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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:01 PM
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13. You can blame that on the Hill. It's their headline.
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  -Kucinich: House Dems bill not better than status quo ProSense  Nov-09-09 09:44 PM   #0 
  - Kucinich is the king of hyperbole  Egnever   Nov-09-09 09:46 PM   #1 
  - Facts don't count.  ProSense   Nov-09-09 09:50 PM   #2 
  - It's not a quote. Kucinich never said "status quo"  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 10:11 PM   #21 
     - So if he believes it's better than the status quo, why did he vote against it? n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:34 PM   #41 
     - .  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 10:43 PM   #50 
        - "the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. "  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:47 PM   #55 
           - They are and, in fact, they've openly stated that the mandate is the cat's pajamas.  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 11:17 PM   #70 
              - Nonsense.  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:20 PM   #72 
                 - They give some to get 36 million customers.  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 11:39 PM   #82 
                 - They get them, including those with pre-existing conditions. n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:53 PM   #86 
                 - they'll find a way around it  lame54   Nov-11-09 09:44 AM   #121 
     - Prosense does not engage in hyperbole. He engages in falsehoods and crusades  Go2Peace   Nov-10-09 12:07 AM   #88 
        - I'm really getting under your skin, aren't I? n/t  ProSense   Nov-10-09 12:20 AM   #91 
        - No, Not really.  Go2Peace   Nov-10-09 12:30 AM   #93 
        - fail  dionysus   Nov-10-09 01:43 PM   #104 
  - Kucinich lost me on this BS. Maybe for good.  w4rma   Nov-09-09 09:51 PM   #3 
  - The test is always honesty. In this case, he's flat out lying  ecstatic   Nov-09-09 09:55 PM   #6 
  - You're correct, ecstatic. And unfortunately for all the good issues he's pushed it harms his long  w4rma   Nov-09-09 09:57 PM   #7 
  - +1  redqueen   Nov-10-09 04:28 PM   #114 
  - So even though the title of the OP is not a quote  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 10:13 PM   #23 
     - So making inaccurate statements is OK with you?  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:24 PM   #33 
        - Co-pays will still be in effect for everything but prentive care.  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 10:36 PM   #42 
           - Now, you're just making excuses. n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:37 PM   #44 
              - No. I am thoughtfully reading Kucinich's statement and logically  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 10:40 PM   #46 
                 - No, you're making excuses. If the bill is better than the status quo, why vote against it? n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:49 PM   #57 
                    - Again..  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 11:09 PM   #64 
                       - "the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. " Repeat:  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:10 PM   #65 
                          - And I will repeat. They are.  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 11:19 PM   #71 
                             - Losing it, huh? The facts in the OP prove Kucinich's claims are bogus  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:26 PM   #73 
                                - No they don't. See now isn't this fun?  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 11:38 PM   #80 
                                   - "No they don't. See now isn't this fun?" Never tried denial so I wouldn't know. n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:39 PM   #81 
  - Kucinich ignores history  neuvocat   Nov-09-09 10:49 PM   #56 
  - He's picking up the Nader mantle.  MilesColtrane   Nov-10-09 01:22 PM   #102 
  - lol @ ProSense's anti-Kucinich tirade that has lasted for days now. Won't somebody listen to him? nt  t0dd   Nov-09-09 09:52 PM   #4 
  - Praising Kucinich is more important than the facts, right? n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 09:53 PM   #5 
  - Facts? That is an inaccurate quote attributed to DK, as far as I can tell.  tekisui   Nov-09-09 09:58 PM   #8 
     - Title of the article. Everything statement in that article is a complete distortion  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:01 PM   #11 
