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Reply #73: i'm willing to accept a bill that isn't even close to being great, but that saves lives. [View All]

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Response to Reply #72
73. i'm willing to accept a bill that isn't even close to being great, but that saves lives.
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 05:18 PM by dionysus
i think we're all well versed in how corporate money has corrupted politics. i think obama and the non-sold-out dems are trying their damnedest to get whatever good they can out of a bad situation.

the alternative of doing nothing will cost many lives.
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  Recommend if you consider single payer to be the best option BolivarianHero  Nov-09-09 09:35 AM   #0 
   I had it under military medicine and while living in Tee Oh. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-09-09 09:36 AM   #1 
   I live in Oh Tee :D  BolivarianHero   Nov-09-09 09:38 AM   #5 
   I'm heading up there in a week. Can't wait to have morning coffee and bagel at Timothy's  Captain Hilts   Nov-09-09 09:50 AM   #7 
      Might as well say K&R if you prefer democracy to corporatocracy  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 02:01 AM   #150 
         WE are witnessing the corporatocracy in action.Defeating it means getting HC reform with a public op  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 02:02 AM   #151 
            It is all we are being"allowed" but will open the door to SP by getting gov.involved ins.  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 02:03 AM   #152 
               But why it's gotten this way is deregulation, tax cuts on the wealthy, and greed.  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 02:04 AM   #153 
                  In other words republicans and corporate dems.  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 02:05 AM   #154 
   Of course.  bonnieS   Nov-10-09 09:38 AM   #176 
   knr!~ Of course.  tekisui   Nov-09-09 09:36 AM   #2 
   I Like Pie  KharmaTrain   Nov-09-09 09:37 AM   #3 
   In the sky?  hay rick   Nov-09-09 05:28 PM   #76 
   K&R! n/t  juno jones   Nov-09-09 09:38 AM   #4 
   Gladly K&R.  closeupready   Nov-09-09 09:46 AM   #6 
   +1  Odin2005   Nov-09-09 09:54 AM   #8 
   K&R  NikolaC   Nov-09-09 10:11 AM   #9 
   Sure, I'll recommend.  Tommy_Carcetti   Nov-09-09 10:13 AM   #10 
   Yes it is.  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 04:16 PM   #61 
   We Need A Truly National Referendum on Health Care Reform  justinaforjustice   Nov-09-09 10:21 AM   #11 
   The Freepers would spoil their ballot in confusion...  BolivarianHero   Nov-09-09 11:09 AM   #15 
   No shit. If we can put civil rights up to a popular vote, we should be able to do so with healthcare  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-09-09 12:13 PM   #22 
   I Live in a "Universal Health Care" Country too-- Venezuela.  justinaforjustice   Nov-09-09 10:29 AM   #12 
   B-B-But...TEH DICKTAYTER IZ TO BIZZEE KONKERING KULUMBIA!!!!  BolivarianHero   Nov-09-09 11:07 AM   #13 
   How do you say... um... FUCKING DUH!  redqueen   Nov-09-09 11:09 AM   #14 
   Single Payer Is The Only Rational Option  ProleNoMore   Nov-09-09 11:39 AM   #16 
   Yep...  BolivarianHero   Nov-09-09 12:02 PM   #19 
   Nope, there's fully nationalised, in which the state owns the hospitals too  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-09-09 03:43 PM   #56 
      Agreed, The Best Would Be The Elimination Of All For Profit Mentality From The System  ProleNoMore   Nov-09-09 03:46 PM   #57 
      +1  tblue   Nov-09-09 03:53 PM   #58 
      I will sign on. nt  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 04:19 PM   #62 
      I don't want politics involved in the specifics of my healthcare,  pundaint   Nov-09-09 05:45 PM   #78 
   We need to remake our party such that Single Payer is possible. n/t  PHIMG   Nov-09-09 11:40 AM   #17 
   If by remake you mean fire the bastards in the primary, fire the bastaards  pundaint   Nov-09-09 05:47 PM   #80 
