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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 10:42 AM
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3. Corporate money has weakend the party's drive for progressivism.
It's not political suicide; it's an inevitable result of legalized bribery, though it means that there is little to distinguish most Dems from Republicans in the public's eyes.

We are committing political suicide by letting them get away with it.
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  -The Democrats are committing political suicide AzNick  Nov-11-09 10:39 AM   #0 
  - I don't know if it's too late, but I don't think they are going to change course.  phantom power   Nov-11-09 10:40 AM   #1 
  - exactly.  robinlynne   Nov-11-09 11:33 AM   #47 
  - Boy, that says it all.  PurityOfEssence   Nov-11-09 10:52 PM   #94 
  - I hope so  jaksavage   Nov-11-09 10:42 AM   #2 
  - Corporate money has weakend the party's drive for progressivism.  Orsino   Nov-11-09 10:42 AM   #3 
  - It's corruption.  FredStembottom   Nov-11-09 10:46 AM   #7 
  - Yes.  closeupready   Nov-11-09 11:33 AM   #46 
  - Excellent point. Who said He would "vomit the lukewarm" or words to  Peregrine Took   Nov-11-09 10:47 AM   #10 
  - Agreed. Honestly, I think Congressional Dems. prefer to be in the minority. n/t  Laelth   Nov-11-09 10:44 AM   #4 
  - Yes, we must fulfill your stupid prophesy  jpak   Nov-11-09 06:52 PM   #90 
  - Most of the people in Washington are corrupt  lunatica   Nov-11-09 10:44 AM   #5 
  - RFK Jr. said 75% of Dems in Congress are corrupt, and 100% of Repubs.  tblue   Nov-11-09 10:54 AM   #20 
  - You do realize that only a small percentage call themselves 'progressives' ? It's somewhere around  sinkingfeeling   Nov-11-09 10:45 AM   #6 
  - So you want the Dems to take the same path as the GOP, which we laugh about every day?  Richardo   Nov-11-09 10:46 AM   #8 
  - Some apparently do, yes.  redqueen   Nov-11-09 10:50 AM   #15 
  - On health care, the public favored a robust Public Option. The House passed nothing of that sort.  Selatius   Nov-11-09 10:52 AM   #17 
  - They passed *something* of the sort  Richardo   Nov-11-09 10:54 AM   #21 
     - I specifically used "robust" in reference to the polls that used "robust"  Selatius   Nov-11-09 11:02 AM   #33 
     - The man who created the public option specifically said it has to be large and  robinlynne   Nov-11-09 11:39 AM   #51 
  - Isn't that characterization a little dishonest?  EFerrari   Nov-11-09 11:37 AM   #50 
  - If they aren't willing to stand up for Democratic principles, what's the point of electing them?  PVnRT   Nov-11-09 11:41 AM   #54 
     - +1 If they aren't willing to stand up for Democratic principles, what's the point of electing them?  Vincardog   Nov-11-09 02:36 PM   #78 
  - If you allow the GOP to take charge its you who are committing suicide  stray cat   Nov-11-09 10:47 AM   #9 
  - I agree. Im going to sit back and watch it happen.  Mari333   Nov-11-09 10:47 AM   #11 
  - I just posted the same general thought in a different thread.  tblue   Nov-11-09 10:48 AM   #12 
  - The Republicans are committing political suicide  Swede   Nov-11-09 10:48 AM   #13 
  - Some here seem to want to level out the playing field...  redqueen   Nov-11-09 10:51 AM   #16 
  - But older white folks will keep voting AT EVERY ELECTION  AzNick   Nov-11-09 10:55 AM   #22 
  - +1  treestar   Nov-11-09 11:59 AM   #64 
  - We can always fight to the end. Loses will be interpreted by  mmonk   Nov-11-09 10:49 AM   #14 