     - Yes. It is the title of the article but not a quote.  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 10:10 PM   #20 
     - You can blame that on the Hill. It's their headline.  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-09-09 10:01 PM   #13 
     - So you're suggesting he recognizes it would be an improvement, yet voted against anyway? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-09-09 10:04 PM   #15 
        - If you honestly want to know his reasons...  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 10:17 PM   #28 
  - Dennis tells the truth and keeps his word. He makes ProSense look bad  John Q. Citizen   Nov-09-09 10:00 PM   #9 
  - Who doesn't?  Forkboy   Nov-09-09 10:01 PM   #12 
     - Matter of fact, some folks don't need ANY help in that dept.  flvegan   Nov-09-09 10:08 PM   #19 
     - Yeah, isn't it sad? Some people think Kucinich's distortions are more relevant than truth  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:12 PM   #22 
        - Your argument is based on a fallacy.  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 10:24 PM   #32 
           - Nonsense.  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:31 PM   #39 
              - If you are going to present the headline as a basis for your argument,  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 10:38 PM   #45 
                 - The article was presented as the basis. Kucinich's distortions. n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:41 PM   #49 
                    - I think you lost a few words on the way from your brain to your fingers.  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 10:44 PM   #51 
                       - No, says it all: Kucinich's distortions. n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:46 PM   #53 
                          - Prosense has 10 nipples. There I said it so it must be true.  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 11:11 PM   #66 
                             - No you said, and it's beyond silly. Doesn't change the fact that Kucinich's claims are distortions.  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:14 PM   #68 
  - Oh, facts are anti-kucinich? Well, that's  Cha   Nov-09-09 10:14 PM   #26 
  - As for the facts, please see Luminous Animal's #32.  Greyhound   Nov-09-09 10:36 PM   #43 
     - I know what the facts are and dennis  Cha   Nov-09-09 10:47 PM   #54 
  - Ah yes, and so many recs he gets. He'll now sing to the choir, the rest will have him on ignore  Go2Peace   Nov-10-09 12:05 AM   #87 
     - See, you do care. LOL! n/t  ProSense   Nov-10-09 12:08 AM   #89 
  - Everybody look! Bullet points!  flvegan   Nov-09-09 10:00 PM   #10 
  - Everyone look! Denial.  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:05 PM   #16 
     - *snicker*  flvegan   Nov-09-09 10:08 PM   #18 
     - " Pelosi? Whatever"? So it's about the person not the facts? n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:13 PM   #24 
        - It's not fact.  flvegan   Nov-09-09 10:19 PM   #29 
           - So nothing that's in the bill is a fact?  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:21 PM   #30 
              - You got your Conculsions Mat out, didn't you?  flvegan   Nov-09-09 10:28 PM   #38 
                 - You didn't read the bill if you're questioning her statement about co-pays. n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:00 PM   #60 
                    - You're calling premonition fact.  flvegan   Nov-09-09 11:05 PM   #62 
                       - "This bill is nothing more than a discussion right now." He voted against a discussion?  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:06 PM   #63 
                          - Pathetic.  flvegan   Nov-09-09 11:13 PM   #67 
                          - You claimed a bill that was actually voted on is a "discussion" and you say I have no argument.  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:16 PM   #69 
                             - You don't.  flvegan   Nov-09-09 11:28 PM   #76 
                                - "And now you're boring, and no longer worth my time." You haven't presented one  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:30 PM   #77 
                          - What do you think the Senate is going to do?  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 11:32 PM   #78 
                             - "So yes, the bill is still in the discussion stage." Kucinich isn't in the Senate  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:34 PM   #79 
                                - The discussion about "discussion" had nothing to do with Kucinich  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 11:47 PM   #84 
                                   - The OP is about the House bill. The information is from the House bill  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:50 PM   #85 
