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Mon Nov-09-09 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #126 |
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Faryn Balyncd |
Nov-08-09 10:55 AM |
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K & R |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-08-09 11:05 AM |
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For all my bitching, I will say one good thing about this bill's passage: |
FlyingSquirrel |
Nov-08-09 11:06 AM |
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The tea baggers are the allies of those who wanted to pass this bill. It made it hard to oppose this |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:18 AM |
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Just tell me where you would get the votes for single payer? They weren't there |
still_one |
Nov-08-09 11:20 AM |
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See, that's where this thing called "leadership" comes in. |
Greyhound |
Nov-08-09 11:32 AM |
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You can have all the leadership in the world, and the blue dogs and republicans would have nothing |
still_one |
Nov-08-09 11:40 AM |
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The republiks are, or would be id the Democrats would quit saving them, irrelevant and |
Greyhound |
Nov-08-09 12:12 PM |
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Thank you for your usual common sense. |
truedelphi |
Nov-08-09 05:16 PM |
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Nice post . . . love Kucinich . .. well, corporate-press has been lying to the public |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:23 AM |
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Nonsense.. |
sendero |
Nov-08-09 05:04 PM |
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Word. n/t |
truedelphi |
Nov-08-09 05:17 PM |
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In additon, Obama had the advantage of the majority of the people |
dflprincess |
Nov-08-09 11:21 PM |
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Obama has already said "The American people will decide if I RUN in 2012" |
Lorien |
Nov-08-09 11:39 PM |
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Obama has said a lot of things |
dflprincess |
Nov-08-09 11:54 PM |
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Don't believe everything he says? I don't believe anything he says. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-09-09 10:28 AM |
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So true. So sad. |
tblue |
Nov-08-09 11:49 PM |
#68 |
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That's where I am too and I thought I wouldn't be doing anymore of that after the election. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-09-09 10:31 AM |
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+1 n/t |
appal_jack |
Nov-09-09 09:38 AM |
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The filthy rich were the only ones that were bailed out!!! How can you not see this a year later |
earth mom |
Nov-09-09 02:52 AM |
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For less than $11 Trillion Obama could have wiped out every mortgage and every credit card debt |
fasttense |
Nov-09-09 04:31 AM |
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You're arguing that capitalism "has to be bailed out" . . .???? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:20 AM |
#116 |
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Yep. BushCo and Reagan rammed plenty of things through when Dems |
Lorien |
Nov-08-09 11:34 PM |
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Exactly, but we're supposed to buy this "can't be done" bullshit time after time? |
Greyhound |
Nov-08-09 11:49 PM |
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Can't say that often enough.... Republicans win when they lose ... Dems lose when they win or lose!! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:28 AM |
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You got that right |
Scruffy1 |
Nov-09-09 01:22 AM |
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You got that right |
Scruffy1 |
Nov-09-09 01:22 AM |
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb... |
TheEuclideanOne |
Nov-09-09 10:15 AM |
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Thanks, I think it sums up the idea they were going for. n/t |
Greyhound |
Nov-09-09 09:55 PM |
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Fuck single payer, how about a public option that functions? Or just out law pre=existing conditions |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:59 AM |
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Oh? How many Senators and Reps do we have? And, don't we have the White House? |
pattmarty |
Nov-08-09 03:19 PM |
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We'll never know, will we? |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-08-09 04:31 PM |
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How do you know since nobody voted on it? It was not on the table. |
Duende azul |
Nov-08-09 06:00 PM |
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That depends on who Congress cared more about |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-08-09 06:40 PM |
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+1 nt |
Lorien |
Nov-08-09 11:15 PM |
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In this health care ... they are cementing corporate "for profit" health care industry in place!! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:29 AM |
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Link? Americans overwhelmingly support the idea of single payer when they |
Lorien |
Nov-08-09 11:12 PM |