  - Yes, we need a leftwing Teabag movement to Scozzafava anyone  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 10:52 AM   #18 
  - A party of one would get the job done!  stray cat   Nov-11-09 10:54 AM   #19 
  - My favorite fail patrol member  AllentownJake   Nov-11-09 10:55 AM   #24 
  - Well, I just found out I'm a 'cheerleader for the insurance cartel'  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 10:56 AM   #26 
  - and his faithful sidekick  frylock   Nov-11-09 02:46 PM   #79 
  - Pot meet kettle  jpak   Nov-11-09 06:51 PM   #89 
  - "Left-wing teabag" for 100 points! Anyone can play DLC talking point bingo!  rudy23   Nov-11-09 05:11 PM   #84 
     - So says someone beating up last decade's bogeyman.  geek tragedy   Nov-11-09 05:49 PM   #85 
        - What position does Rahm Emanuel hold in the White House?  rudy23   Nov-12-09 11:08 AM   #101 
  - I'm truly sorry to say that I agree with you.... Many had such great hope only to find that...  LakeSamish706   Nov-11-09 10:55 AM   #23 
  - Was the really a surprise?  HALO141   Nov-11-09 11:46 AM   #59 
  - They'll keep ignoring the left as long as we hold our noses and settle for "not as bad".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-11-09 10:56 AM   #25 
  - Yeah, we should totally do like France and vote for the REAL progressive.  redqueen   Nov-11-09 10:57 AM   #28 
  - You prefer triangulation to the right?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-11-09 11:02 AM   #32 
  - I don't think I owe it to anyone but myself.  redqueen   Nov-11-09 11:14 AM   #37 
     - That's the problem for me. My conscience.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-11-09 11:25 AM   #41 
        - Having more Dems than Repukes means we have Dems in charge of committees.  redqueen   Nov-11-09 11:28 AM   #43 
           - Dems like Max Baucus?  PVnRT   Nov-11-09 11:43 AM   #55 
           - Yeah Dems like Max Baucus.  redqueen   Nov-11-09 11:56 AM   #62 
           - Of course not. But, that's a false dillema.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-11-09 01:00 PM   #71 
              - You don't get to pass. No matter what you do, one side will be in charge.  redqueen   Nov-11-09 01:03 PM   #72 
                 - Bottle A or Bottle B. I always vote, but sometimes, it's for bottle C.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-11-09 01:17 PM   #73 
                    - Yeah, we've discussed this before. :)  redqueen   Nov-11-09 02:02 PM   #75 
                       - Well, sometimes I have to disagree with an agreeable person.:)  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-11-09 02:22 PM   #77 
  - Oddly enough, Sarkozy would be leftist Democrat in this country  PVnRT   Nov-11-09 11:45 AM   #58 
     - Yeah but we're in this country.  redqueen   Nov-11-09 11:54 AM   #61 
        - There have to be better choices for the electorate to make better choices  PVnRT   Nov-11-09 12:08 PM   #67 
           - People who have Blue Dogs should try to primary them.  redqueen   Nov-11-09 12:11 PM   #69 
  - I agree.  Individualist   Nov-11-09 11:04 AM   #35 
  - Actually, it's independents who make or break a party.  cali   Nov-11-09 10:57 AM   #27 
  - Actual knowledge of politics is not welcome here.  redqueen   Nov-11-09 10:58 AM   #29 
  - I know. I know. Facts are inconvenient.  cali   Nov-11-09 10:59 AM   #30 
  - ...  Richardo   Nov-11-09 11:01 AM   #31 
     - ...  redqueen   Nov-11-09 11:14 AM   #38 
