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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:06 AM
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34. Hmmm
Japanese Americans were put in concentration camps during WWII. On the other hand, The U.S. was a predominantly christian country when it went to war with Germany, another christian country, and Italy, yet another christian country. We've been to war with people like us a million times. We even killed our own christian brothers exclusively during the civil war.
I have never known christians to lack heart for killing each other for whatever reason, and it seems that muslims are not constituted any differently. The conflicts within islam are just as bloody as any christian vs. christian conflict imaginable.

BTW, Your post script is a different issue entirely. A muslim going to war against another muslim and an Italian-American going to war against Italy are not comparable scenarios. Put it this way, if I'm an ex-pat American living in Morocco, I wouldn't go to war against the U.S., no matter what. But if I'm a christian American ex-pat in Morocco, I wouldn't have a problem fighting other christians.
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  -American Muslim soldiers -how should they be treated? Bonobo  Nov-09-09 09:19 AM   #0 
  - The same as any other soldier. Frankly. I'd be more afraid of the batshit crazy fundie  piratefish08   Nov-09-09 09:21 AM   #1 
  - Either way, as long as this world continues to fight about who's god has the bigger  piratefish08   Nov-09-09 09:22 AM   #2 
  - Any person who is against fighting in the Middle East or any other place should not enlist  slackmaster   Nov-09-09 09:23 AM   #3 
  - What about those that enlisted before it started?  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 09:24 AM   #4 
     - I mean ANY place - Even a place where there is no conflict right now.  slackmaster   Nov-09-09 09:26 AM   #6 
        - I understand the ideal, of course.  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 09:32 AM   #10 
           - Any soldier who is morally opposed to any particular conflict should get a general discharge  slackmaster   Nov-09-09 09:38 AM   #13 
              - And is such a thing currently possible?  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 09:40 AM   #14 
                 - I don't know how hard it is  slackmaster   Nov-09-09 09:43 AM   #18 
                    - Yes, quite right.  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 09:47 AM   #23 
  - The same way as everybody else  MiniMe   Nov-09-09 09:26 AM   #5 
  - Great and courageous post. Hard questions, but these must be asked.  NYC_SKP   Nov-09-09 09:27 AM   #7 
  - Thanks.  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 09:34 AM   #11 
  - During WWII my FIL was given a choice  eleny   Nov-09-09 09:28 AM   #8 
  - My great, great uncles didn't want to serve in WW1 because they were from there.  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 09:31 AM   #9 
  - My grandfather was sentenced to life in prison because his CO status for WWI was denied  slackmaster   Nov-09-09 09:41 AM   #15 
     - Wow. And did this affect your decision to join in any way?  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 09:42 AM   #16 
        - It affected my religious beliefs. I am a third-generation Agnostic.  slackmaster   Nov-09-09 09:44 AM   #21 
  - If Muslim soldiers come forward requesting to leave the military,  TwilightGardener   Nov-09-09 09:36 AM   #12 
  - They should be treated exactly like any other soldier...  hayu_lol   Nov-09-09 09:49 AM   #25 
     - They should be--except when there are signs of trouble, as in Hasan's case.  TwilightGardener   Nov-09-09 09:59 AM   #31 
  - No, I don't think that's the answer.  cali   Nov-09-09 09:43 AM   #17 
  - "Don't join if you're conflicted"  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 09:44 AM   #19 
     - As someone pointed out upthread, the mideast has been a possible war zone  cali   Nov-09-09 09:50 AM   #26 
     - Responding...  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 09:54 AM   #27 
        - What?? You think that an Italian American who was morally opposed  cali   Nov-09-09 09:57 AM   #28 
           - Well, the Japanese were marched off to internment camps because of distrust.  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 10:02 AM   #33 
              - as long as there is no draft , no one is forced to join.  cali   Nov-09-09 10:19 AM   #42 
                 - I have no such assumption.  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 10:24 AM   #48 
                    - say what? devout Muslims kill other Muslims day in and day out  cali   Nov-09-09 02:40 PM   #52 
     - And others develop dangerous viewpoints AFTER enlistment, and they should be found, dealt with.  NYC_SKP   Nov-09-09 09:58 AM   #30 
     - And still others who may enlist PRECISELY because they want to stir shit....  NYC_SKP   Nov-09-09 10:00 AM   #32 
  - That's absurd.  Codeine   Nov-09-09 09:44 AM   #20 
  - Agreed. But...  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 09:46 AM   #22 
     - I'd be open to that  Codeine   Nov-09-09 09:49 AM   #24 
  - The Military Should Provide Sensitivity Training and Kick Out Bigots  EndersDame   Nov-09-09 09:58 AM   #29 
  - The crux of this thread appears to be ONE misguided Shrink...  hayu_lol   Nov-09-09 10:14 AM   #39 
     - I did not realize one could simply resign in his position. That changes everything if true.  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 10:17 AM   #41 
        - I believe that's true but then he would have had to pay back the hundreds of thousands  cali   Nov-09-09 10:20 AM   #44 
        - I understood that he offered to do so. nt  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 10:21 AM   #46 
        - You can resign your commission, but I'm sure there are limiting factors to that.  TwilightGardener   Nov-09-09 10:30 AM   #49 
        - There is nothing anywhere that I have found to date...  hayu_lol   Nov-09-09 10:59 AM   #51 
  - Hmmm  montanto   Nov-09-09 10:06 AM   #34 
  - Absurd  Brooklyns_Finest   Nov-09-09 10:06 AM   #35 
  - Tell the dead soldiers and their families how insulting my post was.  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 10:10 AM   #36 
     - What is your point?  Brooklyns_Finest   Nov-09-09 10:20 AM   #45 
        - He was not a terrorist.  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 10:31 AM   #50 
  - They are soldiers. They should go where they are sent and obey orders.  Glorfindel   Nov-09-09 10:10 AM   #37 
  - "To say that muslims must be treated "differently" is absurd."  Bonobo   Nov-09-09 10:12 AM   #38 
  - Equally  MattNC   Nov-09-09 10:15 AM   #40 
  - Sensitivity is a good idea. There is a horrible lack of understanding on our part.  Xenotime   Nov-09-09 10:19 AM   #43 
  - I don't see it this way.......  trayfoot   Nov-09-09 10:22 AM   #47 
  - Separation of Church and State.  uppityperson   Nov-09-09 02:52 PM   #53 

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