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The "votes" are in the population . . . which the Democrats damn well know -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:18 AM |
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that inconvenient fact is always omitted. |
dionysus |
Nov-09-09 02:31 PM |
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If that happens |
FlyingSquirrel |
Nov-08-09 11:30 AM |
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But Obama PROMISED to revisit NAFTA |
placton |
Nov-08-09 04:57 PM |
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I'm sure he meant to when he said it. but then, there was finding the right dog, |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-09-09 01:40 PM |
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And, that's the "truth" behind your comment. "If" we can hold onto both Houses.......... |
pattmarty |
Nov-08-09 03:17 PM |
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They will be, because we'll just stay home. |
FlyingSquirrel |
Nov-08-09 06:29 PM |
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Yep. And, Nader was right more times than not. Unlike a lot here........... |
pattmarty |
Nov-08-09 08:19 PM |
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Agree . . . what the Democrats have always liked least about Nader is his telling TRUTH . . . |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:31 AM |
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In the macro aspect, he was clearly right |
tavalon |
Nov-08-09 10:38 PM |
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If he wasn't right in 2000, he certainly IS right now. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-09-09 10:38 AM |
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The tea baggers will eventually die off. I don't see a whole lot of young voter enthusiasm for them. |
CTyankee |
Nov-09-09 09:11 AM |
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It's health care loan sharking is what it is. It's a short term fix and a long term nightmare. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:09 AM |
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It provides a foundation that can be remedied. We didn't have the votes for the ideal bill |
still_one |
Nov-08-09 11:18 AM |
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Like NAFTA? You are dreaming my friend. It institututionalizes the |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:24 AM |
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This isn't like NAFTA in my view, because it doesn't involve international treaties |
still_one |
Nov-08-09 11:26 AM |
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That never stopped us before. What stops us is the powers that be aren't going to change NAFTA |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:38 AM |
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You may be right, but it is all we have now, and that is what we have to work with |
still_one |
Nov-08-09 11:43 AM |
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Why do you suppose this is what you have? It's all you were ever going to be allowed to get, my |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 12:24 PM |
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You are naive my friend. |
pattmarty |
Nov-08-09 03:26 PM |
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If we didn't have the votes for the IDEAL bill, then we sure as hell aren't going to have them |
bertman |
Nov-08-09 06:16 PM |
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It's a foundation built on corporate cartels. . . . which we're supposed to be knocking over . .. !! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:38 AM |
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The nightmare is that the backlash will reward |
ThoughtCriminal |
Nov-08-09 11:10 AM |
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The backlash will put Congress back in the control of the repukes. Way |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-09-09 09:48 AM |
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and when would we get those votes for the points you mention? Not today we won't |
still_one |
Nov-08-09 11:17 AM |
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A loan shark loan saves lives, Bombing Saddam saved lives. But at what cost? |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:32 AM |
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Back in the day when Soc. Security and Medicare came about |
truedelphi |
Nov-08-09 05:14 PM |
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And while we're discussing incremental improvements |
juno jones |
Nov-08-09 07:05 PM |
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The only silver lining that came about with this bill is that |
truedelphi |
Nov-09-09 01:38 AM |
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I got it from Nadinbrezinski |
juno jones |
Nov-09-09 09:02 AM |
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"warp the fabric of our democracy" |
Enthusiast |
Nov-09-09 06:20 AM |
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Last year, during the height of election fever, a caller into C Span |
truedelphi |
Nov-09-09 02:29 PM |
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I'm not so sure about our current |
Enthusiast |
Nov-09-09 03:10 PM |
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Toast accepted. Bottoms up. |
truedelphi |
Nov-09-09 04:59 PM |
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I know what you mean. nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-10-09 03:43 AM |
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Another good point by truedelphi. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-09-09 06:16 AM |