  - Policy successes or failue make or break a party.  mmonk   Nov-11-09 11:06 AM   #36 
  - Exactly!  kenfrequed   Nov-11-09 11:45 AM   #57 
  - Are the independents the ones manning phone banks and going door-to-door?  PVnRT   Nov-11-09 11:45 AM   #56 
     - delete  cali   Nov-11-09 03:35 PM   #82 
  - K&R--It's not only the base: When MIDDLE CLASS INDEPENDENTS get their inflated premiums & realize...  Faryn Balyncd   Nov-11-09 11:03 AM   #34 
  - +1 n/t  Laelth   Nov-11-09 11:25 AM   #40 
  - Thank you!  inna   Nov-11-09 06:44 PM   #87 
  - +1  leftstreet   Nov-12-09 01:46 AM   #95 
  - Its those GOPiacs who fucked up....not the Dems who enjoy over all support  opihimoimoi   Nov-11-09 11:22 AM   #39 
  - Check back in 7 years when Obama is finishing his second term.  azmouse   Nov-11-09 11:26 AM   #42 
  - Let's get through 2010  AllentownJake   Nov-11-09 11:29 AM   #44 
  - Step by step they are.  TheCowsCameHome   Nov-11-09 11:30 AM   #45 
  - -and the base will vote Republican instead? Disappointments aside, some of us  LeftinOH   Nov-11-09 11:34 AM   #48 
  - No they just don't vote  AllentownJake   Nov-11-09 01:28 PM   #74 
     - Or will find thrid parties that better represent their values  depakid   Nov-11-09 02:04 PM   #76 
  - If the Dems lose in 2010, teabaggers will win. If you want to sit home, knock yourself out  emulatorloo   Nov-11-09 11:34 AM   #49 
  - Dems have time to turn around. Burden's on them.  closeupready   Nov-11-09 11:49 AM   #60 
  - go team- ra ra- us against the teabaggers-what a load of shit  natrat   Nov-11-09 12:03 PM   #66 
  - I am getting pretty sick of DU'ers calling each other names - The point is to elect more and better  emulatorloo   Nov-12-09 10:36 AM   #96 
  - So, if the teabaggers are equivalent to the "loony left" for the Democrats,  PVnRT   Nov-11-09 12:10 PM   #68 
     - Where did I advocate "deflating the left wing" - the point is to elect more and better Dems  emulatorloo   Nov-12-09 10:38 AM   #99 
  - Gotta keep the two name brand party ruse alive and active or the true nature of the Game is revealed  Echo In Light   Nov-11-09 11:40 AM   #52 
  - ABSOLUTELY.  Arkana   Nov-11-09 11:41 AM   #53 
  - The opposite is true  treestar   Nov-11-09 11:58 AM   #63 
  - they are corrupt and are controlled by the same scum who controll the thugs  natrat   Nov-11-09 12:01 PM   #65 
  - Agree on 2010, but Obama will be reelected anyways.  Forkboy   Nov-11-09 12:13 PM   #70 
  - You get in F in Political Science 101. Politics is about capturing the center.  Odin2005   Nov-11-09 03:15 PM   #80 
  - And the center voted for progress  AzNick   Nov-11-09 04:05 PM   #83 
  - Progessives are not the dem base.  Codeine   Nov-11-09 03:18 PM   #81 
  - I agree.  JoeyT   Nov-11-09 06:41 PM   #86 
  - What is all this liberal divisiveness bullshit about?  jpak   Nov-11-09 06:49 PM   #88 
  - you sure  fascisthunter   Nov-12-09 10:37 AM   #98 
  - It's too late  placton   Nov-11-09 06:56 PM   #91 
  - Obama = Hoover  PHIMG   Nov-11-09 09:43 PM   #92 
  - It's the economy stupid!  janedum   Nov-11-09 10:07 PM   #93 
  - indeed...  fascisthunter   Nov-12-09 10:36 AM   #97 
  - Will it be liberal or moderate/Blue Dog Dems who lose?  Kaleva   Nov-12-09 10:46 AM   #100 
  - have you forgotten the previous eight years? cheney, rumsfeld et al. democrats haven't.  spanone   Nov-12-09 11:11 AM   #102 
  - That's the GOP plan for our party, even as they shoot themselves in the foot  Overseas   Nov-12-09 11:43 AM   #103 

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