      Yes fire them in the primaries, absolutely, that's what I meant.  PHIMG   Nov-10-09 01:04 AM   #145 
   K&R  dccrossman   Nov-09-09 11:46 AM   #18 
   Hell YES!!  avaistheone1   Nov-09-09 12:09 PM   #20 
   It is the best option  Bluenorthwest   Nov-09-09 12:11 PM   #21 
   Oh, definitely, but..  Lucy Goosey   Nov-09-09 12:15 PM   #23 
   K and EFFIN' R!  kestrel91316   Nov-09-09 12:21 PM   #24 
   Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Nov-09-09 12:21 PM   #25 
   Rec  Echo In Light   Nov-09-09 12:22 PM   #26 
   Unrec.  Iggo   Nov-09-09 12:23 PM   #27 
   How's that workin for ya? nt  rhett o rick   Nov-09-09 10:09 PM   #127 
      Beautifully!  Iggo   Nov-09-09 10:14 PM   #129 
         Good, and I dont think unrecs are that big a deal. Peace nt  rhett o rick   Nov-09-09 11:10 PM   #134 
   REC  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 12:24 PM   #28 
   rec+120!  inna   Nov-09-09 12:26 PM   #29 
   Easy and cheap! /nt  philly_bob   Nov-09-09 12:34 PM   #30 
   Since it was never up for a vote by the full House, it is not an option.  MilesColtrane   Nov-09-09 12:34 PM   #31 
   Single payer is the only answer that makes any s ense  emald   Nov-09-09 12:39 PM   #32 
   We were robbed.  jtrockville   Nov-09-09 12:39 PM   #33 
   Robbed and somehow many were convinced that  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 06:05 PM   #87 
   Imagine how convincing leadership could have been if they'd  jtrockville   Nov-09-09 07:04 PM   #96 
      I knew the minute that Obama let his notion of "Deficit Neutral"  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 07:16 PM   #101 
         FDA doesn't consider "we the people" their clients.  jtrockville   Nov-09-09 09:52 PM   #126 
   If you think you was robbed, wait till you see the Senate bill. nt  rhett o rick   Nov-09-09 10:10 PM   #128 
   K&R  leftstreet   Nov-09-09 12:40 PM   #34 
   K&R  pleah   Nov-09-09 12:42 PM   #35 
   nice try. but 'Single Payer' was never on the table  Aramchek   Nov-09-09 01:01 PM   #36 
   "'Single Payer' was never on the table."  Quasimodem   Nov-09-09 01:18 PM   #41 
   it's the truth. if you don't even know that much, how can you accomplish anything  Aramchek   Nov-09-09 01:24 PM   #44 
   Thanks for the circular logic  RufusTFirefly   Nov-09-09 02:47 PM   #48 
      Let's start from scratch!  Riverman   Nov-09-09 02:50 PM   #50 
      Doesnt matter the reasons  Egnever   Nov-09-09 03:56 PM   #59 
      A coherent understanding emerges!  pundaint   Nov-09-09 05:53 PM   #81 
      it wasn't on the table because it didn't have the votes, pure and simple.  dionysus   Nov-09-09 04:58 PM   #70 
         But why?  RufusTFirefly   Nov-09-09 05:03 PM   #72 
            i'm willing to accept a bill that isn't even close to being great, but that saves lives.  dionysus   Nov-09-09 05:16 PM   #73 
               So, you'll be confronting rapacious corporations by making them even richer?  RufusTFirefly   Nov-09-09 05:24 PM   #74 
               you're so fired up you can't even discuss this rationally anymore. you probably think the  dionysus   Nov-09-09 05:29 PM   #77 
                  I detect some irrationality, but it's not coming from me  RufusTFirefly   Nov-09-09 05:46 PM   #79 
               Except. of course, this bill doesn't do that -- it's worse than nothing at all  nichomachus   Nov-09-09 06:33 PM   #93 
   True.  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 04:20 PM   #63 
      They said that to John Brown about slavery, didn't they?  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-09 08:09 PM   #117 
         Look at all the trouble he caused!  Enthusiast   Nov-10-09 04:44 AM   #159 
   Actually if you research the early Obama, the guy who ran back in 2004  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 07:25 PM   #108 
   Precisely...  Techn0Girl   Nov-09-09 07:58 PM   #116 
   I know, DEMS took it off the table: Kennedy, Baucus and Obama took it off. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-10-09 09:05 AM   #171 