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It's the right's fault. They are the ones defending the industry. |
Joanne98 |
Nov-08-09 11:34 AM |
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Right, like Tom Daschle. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:39 AM |
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Daschle is no longer an elected representatives. The only power we have is over who we |
still_one |
Nov-08-09 11:45 AM |
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We elected Daschle's close friend. Obama wanted him to run HHS. You know the |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 12:28 PM |
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I know /nt |
still_one |
Nov-08-09 08:47 PM |
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I have not followed this part of things. Who is the friend and |
truedelphi |
Nov-10-09 02:27 PM |
#147 |
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I'm willing to go to jail to oppose fascism |
optimator |
Nov-08-09 12:04 PM |
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Your Health Care Plan Just Got Taxed |
atomicweeder |
Nov-08-09 02:59 PM |
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There won't be a backlash, because everybody will swallow it... |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-08-09 04:16 PM |
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Yes, the public will swallow it UNTIL they get hammered with the skyrocketing premiums which this.. |
Faryn Balyncd |
Nov-08-09 09:04 PM |
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And when that happens, what will the people do? |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-09-09 05:22 PM |
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Many, many of us are doubting him now. |
emilyg |
Nov-08-09 09:50 PM |
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Forget Doubting. |
StreetKnowledge |
Nov-08-09 11:47 PM |
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Many in the leftwing blogosphere. It doesn't represent the majority of voters. |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-09-09 05:23 PM |
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I DOUBT his word! Too bad more don't. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-09-09 10:46 AM |
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And as a Kick in the Teeth, Throw in Blatantly Uncostitutional Language |
Demeter |
Nov-08-09 04:18 PM |
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Yes is it not funny how many here have overlooked the worst aspect of this |
truedelphi |
Nov-08-09 05:12 PM |
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Health Care "reform", bank "reform", welfare "reform", credit "reform", bankruptcy "reform", |
Greyhound |
Nov-08-09 11:54 PM |
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Do ya think? |
truedelphi |
Nov-09-09 01:40 AM |
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Don't forget Social Security 'reform'. They haven't. Next up! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-09-09 10:48 AM |
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It's patriarchal, religious, and corporate-friendly . . . but not MEDICARE FOR ALL . . . |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:40 AM |
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nexr year and in '12, I will turn out for sure |
placton |
Nov-08-09 04:55 PM |
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knr! Thanks! And it's only going to get worse in the Senate.... |
nightrain |
Nov-08-09 06:09 PM |
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Bam! Home run post. Well said. |
Piewhacket |
Nov-08-09 06:21 PM |
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Rec. It makes me very sad that I have to admit that you are right, FarynBalanced. |
bertman |
Nov-08-09 06:34 PM |
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The odds? the odds are heavily against us |
Lorien |
Nov-08-09 11:22 PM |
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Very depressing, isn't it??? |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-09-09 12:38 AM |
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"REAL reform of the Financial Industries" will never happen. Just as |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-09-09 09:07 AM |
#98 |
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Let's not be naive: |
Vattel |
Nov-08-09 06:50 PM |
#46 |
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I think you are right. |
Faryn Balyncd |
Nov-08-09 07:08 PM |
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Lyndon Johnson got Medicare thru...He was very shrewd, if not popular. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-09-09 12:37 AM |
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Personally, I don't think we're blasting Congress sufficiently yet -- let's get at it !!!! MORE!!!! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:42 AM |
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To democratic politicians reading this ... |
zoff |
Nov-08-09 08:18 PM |
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My guess is it doesn't really bother them. |
Amonester |
Nov-09-09 12:13 AM |
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It's clear that it really doesn't bother them. nt |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-09-09 10:51 AM |
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It's clear we're not doing enough . . . who's in the streets??? Teabaggers not Dems . . . |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:44 AM |
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K&R |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-08-09 09:34 PM |
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That and a high unemployment rate due to a "puny" stimulus plan ought to do it! |