     - My insurance company regularly denies me treatment for breast cancer  Luminous Animal   Nov-09-09 11:26 PM   #74 
        - "There is nothing in the bill to stop that." Wrong. n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:28 PM   #75 
           - Show me where in the bill that insurance companies  Luminous Animal   Nov-10-09 12:23 AM   #92 
              - It will be against the law for insurers to deny care.  ProSense   Nov-10-09 12:34 AM   #94 
                 - So, you can't show me because it is not there.  Luminous Animal   Nov-10-09 01:18 AM   #96 
  - mandates poison the whole bill  optimator   Nov-09-09 10:02 PM   #14 
  - You're welcome to choose that for yourself.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-09-09 10:06 PM   #17 
     - "Mandates are the whole point of a universal system"  Oregone   Nov-09-09 10:13 PM   #25 
     - So did you opt out of Canada-care?  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-09 09:18 AM   #98 
        - The *point* of Canada's UHC system is not to mandate people to enter into a commercial marketplace  Oregone   Nov-10-09 05:25 PM   #116 
           - Generally, when you visit a doctor in Canada, you are patronizing a private company. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-09 06:46 PM   #117 
              - No one in either place...  Oregone   Nov-10-09 07:58 PM   #118 
     - Mandates are the point of the system? I thought the point was  Bluenorthwest   Nov-10-09 04:06 PM   #112 
        - Universal = Mandatory.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-09 09:32 AM   #120 
  - I'll now wait and see what Bernie Sanders has to say about what happens in the Senate  G_j   Nov-09-09 10:15 PM   #27 
  - I think you should probably move on....  AllentownJake   Nov-09-09 10:23 PM   #31 
  - "If you honestly give a shit about this bill" You're telling me to move on?  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:25 PM   #35 
     - You are the oddest creature on this board  AllentownJake   Nov-09-09 10:27 PM   #37 
        - "You are the oddest creature on this board" After making that bizzare comment, you laugh? n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:32 PM   #40 
           - Here is what I think of your tirade the past few days  AllentownJake   Nov-09-09 10:40 PM   #48 
              - As long as you're constantly thinking about me  ProSense   Nov-09-09 10:44 PM   #52 
                 - .Good night Pro  AllentownJake   Nov-09-09 10:52 PM   #58 
  - In which paragraph does Kucinich compare the bill in question to the status quo?  SacramentoBlue   Nov-09-09 10:25 PM   #34 
  - ...And 45,000 more people die. n/t  Unvanguard   Nov-09-09 10:26 PM   #36 
  - Except for the millions it will help? Huh? nt  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 10:40 PM   #47 
  - It's like the Iraq war, Bonobo. It helped millions. The only down side it that it  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 09:16 AM   #97 
  - Bernie Sanders said there's plenty of good stuff in it.  Lord Helmet   Nov-09-09 10:54 PM   #59 
  - Yes, he made perfect sense on Rachel Maddow's show tonight. n/t  ProSense   Nov-09-09 11:02 PM   #61 
  - where did he say that?  bigtree   Nov-09-09 11:40 PM   #83 
  - Here.  Bonobo   Nov-10-09 12:08 AM   #90 
     - You didn't quote Kucinich directly. You quoted the article  SacramentoBlue   Nov-10-09 12:52 AM   #95 
     - Again, if the bill is better than the status quo, why did Kucinich vote against it?  ProSense   Nov-10-09 12:05 PM   #99 
     - hmm  bigtree   Nov-10-09 12:15 PM   #100 
        - "Yes there are aspects of the House bill that are troubling."  ProSense   Nov-10-09 12:53 PM   #101 
           - You claim the alternative is no bill.  tekisui   Nov-10-09 01:41 PM   #103 
           - Nonsense.  ProSense   Nov-10-09 01:50 PM   #105 
           - Also, he did make the claim  ProSense   Nov-10-09 01:52 PM   #106 
           - his vote was inconsequential to passage and he and everyone else knew that going in.  bigtree   Nov-10-09 03:00 PM   #107 
              - "His vote serves to highlight his disagreement with some of the provisions. "  ProSense   Nov-10-09 03:38 PM   #108 
                 - tantrum?  bigtree   Nov-10-09 03:49 PM   #109 
                    - Yes, tantrum.  ProSense   Nov-10-09 03:52 PM   #110 
                       - neither did Kucinich  bigtree   Nov-10-09 03:53 PM   #111 
  - Well of course, Dennis did not say what the title claims.  Bluenorthwest   Nov-10-09 04:20 PM   #113 
  - tell that to all the folks with "pre-existing conditions", Dennis.  Odin2005   Nov-10-09 04:30 PM   #115 
  - Recommended.  saltpoint   Nov-10-09 08:03 PM   #119 

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