   K&R - Single payer is the only option  man4allcats   Nov-09-09 01:10 PM   #37 
   Without question. n/t  Hun Joro   Nov-09-09 01:13 PM   #38 
   Of course it is the best option, in terms of both cost and services provided.  earcandle   Nov-09-09 01:16 PM   #39 
   Rec, rec, rec, rec, rec, rec, rec, rec!!!!!  valerief   Nov-09-09 01:16 PM   #40 
   It's the best, and most economical option  Sinti   Nov-09-09 01:20 PM   #42 
   Of course we back this plan  Generic Other   Nov-09-09 01:22 PM   #43 
   By far the best, not that facts make any difference.  Stevepol   Nov-09-09 01:25 PM   #45 
   I favor SP or an NHS type system  supernova   Nov-09-09 01:38 PM   #46 
   Do you mean the option that covers everyone and is the cheapest with no co-pays or deductibles? Who  Vincardog   Nov-09-09 01:39 PM   #47 
   Single-Payer Yes, Congress and seniors have it now! the rest of  Riverman   Nov-09-09 02:47 PM   #49 
   Same here. I will never forgive those with (D's) after their names  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 06:04 PM   #86 
   K&R. nt  OnyxCollie   Nov-09-09 03:00 PM   #51 
   K&R  Vidar   Nov-09-09 03:01 PM   #52 
   K&R, but for the record, I hate these posts. n/t  Greyhound   Nov-09-09 03:02 PM   #53 
   Yup!  theFrankFactor   Nov-09-09 03:14 PM   #54 
   We're not ready for Single Payer  Blue State Blues   Nov-09-09 03:43 PM   #55 
   We only need the will and  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 04:23 PM   #65 
   I had the equivalent of it under the Yale Health Plan in the late 1970s  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-09-09 04:12 PM   #60 
   No Brainer  colsohlibgal   Nov-09-09 04:21 PM   #64 
   Absolutely the best  peace frog   Nov-09-09 04:32 PM   #66 
   Every election must be about health care for as long as it takes!  Maineman   Nov-09-09 04:56 PM   #67 
   best, but unfortunately not viable in the current political landscape.  dionysus   Nov-09-09 04:57 PM   #68 
   kick for single-payer. nt  Ardent15   Nov-09-09 04:57 PM   #69 
   Huge Rec! The U.S. has officially become a corrupt third world country. nt  earth mom   Nov-09-09 04:58 PM   #71 
   It's the GOP's "third world America" . . . they're long been working for -- !!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 06:01 PM   #85 
   Have you even been to a third-world country?  Starbucks Anarchist   Nov-09-09 06:07 PM   #88 
   Ever been to Appalachia?  stlsaxman   Nov-09-09 07:01 PM   #95 
      No, but I've been to India.  Starbucks Anarchist   Nov-09-09 07:23 PM   #104 
   Maybe not "third world", but certainly a "fallen empire".  jtrockville   Nov-09-09 07:05 PM   #97 
   You rock!  lightningandsnow   Nov-09-09 05:28 PM   #75 
   K&R (nt)  Autumn Colors   Nov-09-09 05:59 PM   #82 
   Medicare for all -- everyone in, no one out --  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 06:00 PM   #83 
   My first post and first K&R  unaffiliated liberal   Nov-09-09 06:01 PM   #84 
   Welcome aboard DU  chill_wind   Nov-09-09 08:50 PM   #119 
      Thanks Chilly!  unaffiliated liberal   Nov-10-09 07:43 AM   #165 
   Easy to rec this. It is the best system, but in the U.S. at this time it's not pragmatic  ProSense   Nov-09-09 06:10 PM   #89 
   Wrong. It takes guts. And a leader who can step up to the plate when it's his turn to bat.  grahamhgreen   Nov-09-09 06:12 PM   #90 
      Wrong?  ProSense   Nov-09-09 06:23 PM   #92 
         Back at the time of MediCare, the lobbyists did not call all the shots  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 07:10 PM   #98 
            So Obama is the leader you're waiting for?  ProSense   Nov-09-09 07:15 PM   #100 
               Do you really believe that with the increased set of profits that the  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 07:19 PM   #103 
                  Actually, I think the insurance companies are  ProSense   Nov-09-09 07:40 PM   #109 
                     Pls let me know if tht Amendment ever becomes law.  truedelphi   Nov-10-09 03:21 AM   #156 
   K & R....  winyanstaz   Nov-09-09 06:12 PM   #91 