Better Believe It |
Nov-08-09 11:07 PM |
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K&R |
G_j |
Nov-08-09 11:09 PM |
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k*r First rate, truly n/t |
autorank |
Nov-08-09 11:17 PM |
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this whole thing certainly has me thinking |
liberal_at_heart |
Nov-08-09 11:27 PM |
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You might have something here. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-09-09 06:31 AM |
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Stir, bake, allow to rise . nm |
Richard Steele |
Nov-08-09 11:42 PM |
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Excellent analysis. If things continue like this, we will definitely lose the midterm elections. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-09-09 12:36 AM |
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If the unemployment situation doesn't improve by next November, the |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-09-09 12:49 AM |
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We need Democrats to work on jobs and trade protection for American jobs . . . |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:45 AM |
#125 |
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The repuke who "represents" my district is |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-09-09 02:35 PM |
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Don't know where you are, but we had an article in the town paper the other day . . . |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 04:35 PM |
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I'm in a repuke-leaning county in Southern Cal just north of |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-09-09 07:42 PM |
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And most of all, don't use the library!!! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 09:24 PM |
#144 |
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Well Said - The Stupefaction Of America Continues |
ProleNoMore |
Nov-09-09 12:39 AM |
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"Individual Mandate" = Fascism |
New Dawn |
Nov-09-09 12:45 AM |
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If anything is going to piss people off, that will. The Dems are |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-09-09 01:01 AM |
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Don't worry, the M$M will frame it as |
Enthusiast |
Nov-09-09 06:34 AM |
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"Corporate Communism" |
KansDem |
Nov-09-09 12:17 PM |
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I'm glad to see this piece |
newspeak |
Nov-09-09 05:03 PM |
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Interesting... |
KansDem |
Nov-11-09 11:46 AM |
#148 |
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But hey, it's a "win"!! |
d_b |
Nov-09-09 01:27 AM |
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and party hacks can't stand it when Kucinich's convictions is |
cyclezealot |
Nov-09-09 01:32 AM |
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Watch . . . the DLC will be targeting Kucinich and Grayson . . . as they'd targeted Nader . . . |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:45 AM |
#126 |
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k i c k |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 11:47 AM |
#127 |
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Thank you so much for this Posting |
Techn0Girl |
Nov-09-09 01:37 AM |
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Excellent OP! |
earth mom |
Nov-09-09 02:59 AM |
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Ah yes, certainly an "advance" for our cause as I've seen some say |
AllyCat |
Nov-09-09 07:37 AM |
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Heh |
varelse |
Nov-09-09 07:56 AM |
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Exactly! Forced to pay for mandated health insurance, else risk taxes/fines/penalties from the IRS. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-09-09 10:59 AM |
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This is the NAFTA of the Obama administration |
quark219 |
Nov-09-09 07:58 AM |
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+1 |
Individualist |
Nov-09-09 11:50 AM |
#128 |
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Considering our flawed democratic process, maybe it's the best Obama could do. |
cyclezealot |
Nov-09-09 10:17 AM |
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Democrats are fooling themselves .. . they'll be put out of office . . .meanwhile .. . |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 10:44 AM |
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Really fantastic post . . . thank you!! |
defendandprotect |
Nov-09-09 10:47 AM |
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+1 nt |
Last Stand |
Nov-09-09 01:23 PM |
#130 |
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Thus ensuring the 'game' of the '2' party system continues! |
Echo In Light |
Nov-09-09 10:48 AM |
#110 |
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K&R n/t |
Eyerish |
Nov-09-09 10:53 AM |
#113 |
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I take issue with one thing. It's not a bailout. |
Dr.Phool |
Nov-09-09 04:01 PM |
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Kick |
Geek_Girl |
Nov-09-09 05:05 PM |
#140 |
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kick |
inna |
Nov-11-09 02:04 PM |
#149 |
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K&R - Because the truth is lighter than shit. And it tastes better too! |
Sunnyshine |
Nov-11-09 03:43 PM |
#150 |
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