I'll answer with some questions for Single Payer-only supporters  berni_mccoy   Nov-11-09 03:18 PM   #12 
   You can only answer a question with these irrelevant questions.  rudy23   Nov-11-09 03:23 PM   #14 
   The questions are equivalent nonsense. You want to be taken seriously, ask serious questions.  berni_mccoy   Nov-11-09 03:26 PM   #16 
      Don't try to unite people with bullshit  lwcon   Nov-11-09 04:03 PM   #51 
   + WIN nt  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:28 PM   #18 
   How do you "win" by dodging the questions? n/t  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:30 PM   #21 
      Because you're arguing for nothing in the alternative, which  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:34 PM   #23 
         If we continue to have brain-dead discourse, then you're right  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:38 PM   #28 
            The short answer is that the public option is better than nothing, but  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:42 PM   #34 
            Still not answering the questions  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:50 PM   #43 
            Short answer: public option is the best possibility, but not as good  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 03:43 PM   #36 
   Why are you dodging the questions?  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:29 PM   #19 
      Why are you asking stupid questions?  berni_mccoy   Nov-11-09 03:35 PM   #25 
         You've run rings around me logically  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:47 PM   #39 
            No, you are just spinning in circles all on your own.  berni_mccoy   Nov-11-09 03:54 PM   #46 
               Why not just admit that  lwcon   Nov-11-09 04:00 PM   #49 
                  Why not just admit that  berni_mccoy   Nov-11-09 04:59 PM   #54 
   The facts public option opponents ignore  ProSense   Nov-11-09 03:20 PM   #13 
   Why are you dodging the questions?  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:29 PM   #20 
      Why are you pretending that all your questions haven't been addressed? n/t  ProSense   Nov-11-09 03:37 PM   #27 
         And where are the good answers to those questions? n/t  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:39 PM   #29 
   Ok....  TheKentuckian   Nov-11-09 03:48 PM   #41 
      Follow-ups  lwcon   Nov-11-09 03:59 PM   #48 
         Yeah, on #2 I'm not talking who will but who can  TheKentuckian   Nov-11-09 04:40 PM   #53 
 

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