   Rec'd  anonymous171   Nov-09-09 06:33 PM   #94 
   Of course it's the best option.  mother earth   Nov-09-09 07:13 PM   #99 
   Fuck yeah!  Jim Sagle   Nov-09-09 07:17 PM   #102 
   Wonderfuly thought out reply ....  Techn0Girl   Nov-09-09 07:51 PM   #114 
      Obfuscation is not a virtue. Neither is changing the subject, or shooting the messenger.  Jim Sagle   Nov-09-09 09:50 PM   #125 
   For transition purposes, yes, recommended.  mmonk   Nov-09-09 07:23 PM   #105 
   Brought up on it  Rosa Luxemburg   Nov-09-09 07:25 PM   #106 
   Recommend  TexasObserver   Nov-09-09 07:25 PM   #107 
   Of course...It's the ONLY way to making sure every citizen is fully & adequately covered...  LaPera   Nov-09-09 07:41 PM   #110 
   Absolutely.  silverweb   Nov-09-09 07:43 PM   #111 
   yes I want to join the rest of the civilized world  KakistocracyHater   Nov-09-09 07:45 PM   #112 
   Me too!  GreenTea   Nov-09-09 07:53 PM   #115 
   Oh alright  underseasurveyor   Nov-09-09 07:49 PM   #113 
   of course it is... ;)  indimuse   Nov-09-09 08:49 PM   #118 
   Hells yes!! nt  and-justice-for-all   Nov-09-09 08:59 PM   #120 
   I am happy for you. We should not stop pushing until  gtar100   Nov-09-09 09:04 PM   #121 
   K&R n/t  ms liberty   Nov-09-09 09:14 PM   #122 
   Absolutely - K&R  HughMoran   Nov-09-09 09:36 PM   #123 
   k&r  bagimin   Nov-09-09 09:46 PM   #124 
   Single Payer... ready for it now nt  Agony   Nov-09-09 10:35 PM   #130 
   ooh, rec'd and I never recommend the "recommend me" threads.  nilram   Nov-09-09 10:42 PM   #131 
   Not only the best option, the ONLY option!  Roland99   Nov-09-09 10:46 PM   #132 
   +1  donheld   Nov-09-09 10:49 PM   #133 
   Pardon my French But Fuck yeah!!!!  maxpower   Nov-09-09 11:15 PM   #135 
   k and r  hellsbeagle   Nov-09-09 11:18 PM   #136 
   KAY AND ARR  L0oniX   Nov-09-09 11:29 PM   #137 
   Yes and thanks for this thread.  ipaint   Nov-09-09 11:35 PM   #138 
   At last: Something a huge majority of DUers are able to agree on!  intheflow   Nov-09-09 11:58 PM   #139 
   you 659 people are unrealistic. you want ponies, & they're only handing out sacks of horse poop.  Hannah Bell   Nov-10-09 12:01 AM   #140 
   I'm sure it means nothing,  Rincewind   Nov-10-09 12:27 AM   #141 
   Float like a butterfly! Tee Hee Hee!  Agony   Nov-10-09 12:29 AM   #142 
   so this is how du REALLY feels about health care reform! k&r  tomp   Nov-10-09 12:51 AM   #143 
   I do.  WheelWalker   Nov-10-09 12:58 AM   #144 
   Yep... K & R !!!  WillyT   Nov-10-09 01:22 AM   #146 
   K&R K&R K&R K&R  Vroomfondel   Nov-10-09 01:27 AM   #147 
   K&R - lots and lots of K&R  tomm2thumbs   Nov-10-09 01:37 AM   #148 
   K&R  madmax   Nov-10-09 01:59 AM   #149 
   K&R #700  LSK   Nov-10-09 02:32 AM   #155 
   rec 711 for good luck!  Divine Discontent   Nov-10-09 04:25 AM   #158 
   If everyone who rec'd this thread made 10 calls to their congressmen, that's be 7,000 calls!  BigBearJohn   Nov-10-09 03:51 AM   #157 
   K&R  NecklyTyler   Nov-10-09 05:46 AM   #160 
   K & R.  Brigid   Nov-10-09 06:34 AM   #161 
   Single payer  democrank   Nov-10-09 06:55 AM   #162 
   K & R & Dumb Question  Dinger   Nov-10-09 07:35 AM   #163 
   K&R  G_j   Nov-10-09 07:37 AM   #164 
   Add me.  Joe Bacon   Nov-10-09 08:14 AM   #166 
   K&R n/t  anniebelle   Nov-10-09 08:25 AM   #167 
   Yes single payer is the best. But UNREC!!!!!!!  itsrobert   Nov-10-09 08:32 AM   #168 
   '...our democratic government is in league with wealthy interests which are exploiting its people..'  seafan   Nov-10-09 08:41 AM   #169 
   Maybe someday we will use the the MOUNTAIN of dry powder we have accrued  Agony   Nov-10-09 08:55 AM   #170 
   Hi! I am rec #767 !!!  the other one   Nov-10-09 09:22 AM   #172 
   770 recs  Orwellian_Ghost   Nov-10-09 09:34 AM   #173 
   k & r..n/t  prairierose   Nov-10-09 09:34 AM   #174 
   It is the best option. Now back to the real world...  ecstatic   Nov-10-09 09:38 AM   #175 
   Too late to recommend, but I'll give it a kick.  LWolf   Nov-10-09 09:38 AM   #177 
 

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